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Post by sader1970 on Jun 6, 2021 5:42:54 GMT -5
Stop this nonsense, please. Paul was not doing an imitation of unemotional Mr. Spock. Paul has been making this personal with Fauci. Yes, one can disagree and ask penetrating questions without attacking the person. Disagree agreeably.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 6, 2021 5:50:46 GMT -5
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Post by mm67 on Jun 6, 2021 6:52:09 GMT -5
The critics of Dr. Fauci are merely engaging in right wing political invective masquerading as scientific critiques. They are attempting to divert and deflect criticisms of the past DC leadership for its gross incompetence (which cost thousands of lives) and instead they are trying to shift blame to Dr. Fauci & others. (There are indeed valid questions about the role of the dictatorship in China not to cast blame for a narrow particular purpose but to find the source of this pandemic so that scientists/MDs will be able to effectively confront & limit future pandemics.) These political frat boys are not interested in finding the source of the virus for the scientific purpose of saving lives but they are critiquing for political reasons to protect one delusional individual and promote his fringe delusional followers. The current torrent of criticisms from the Far Right follows a pattern established long before Dr. Fauci took a preeminent place in the public eye. Last year some & one person in particular went so far as to claim Covid was no more serious than the common flu. The flu hypothesis was widely understood to be a vital part of the effort to defend our government's leader rfor his failed response. They were flat out wrong. Covid is not the flu. It is a more serious disease. Yet even when it became obvious that they did not know what they were talking about they continued with their foolish nonsense. They continue to this very day. In DC Rand Paul is another exemplar of this type of foolish behavior. Of course he was exposed as an ignorant fool in his sparring with Dr. Fauci. It has now become personal for the emotionally unbalanced Paul. Had to get this off my chest. I will cease & desist. I suggest others do the same.
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Post by td128 on Jun 6, 2021 7:23:27 GMT -5
I’ve stated it previously and welcome doing so again and with all due respect, there are some comments here that truly provide exceptional comic entertainment.
Let’s get to the full and unbridled truth and then we might be able to pass judgment on a host of topics and individuals.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Jun 6, 2021 13:06:48 GMT -5
I’ve stated it previously and welcome doing so again and with all due respect, there are some comments here that truly provide exceptional comic entertainment. Let’s get to the full and unbridled truth and then we might be able to pass judgment on a host of topics and individuals. With all due respect, to which ones are you referring? Regarding the origin of Covid, I doubt that there ever will be a definitive answer but certainly support efforts to try and find out.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 6, 2021 15:57:53 GMT -5
For me the question is not about the "origin of Covid", it is whether the Lab in Wuhan played any role in the spread of the virus. If Covid originated elsewhere, was studied at the lab, and then got loose by accident, that does not absolve the Lab. Typhoid Mary did not create typhoid fever, but she played a key role in spreading it. She was guilty. I believe the Wuhan Lab is guilty--it only makes sense logic-wise--and I oppose attempts to create a distracting narrative.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Jun 6, 2021 17:05:08 GMT -5
You're splitting hairs. Fine, did the lab create the virus or play any role in its spread. And I'm certain that your opposition to creating distracting narratives is universally applied.
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Post by hcpride on Jun 6, 2021 18:05:04 GMT -5
For me the question is not about the "origin of Covid", it is whether the Lab in Wuhan played any role in the spread of the virus. If Covid originated elsewhere, was studied at the lab, and then got loose by accident, that does not absolve the Lab. Typhoid Mary did not create typhoid fever, but she played a key role in spreading it. She was guilty. I believe the Wuhan Lab is guilty--it only makes sense logic-wise--and I oppose attempts to create a distracting narrative. Good point. The question is natural crossover or Wuhan lab leak. Other distractors have been recently employed to give cover for the year-long embrace of the natural crossover theory by many scientists and journos. In addition to TDS, a few have unavailingly floated distractors including bio-weapons and ‘gain of function’ to explain their spirited embrace of the natural crossover theory.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 6, 2021 18:22:37 GMT -5
a.) Fauci is Italian
b.) The first confirmed infections of COVID-19 are from Italy, months before infections are reported in China.
c.) In December 2020, the President's Chief of Staff asked the Justice Department to investigate reports that the Italian military had taken control of voting machines in the U.S., and flipped votes for Trump into votes for Biden, stealing the election.
a.), b.), and c.) are true statements. . Connect the dots. If it weren't for the Italians, POTUS45 would have won in a landslide.
