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Post by Crosser on Mar 24, 2020 21:15:03 GMT -5
How much can we spend on our bench?
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Post by hchoops on Mar 24, 2020 21:33:18 GMT -5
Without the ability to go off the board, I'm really having a tough time getting a center that fits in the budget, so we'll play a little bit like the Warriors and play pseudo positionless. I'm also going off reputation since Jave, Torey, Keith and Malcolm are the only ones I've seen play, so I'm not sure how accurate my analysis is and how the pieces fit together. Cousy, Potter, Vicens, Hamilton, Simmons. Cousy to handle and facilitate on offence. Vicens to attack the rim and be a general nuisance. Keith to stretch the defense and get to the rim when he's closed out on. Kevin for the perimeter defense, secondary ball handling, and the occasional three. Potter to do a little of everything: score in the paint, rebound, distribute from the post to cutters/start the break, and be a pest on defense when we press. I like this team's chances to attack in a variety of ways, rebound very well, and play some great perimeter defense. If I had the three point line and could go off the list, I'd swap Keith or Kevin for Tim Clifford for the rim protection, to let Chris Potter play as more of a PF, and to let Tim pull the opposing center away form the basket occasionally to open up slashing lanes. Pretty short team Would get killed on the boards, esp by Heinsohn or Togo( has anyone picked him ?)
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Post by hchoops on Mar 24, 2020 21:34:25 GMT -5
How much can we spend on our bench? $.50-$.75
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Post by HC16 on Mar 24, 2020 21:45:04 GMT -5
Gene Doyle is $2 , perhaps one of the biggest bargains in fantasy sports history. If you want to defy the commissioner and go off the list there's Josh Sankes--check out his rebounding and rim protection stats at goholycross.com. I do like your narrative This is one of those cases where my age has me at a disadvantage. I saw Gene Doyle's stats and listed height and assumed he was a power forward. I defer to you as someone who saw him play, but I'm not familiar with his game. As for Sankes, I (very) vaguely remember him as a player and am familiar with his reputation as a terrific rebounder, shot blocker and an absolute beast in the low post. I suspect he would be very tough for most players on this list to guard simply due to his size, strength and toughness. I would chose Clifford over Sankes due to his ability to occasionally hit a three, as well his very good free throw shooting, while still providing a similar ability to protect the rim and score in the paint. Clifford would force defenders to at least respect him out to the arc and opens up the lane for cuts and drives compared to Sankes. I feel like with Sankes you almost have to build the offence to let him post up and I hate post ups as a core component of an offence. It's a good tool to have, but it's too inefficient to be the focal point of an offense. Both are excellent players though.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 24, 2020 22:01:50 GMT -5
Sorry that I thought there were 25 better all around players than Tim or Josh
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Post by HC16 on Mar 24, 2020 22:05:20 GMT -5
Pretty short team Would get killed on the boards, esp by Heinsohn or Togo( has anyone picked him ?) Togo only checks in at 6-4, everyone but Cousy is 6-4 or taller. I'm also assuming based on his stats as well as reports of toughness and leaping ability, that Vicens was at least a decent rebounder. I know Keith and Kevin were very good rebounders for their size. Cousy isn't exactly a stiff on the glass either. Potter's stats lead me to believe he was a very good rebounder. Based on his college stats and having attended one of his clinics, I know how good a rebounder Togo was, but rebounding is mostly a team skill and I like my chances to contain him. Heinsohn I'm less sure of, but (again based on stats and stories) I think with Potter would prevent me from getting killed. Teams shot much worse in the 50's (percentage wise) as far as I can tell, so I'm assuming Togo and Heinsohn's rebounding stats are a bit inflated. I defer to those who saw them though. I can only go off stats and stories. It's definitely small ball though, which is why I wanted to go off the board for a center. Heinsohn and Togo didn't fit within budget when I took Cousy and Potter (my 2 locks).
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Post by HC16 on Mar 24, 2020 22:06:02 GMT -5
Sorry that I thought there were 25 better all around players than Tim or Josh I mostly wanted them for team fit as opposed to saying they were top 25 players.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 24, 2020 23:04:06 GMT -5
Pretty short team Would get killed on the boards, esp by Heinsohn or Togo( has anyone picked him ?) Togo only checks in at 6-4, everyone but Cousy is 6-4 or taller. I'm also assuming based on his stats as well as reports of toughness and leaping ability, that Vicens was at least a decent rebounder. I know Keith and Kevin were very good rebounders for their size. Cousy isn't exactly a stiff on the glass either. Potter's stats lead me to believe he was a very good rebounder. Based on his college stats and having attended one of his clinics, I know how good a rebounder Togo was, but rebounding is mostly a team skill and I like my chances to contain him. Heinsohn I'm less sure of, but (again based on stats and stories) I think with Potter would prevent me from getting killed. Teams shot much worse in the 50's (percentage wise) as far as I can tell, so I'm assuming Togo and Heinsohn's rebounding stats are a bit inflated. I defer to those who saw them though. I can only go off stats and stories. It's definitely small ball though, which is why I wanted to go off the board for a center. Heinsohn and Togo didn't fit within budget when I took Cousy and Potter (my 2 locks). Chris Potter was a great rebounder, leading HC each of his four years on the team in rebounding average. Heinsohn and Togo, of course, are 1-2 in both total career rebounds and rebounds per game. The way the game is today (fewer missed shots to pursue), I don't think anyone will ever approach their records. Sankes is 7th, Schnurr 8th, and Doyle 10th on career rebounds per game. Mike Vicens was a very good rebounder--as he was tenacious in every aspect of the game
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Post by Crosser on Mar 24, 2020 23:39:18 GMT -5
Mead Hamilton Foley Potter Hochstein
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Post by hchoops on Mar 25, 2020 7:44:38 GMT -5
Well, this lineup can certainly score, but undersized Chris and Keith, though both terrific rebounders, will be challenged on the glass , esp facing Tommy or Togo
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Post by alum on Mar 25, 2020 8:08:54 GMT -5
We all get to decide what's most important to us. For my first pick, it is dominance as a Crusader. Therefore, you have to go with Tommy because as a senior he averaged 27 points and 21 rebounds per game on a 22-5 team that made the tournament.
