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Post by longsuffering on Apr 4, 2020 15:34:09 GMT -5
My lips formed two words when I first heard the comments, "dog" and "whistle". I haven't kept track of which side uses the tactic more or whether it is a slur, but I think it is a way to communicate clearly that you support Churches, Christianity, Easter and reinforce your bond with voters for whom those are Central parts of their lives and seek reassurance their government supports those values also despite a frightfully changing world.
Well played from a political angle because you reassure one element of the electorate while leaving other factions reluctant to criticize Church, Christianity or Easter like they might if he said he wants the beaches, ballparks and casinos packed shoulder to shoulder on April 12th.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 4, 2020 15:39:38 GMT -5
OK, it is used almost exclusively by the left. It is used as a slur...to describe words that provide a reaction in listeners who support the President (or some "right wing" belief) with no thought on the part of the listener. It comes from folks who see supporters of the President as people ("or dogs") who are easily controlled with simple words or phrases.
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Post by hc2020 on Apr 4, 2020 15:45:21 GMT -5
I don’t think anyone has a clue what’s going to happen next week never mind in September. I think we should all monitor two things: (1) what happens to the MLB season - if they start the season before the end of August (even if there are empty stadiums), the football season (especially the NFL) will have a chance; and (2) what happens with the fall academic term. If colleges don’t open campuses and proceed with virtual classes only, there is no way colleges will be able to proceed with NCAA athletics.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 4, 2020 16:27:27 GMT -5
OK, it is used almost exclusively by the left. It is used as a slur...to describe words that provide a reaction in listeners who support the President (or some "right wing" belief) with no thought on the part of the listener. It comes from folks who see supporters of the President as people ("or dogs") who are easily controlled with simple words or phrases. I just spent time reading different responses to "dog whistle politcal meaning" and you are right it generally means a tactic by the right that is criticized by the left. But the modern usage is traced back to FDR crafting his speeches so Midwestern farmers heard that the government would help them while the unsympathetic East did not hear that. I am a little like Sarasota, while I am Catholic and not aethiest, I think all religion should be apolitical and am uneasy with any government official invoking it, subtly or not.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 4, 2020 16:31:59 GMT -5
OK, it is used almost exclusively by the left. It is used as a slur...to describe words that provide a reaction in listeners who support the President (or some "right wing" belief) with no thought on the part of the listener. It comes from folks who see supporters of the President as people ("or dogs") who are easily controlled with simple words or phrases. I am a little like Sarasota, while I am Catholic and not aethiest, I think all religion should be apolitical and am uneasy with any government official invoking it, subtly or not. I agree (and I am a practicing Catholic who also believes that religion should not get involved in politics or politics in religion).
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Apr 4, 2020 16:36:53 GMT -5
Rgs, Trump has said his base is so loyal that they would support him even if he shot someone on Fifth avenue, indicating that being "easily controlled" is how he views them.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 4, 2020 17:01:06 GMT -5
Did you take that sarcastic and extreme statement (out of context) on his part seriously? I would say he views them as "loyal."
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Post by HC92 on Apr 4, 2020 17:04:14 GMT -5
Pretty sure the PDPD (Politcal Discussion Police Department) will be shutting this down shortly.
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Post by timholycross on Apr 4, 2020 17:14:36 GMT -5
Getting back to the subject, I think we have to delineate between sports that might resume with no audiences, quarantines, neutral site(s); and strict and constant testing.
IMHO college football could never operate under those constraints. Probably not the NFL either unless you were to take the players and coaches and separate them from their families for months.
What do I think will happen? College sports won't resume until around a year from when they stopped. Spring sports will be played and we'll go from there.
I just hope that otherwise the country can get out jail a lot sooner than that.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 4, 2020 17:30:55 GMT -5
I think when we get back to sports all depends on a few things we really don’t know:
1. How many people have contracted or will soon contract the disease with few or no symptoms and will have immunity going forward as a result? 2. Will there be a readily available antibody test to figure out the answer to #1? 3. When will there be enough testing available that we can essentially test everyone and effectively quarantine anyone who has the virus? 4. When will we have approved, effective treatments that can dramatically reduce the severity of the symptoms of the virus once we can identify all who have contracted it? 5. When will we have a vaccine?