I await the replies of those who took logic at HC.
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 6, 2021 18:25:16 GMT -5
The title of this thread is "Honoring Dr. Fauci." May I suggest that after perhaps hundreds of posts and pages of comments that the original premise of this thread has been accomplished (or not but everyone has had a chance to put his/her oar in the water) and multiple posts are political or quasi-political in nature and perhaps it is time to lock this thread from further discussion? Final comment: threads like these are one reason I take periodic sabbaticals from Crossports (and maybe time for another). P.S. Fauci is not Italian anymore than I am Irish. He is of Italian ancestry. But I do sometimes consider applying for Irish citizenship based on my grandparents.
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Post by Chu Chu on Jun 6, 2021 18:29:49 GMT -5
Chu, how do you know all of that? I have followed Dr Fauci's carrier for a long time (pre-COVID-19). As a physician, I have also paid close attention to the COVID-19 epidemic, and the research into SARS-CoV-2 mitigation and treatment. A telling example of Fauci's character is the experience he had during the AIDS crisis, When confronted by Larry Cramer and other "Act Up" activists who felt that the NIH was slow walking research on the AIDS virus, he went out of his way to meet with them and understand what they were dealing with. He then publicly acknowledged that he had been convinced of their concerns and led NIH to go all out on the research to ascertain better treatment. His most bitter critics became convinced of his humanity and ethics. In my opinion, he is a wonderful example of a man for others.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 6, 2021 21:30:03 GMT -5
Before the thread is locked let me re-state I am in favor of the Anthony S. Fauci School of Public Health at the College of the Holy Cross, issuing the MPH degree, as an appropriate way of honoring Dr. Fauci ... as well as using his good will in many quarters to help raise a ton of money to build it and moving HC into graduate studies, which I think will enhance Holy Cross.
As long as Dr. Fauci approves of course. His reputation is global and it can't hurt Holy Cross to reinforce the relationship.
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Post by mm67 on Jun 7, 2021 6:21:48 GMT -5
a.) Fauci is Italian b.) The first confirmed infections of COVID-19 are from Italy, months before infections are reported in China. c.) In December 2020, the President's Chief of Staff asked the Justice Department to investigate reports that the Italian military had taken control of voting machines in the U.S., and flipped votes for Trump into votes for Biden, stealing the election. a.), b.), and c.) are true statements. . Connect the dots. If it weren't for the Italians, POTUS45 would have won in a landslide. I await the replies of those who took logic at HC. Italy Gate: The danger of delusional logic...Thank you.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 7, 2021 7:03:39 GMT -5
IIRC I took 12 credit hours of philosophy at HC. In retrospect, probably the courses that I found most useful in life. My attempt at a syllogism was to illustrate a NON SEQUITUR..
And sader1970 is correct, I should have posited that Fauci is of Italian descent. I don't know whether he retains any fluency in Latin. In the era of Bunny Busam, pre-meds were essentially on two tracks: the A.B. Classics majors like Fauci (who invariably came from Jesuit high schools), and everyone else. And as Fauci has himself said, he wound up at Holy Cross (which he characterized as having one of the very top pre-,med programs in the country) because Regis HS wouldn't write recommendations for HYP, or any non-Catholic institution.