I also like Keith Hochstein who averaged 23.5 and 10.0 rebounds as a senior on a 15-8 team.
I think you have to take Chris Potter who scored 16 ppg with 10 rebounds per game on a tournament qualifying team where he had to share the ball with RP2 and Mike Vincens.
I have three bucks left. I'll take Kevin Hamilton with 17 pts, 6 rebounds and 3.5 assists as a senior and NBA Champion Malcolm Miller whose senior season gave us 14.5 ppg, 4.9 rbg, 1.6 blocks per game who proved to us that sometimes kids get better through hard work and, dare I say it, coaches who figure out how to maximize their talent and who lay the foundation for continued success.
EDIT: If Tommy gets thrown out of the league for yelling at too many refs, I'll pick up Togo to replace him.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 25, 2020 8:31:30 GMT -5
Nice team, esp the front line(we think alike), but with no true point , KH has to go there and MM also out of position as your two guard This is a major weakness
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Post by Tom on Mar 25, 2020 8:38:30 GMT -5
Pretty short team Would get killed on the boards, esp by Heinsohn or Togo( has anyone picked him ?) Based on his college stats and having attended one of his clinics, I know how good a rebounder Togo was, but rebounding is mostly a team skill and I like my chances to contain him. Togo became a rebounder when Sheary told him to think of every missed shot as a pass to him
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 25, 2020 9:11:25 GMT -5
I remember once being at the fieldhouse--probably had just finished a pickup game-- and as I was leaving I saw Togo in an intramural game--he played for the faculty team. I watched for a number of minutes because I noted that Togo, who would have been in his early 40's at the time, literally got every rebound at both ends of the court. Every single rebound--no one could get to the ball or keep it away from him. I know that this was not D-1 basketball but even at 40+ he was a force. Of course we all know he was an unbeatable one-on-one player
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Post by hchoops on Mar 25, 2020 9:23:46 GMT -5
At the showing of Purple Reign at Winter Homecoming Togo’s teammates teased him about his lack of passing. He accepted this with pride
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Post by Crosser on Mar 25, 2020 13:56:11 GMT -5
Well, this lineup can certainly score, but undersized Chris and Keith, though both terrific rebounders, will be challenged on the glass , esp facing Tommy or Togo I’m not sure about that. We remember how Keith and Chris pulled down more than their share of rebounds against taller opponents. Plus, my line-up isn’t putting up many missed shots.🙂. I wanted to have Tommy and Togo on my bench - along with Tory and MV - but I couldn’t afford them.
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Post by alum on Mar 25, 2020 14:09:05 GMT -5
Nice team, esp the front line(we think alike), but with no true point , KH has to go there and MM also out of position as your two guard This is a major weakness Hoops--I'm going to make you the coach so you can figure it out for me, but I have to tell you that this will be like when I coached rec basketball for high school juniors and seniors. They only needed me because the Park and Rec director said it was required and because none of them knew how to keep a scorebook.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 25, 2020 14:46:30 GMT -5
Nice team, esp the front line(we think alike), but with no true point , KH has to go there and MM also out of position as your two guard This is a major weakness Hoops--I'm going to make you the coach so you can figure it out for me, but I have to tell you that this will be like when I coached rec basketball for high school juniors and seniors. They only needed me because the Park and Rec director said it was required and because none of them knew how to keep a scorebook. I will take the job. I coached against Chris(he won) and encouraged him to come to HC.(I, HC and he all won) i knew Keith well as he was one year behind me. I saw Kevin play for fellow coach Jack Curran of Molloy. What do you pay ?
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Post by cardman529 on Mar 25, 2020 18:40:02 GMT -5
Where is all the love for Rob Feaster,anyway I’ll take Hiensohn Potter Feaster Witts T.Thomas
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Post by hchoops on Mar 25, 2020 19:03:10 GMT -5
Where is all the love for Rob Feaster,anyway I’ll take Hiensohn Potter Feaster Witts T.Thomas Nice squad Balanced, no real weakness
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Mar 26, 2020 6:06:17 GMT -5
Ok, you guys can go with your pretty, sexy squads. Here's my 5: Andrew Keister, John O'Connor, Jared Curry, Austin Butler and Torey Thomas. Since I anticipated this exercise a while ago, I reached out to Mike Vicens, and he agreed to be my Player-Coach. He was quite adamant about sticking to the coaching part, unless we got into games with PC, ND.....or BC. He then said he could make no promises. If this team is allowed on the court....just try to make them leave.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 26, 2020 9:16:35 GMT -5
Great post, Dave!!!
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Post by hchoops on Mar 26, 2020 9:30:10 GMT -5
Ok, you guys can go with your pretty, sexy squads. Here's my 5: Andrew Keister, John O'Connor, Jared Curry, Austin Butler and Torey Thomas. Since I anticipated this exercise a while ago, I reached out to Mike Vicens, and he agreed to be my Player-Coach. He was quite adamant about sticking to the coaching part, unless we got into games with PC, ND.....or BC. He then said he could make no promises. If this team is allowed on the court....just try to make them leave. There is always who does not play by the rules.
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