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Apr 4, 2020 18:17:20 GMT -5
Getting back to the subject, I think we have to delineate between sports that might resume with no audiences, quarantines, neutral site(s); and strict and constant testing. IMHO college football could never operate under those constraints. Probably not the NFL either unless you were to take the players and coaches and separate them from their families for months. What do I think will happen? College sports won't resume until around a year from when they stopped. Spring sports will be played and we'll go from there. I just hope that otherwise the country can get out jail a lot sooner than that. Agree, unless is some type of medical breakthrough which would at least lessen the deadly effects of the virus. Hope so.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 4, 2020 18:59:00 GMT -5
Still plenty of time to find way to bring football players only back to campus, protect them from virus with prophylactic treatment and isolation, play games in empty stadia before gigantic TV audiences. I’m thinking P5 conferences here.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 4, 2020 19:02:45 GMT -5
Both sides of the political spectrum have expressions which are used as sledgehammers to slam the other. "Dog Whistle" on the Left and "Politically Correct" on the Right. I see no value in pursuing this topic any further. Enough. Best way to shut down a topic is definitely to make another post about it.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 4, 2020 19:08:30 GMT -5
Still plenty of time to find way to bring football players only back to campus, protect them from virus with prophylactic treatment and isolation, play games in empty stadia before gigantic TV audiences. I’m thinking P5 conferences here. Hate the empty stadia idea but that might be the only option. Wonder if teams could only sell every third seat in every third row to spread people out and have at least some fans able to attend. Fitton being as big as it is might finally come in handy for the first time in a long time.
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Post by hchoops on Apr 4, 2020 19:16:04 GMT -5
Unlikely Concessions lines, bathroom lines, etc. would make it not viable
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Post by efg72 on Apr 4, 2020 19:36:53 GMT -5
I think when we get back to sports all depends on a few things we really don’t know: 1. How many people have contracted or will soon contract the disease with few or no symptoms and will have immunity going forward as a result? 2. Will there be a readily available antibody test to figure out the answer to #1? 3. When will there be enough testing available that we can essentially test everyone and effectively quarantine anyone who has the virus? 4. When will we have approved, effective treatments that can dramatically reduce the severity of the symptoms of the virus once we can identify all who have contracted it? 5. When will we have a vaccine? Vaccine is important but if you look at historical efficacy it benefits about 60% short term drug/drug combination will provide greater value
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Post by HC92 on Apr 4, 2020 19:45:08 GMT -5
I think when we get back to sports all depends on a few things we really don’t know: 1. How many people have contracted or will soon contract the disease with few or no symptoms and will have immunity going forward as a result? 2. Will there be a readily available antibody test to figure out the answer to #1? 3. When will there be enough testing available that we can essentially test everyone and effectively quarantine anyone who has the virus? 4. When will we have approved, effective treatments that can dramatically reduce the severity of the symptoms of the virus once we can identify all who have contracted it? 5. When will we have a vaccine? Vaccine is important but if you look at historical efficacy it benefits about 60% short term drug/drug combination will provide greater value How far away do you think we are from an effective drug treatment?
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Post by efg72 on Apr 5, 2020 7:26:03 GMT -5
Vaccine is important but if you look at historical efficacy it benefits about 60% short term drug/drug combination will provide greater value How far away do you think we are from an effective drug treatment? Talked to the leadership at a number of biopharma companies. Testing to repurpose existing drugs, beyond HC and Zithromax, are under way with a couple of clinical trials up an running. My former company Sanofi and Regeneron hope to complete their trial in 3 weeks. the drugs that appear to have the greatest impact actively address inflammation. based on what is happening, and we see an increase in infections and hospitalization, it appears as if their will be a push by the WH to approve one or more options before May. happ to discuss further if you have more specific questions
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 5, 2020 8:07:54 GMT -5
The IHME model as of April 1, has total deaths reaching 93,000 on June 19, and basically straightlining that total through August. (The model was supposed to have an update yesterday, but was not.) This is the primary model used by the White House, but apparently modified by the WH using input from other models.