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Post by mm67 on Jun 7, 2021 7:25:13 GMT -5
Actually, I was admitted to the AB Pre-Med program early admission. It was one of the factors which lured me to HlC away from other choices. Quite a few of my HC classmates turned down IVY league schools and the like to attend HC which was considered the finest Catholic College in America (Georgetown & ND were Universities on a high level also)Indeed,HC's pre-med program was one of the preeminent Pre-Med programs in the US. Left the program to pursue other interests. Oh & I was not from a Jesuit HS. Our HS Honors Program was first rate with many going to topflight colleges - MIT(3), West Point(2), Naval Academy(1), Harvard(1), Yale(1), Princeton(1), RPI(1), Cornell(3/4), ND(2), Georgetown(2), HC(7/8) and some other Catholic colleges & universities. I'm pretty sure that my honors class was replicated at many other fine Catholic high schools at that time. Interesting to me that 2 classmates went to BC ( 1as an act of defiance against his HC Grad father), 1 to Villanova both of which were considered sports oriented safety schools on a lower academic level. My, how times have changed. Could not have imagined it. And, Dr. Fauci is a great man.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Jun 7, 2021 8:16:44 GMT -5
a.) Fauci is Italian b.) The first confirmed infections of COVID-19 are from Italy, months before infections are reported in China. c.) In December 2020, the President's Chief of Staff asked the Justice Department to investigate reports that the Italian military had taken control of voting machines in the U.S., and flipped votes for Trump into votes for Biden, stealing the election. a.), b.), and c.) are true statements. . Connect the dots. If it weren't for the Italians, POTUS45 would have won in a landslide. I await the replies of those who took logic at HC. This is easy. The Italian army, under the command of Dr. Fauci, is going to invade the US.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 7, 2021 11:47:01 GMT -5
Actually, I was admitted to the AB Pre-Med program early admission. It was one of the factors which lured me to HlC away from other choices. Quite a few of my HC classmates turned down IVY league schools and the like to attend HC which was considered the finest Catholic College in America (Georgetown & ND were Universities on a high level also)Indeed,HC's pre-med program was one of the preeminent Pre-Med programs in the US. Left the program to pursue other interests. Oh & I was not from a Jesuit HS. Our HS Honors Program was first rate with many going to topflight colleges - MIT(3), West Point(2), Naval Academy(1), Harvard(1), Yale(1), Princeton(1), RPI(1), Cornell(3/4), ND(2), Georgetown(2), HC(7/8) and some other Catholic colleges & universities. I'm pretty sure that my honors class was replicated at many other fine Catholic high schools at that time. Interesting to me that 2 classmates went to BC ( 1as an act of defiance against his HC Grad father), 1 to Villanova both of which were considered sports oriented safety schools on a lower academic level. My, how times have changed. Could not have imagined it. And, Dr. Fauci is a great man. Fauci has said Fr. Busam wanted him to go to Harvard Medical School, but he chose Cornell Medical because he worked construction there one summer. One of his Regis and HC classmates and center on the Regis basketball team went to Harvard Med. I have heard that Fauci's HC class sent four or five graduates to Harvard Med, which, if true, is a phenomenal number.
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 7, 2021 11:57:00 GMT -5
I used to have, but long since threw out, some list of rankings of pre-med programs (not sure by whom but thought some reliable & relevant group like the AMA) when I was at HC. My pretty strong recollection was that HC was ranked like #2 or #3 in the country. While I wasn't pre-med, 3 in my group were. 2 ended up doctors and one passed away a few years after doing his 2 years in the Peace Corps but had dropped out of pre-med before graduation.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 7, 2021 12:23:20 GMT -5
Actually, I was admitted to the AB Pre-Med program early admission. It was one of the factors which lured me to HlC away from other choices. Quite a few of my HC classmates turned down IVY league schools and the like to attend HC which was considered the finest Catholic College in America (Georgetown & ND were Universities on a high level also)Indeed,HC's pre-med program was one of the preeminent Pre-Med programs in the US. Left the program to pursue other interests. Oh & I was not from a Jesuit HS. Our HS Honors Program was first rate with many going to topflight colleges - MIT(3), West Point(2), Naval Academy(1), Harvard(1), Yale(1), Princeton(1), RPI(1), Cornell(3/4), ND(2), Georgetown(2), HC(7/8) and some other Catholic colleges & universities. I'm pretty sure that my honors class was replicated at many other fine Catholic high schools at that time. Interesting to me that 2 classmates went to BC ( 1as an act of defiance against his HC Grad father), 1 to Villanova both of which were considered sports oriented safety schools on a lower academic level. My, how times have changed. Could not have imagined it. And, Dr. Fauci is a great man. Pin point memory from 1963 your high school graduation year. Now, what did you have for breakfast today?😋
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Post by mm67 on Jun 7, 2021 13:38:14 GMT -5
Actually, I was admitted to the AB Pre-Med program early admission. It was one of the factors which lured me to HlC away from other choices. Quite a few of my HC classmates turned down IVY league schools and the like to attend HC which was considered the finest Catholic College in America (Georgetown & ND were Universities on a high level also)Indeed,HC's pre-med program was one of the preeminent Pre-Med programs in the US. Left the program to pursue other interests. Oh & I was not from a Jesuit HS. Our HS Honors Program was first rate with many going to topflight colleges - MIT(3), West Point(2), Naval Academy(1), Harvard(1), Yale(1), Princeton(1), RPI(1), Cornell(3/4), ND(2), Georgetown(2), HC(7/8) and some other Catholic colleges & universities. I'm pretty sure that my honors class was replicated at many other fine Catholic high schools at that time. Interesting to me that 2 classmates went to BC ( 1as an act of defiance against his HC Grad father), 1 to Villanova both of which were considered sports oriented safety schools on a lower academic level. My, how times have changed. Could not have imagined it. And, Dr. Fauci is a great man. Fauci has said Fr. Busam wanted him to go to Harvard Medical School, but he chose Cornell Medical because he worked construction there one summer. One of his Regis and HC classmates and center on the Regis basketball team went to Harvard Med. I have heard that Fauci's HC class sent four or five graduates to Harvard Med, which, if true, is a phenomenal number. I have no doubt tis is true. I believe 96%+ were accepted to Med school. HC's Pre Med was a a jewel, ver special, indeed.
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Post by mm67 on Jun 7, 2021 13:52:41 GMT -5
Actually, I was admitted to the AB Pre-Med program early admission. It was one of the factors which lured me to HlC away from other choices. Quite a few of my HC classmates turned down IVY league schools and the like to attend HC which was considered the finest Catholic College in America (Georgetown & ND were Universities on a high level also)Indeed,HC's pre-med program was one of the preeminent Pre-Med programs in the US. Left the program to pursue other interests. Oh & I was not from a Jesuit HS. Our HS Honors Program was first rate with many going to topflight colleges - MIT(3), West Point(2), Naval Academy(1), Harvard(1), Yale(1), Princeton(1), RPI(1), Cornell(3/4), ND(2), Georgetown(2), HC(7/8) and some other Catholic colleges & universities. I'm pretty sure that my honors class was replicated at many other fine Catholic high schools at that time. Interesting to me that 2 classmates went to BC ( 1as an act of defiance against his HC Grad father), 1 to Villanova both of which were considered sports oriented safety schools on a lower academic level. My, how times have changed. Could not have imagined it. And, Dr. Fauci is a great man. Pin point memory from 1963 your high school graduation year. Now, what did you have for breakfast today?😋 Brother(?) HCAlum, As usual you are so correct .Shoot, I say the same thing quite often. Short term memory sucks. I rhapsodize in memories of long ago(myths?) Eyes & writing skills are degenerating but will keep at it.Thanks for your response. mm67
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 7, 2021 14:18:23 GMT -5
Pin point memory from 1963 your high school graduation year. Now, what did you have for breakfast today?😋 Brother(?) HCAlum, As usual you are so correct .Shoot, I say the same thing quite often. Short term memory sucks. I rhapsodize in memories of long ago(myths?) Eyes & writing skills are degenerating but will keep at it.Thanks for your response. mm67 Yes, a brother alum. Coincidentally Biogen shares are up 40% today because the FDA approved their drug to treat Alzheimer's, the first new treatment approved in 18 years. That put some pep in my step. I could name many more players on the 1967 Red Sox than the 2001 edition, so any help on the horizon is welcome news.🙂
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Post by alum on Jun 11, 2021 13:34:51 GMT -5
So, it turns out that the stories about Dr. Fauci writing a book were a bit inaccurate. www.nytimes.com/live/2020/2020-election-misinformation-distortions?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage#anthony-fauci-book-proceedsIn the past few days, after the listing for a coming book by Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, the Biden administration’s top adviser on Covid-19, was taken down from Amazon’s and Barnes & Noble’s websites, right-wing outlets and social media commentators spread the rumor that the it had been removed because of public backlash to the idea of Dr. Fauci’s “profiteering” from the pandemic.