As Dr. Fauci has said,the coronavirus will still be circulating this fall, but the level of new infections will be low, provided that good practices continue. Avoid the rebound. And as he has said, more than once, there needs to be planning for re-starting economies and societies. I used the plural because Fauci said this a universal precept voiced by the member states of the WHO.
So I am sticking with my prediction that there will be a fall sports season at most colleges and universities, with spectator attendance limited to students residing on campus. I expect that will be true for hoops as well, at least the for first part of the season.
My prediction for the NFL is games played for the TV audience. No league owner or the league itself is willing to incur liability for re-igniting a local / regional outbreak of the virus because the owner wanted to play before a packed stadium. That's a sure route to a liquidating bankruptcy.
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Post by hchoops on Apr 5, 2020 8:15:58 GMT -5
What would be the risk for the 150- 200 minimum people playing, staffing, and broadcasting these pro games.? And certainly the players and staffers would be in consistent close contact with each other the players, very close.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Apr 5, 2020 8:16:39 GMT -5
Dr. Fauci also said on January 21st that Americans didn’t have anything to worry about regarding this virus.
Experts aren't always right. We should listen to them, but not follow them blindly. Remember when WHO (as corrupt as they come, but that's a topic for another day), said the virus wasn't human to human?
A lot of Americans will have to die very quickly in order to reach that 200,000 number the models told us would happen.
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Post by efg72 on Apr 5, 2020 8:33:56 GMT -5
The IHME model as of April 1, has total deaths reaching 93,000 on June 19, and basically straightlining that total through August. (The model was supposed to have an update yesterday, but was not.) This is the primary model used by the White House, but apparently modified by the WH using input from other models. As Dr. Fauci has said,the coronavirus will still be circulating this fall, but the level of new infections will be low, provided that good practices continue. Avoid the rebound. And as he has said, more than once, there needs to be planning for re-starting economies and societies. I used the plural because Fauci said this a universal precept voiced by the member states of the WHO. So I am sticking with my prediction that there will be a fall sports season at most colleges and universities, with spectator attendance limited to students residing on campus. I expect that will be true for hoops as well, at least the for first part of the season. My prediction for the NFL is games played for the TV audience. No league owner or the league itself is willing to incur liability for re-igniting a local / regional outbreak of the virus because the owner wanted to play before a packed stadium. That's a sure route to a liquidating bankruptcy. Yesterday I spoke to Chris Murray , Head of IHME, and the update was coming
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Post by hchoops on Apr 5, 2020 10:07:52 GMT -5
Dr. Fauci also said on January 21st that Americans didn’t have anything to worry about regarding this virus. He did say that then, but he added,”Right Now.” He has been the voice of reason since then.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 5, 2020 10:39:22 GMT -5
Dr. Fauci also said on January 21st that Americans didn’t have anything to worry about regarding this virus. He did say that then, but he added,”Right Now.” He has been the voice of reason since then. I think the problem with this is the same problem with everything in our country. Many are constantly trying to fix blame rather than trying to fix the problem. Jim Acosta asks some variation of the same question every day in the WH briefing. “Mr. President, shouldn’t you have done more, earlier and wouldn’t that have reduced the death toll?” Trump then rails about media bias and talks about how smart he was shutting off travel from China in January. Rinse, repeat. The NY press conferences are better and more informative because they’re mostly about what we’re doing today and what we’re going to do tomorrow. The reporters help by not repeatedly asking questions that start with some variation of: “Looking back, shouldn’t you have done things differently?” Makes no difference and isn’t helpful to solving the problem at hand.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 5, 2020 10:51:11 GMT -5
NY Governor's conference: "I called the President today and told him we need more _______." Rinse, repeat. Every political press conference has that element to it...sadly.
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