In truth, Dr. Fauci is not making any money from the book, which is about lessons he has learned during his decades in public service, and the listing was pulled for a simple reason: the publisher had posted it too early.
Dr. Fauci “will not earn any royalties from its publication and was not paid” for the book, “Expect the Unexpected,” said Ann Day, a spokeswoman for National Geographic Books, its publisher. She said Dr. Fauci also would not earn anything for a related documentary. (Dr. Fauci did not respond to a request for comment.)
The book, which compiles interviews and speeches given by Dr. Fauci during his 37 years as the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, was taken off the websites because “it was prematurely posted for presale,” Ms. Day said. She added that proceeds would “go back to the National Geographic Society to fund work in the areas of science, exploration, conservation and education and to reinvest in content.”
In a statement, the national institute noted that the book had not been written by Dr. Fauci himself. The institute also confirmed that he would not earn any royalties from its publication.
The falsehood about the book and Dr. Fauci spread widely online. On May 31, the right-wing outlet The Daily Caller published an article about the book’s appearing for presale online. Some conservative Republicans, including Representatives Andy Biggs of Arizona and Dan Bishop of North Carolina, seized on the article and claimed without evidence that Dr. Fauci would be profiting from the book.
“His lockdown mandates destroyed livelihoods and threatened our children’s futures,” Mr. Bishop posted on Twitter on June 1. “Now he’ll be profiting nicely off it.” The post was liked and shared more than 2,700 times.
That same day, Newsweek and Fox News published articles highlighting the “backlash” that Dr. Fauci faced from right-wing commentators “for profiting from pandemic” after the announcement of his book. The articles did not mention that he would not make money from the book. They reached as many as 20.1 million people on Facebook, according to data from CrowdTangle, a social media analytics tool owned by the social network.
On June 2, a conservative outlet, Just the News, posted an article asserting that Dr. Fauci’s book had been “scrubbed” from Amazon and Barnes & Noble because of the backlash. The founder of the site, John Solomon — a Washington media personality who was instrumental in pushing falsehoods about the Bidens and Ukraine — tweeted the misleading article. So did the pro-Trump activist Jack Posobiec, who once promoted the false Pizzagate conspiracy.
“Books are removed from bn.com from time to time if the details are loaded incorrectly,” a Barnes & Noble spokeswoman said in a statement to The Times. “This book was not removed proactively by Barnes & Noble. We expect it will be available again shortly for purchase as soon as the publisher decides to list it.” Amazon did not comment.
Some articles on June 2, including on Fox News and The Daily Mail, included similar comments from National Geographic Books. But many outlets on the far right continued to push the version of events that the book had been “scrubbed” from online listings because of the backlash, without the updated information. The articles collected more than 32,000 likes and shares on Facebook and reached as many as six million people on Facebook, according to CrowdTangle data.
Days later, people like the Fox News host Sean Hannity and Representative Ronny Jackson, a Republican from Texas and former President Donald J. Trump’s onetime doctor, continued to push the false idea on Twitter.
“Anthony Fauci is set to make a fortune on his upcoming book; meanwhile our country continues to SUFFER from his ENDLESS non-scientific policies,” Mr. Jackson said on Twitter. His post collected nearly 4,000 likes, comments and shares.
The damn NYT didn't even acknowledge that the story had been spread on a sports message board for a college that could have joined the Big East.
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Post by lou on Jun 21, 2021 22:16:12 GMT -5
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