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Post by hchoops on Mar 28, 2020 22:03:59 GMT -5
You are correct
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Post by HC92 on Mar 28, 2020 22:16:30 GMT -5
I saw somewhere that Ralph’s first job after getting out of the Army was as a gym teacher at St. Dom’s. He didn’t have an official coaching role as far as I could tell but it’s certainly possible he helped out with the team after school while Ricky was there. |
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Post by dadominate on Mar 29, 2020 9:41:58 GMT -5
Coach Nelson was a big time player, competing at a level that none of the HC coaches or teams have competed in recent years.
He was an assistant at Marquette certainly a program on a higher level than HC has been for 60 years, One could reasonably argue that Coach Nelson is a b-ball "blue blood." Some might say that the coaching position at a high academic school, named Holy Cross might present its own set of peculiar difficulties. AD Blossom has thought outside the box of local/regional b-ball. He has gone big and bold. Hopefully, Coach Nelson will live up to his promise, successfully recruit players to a small very Catholic sounding college and coach the hell out of his guys. I am optimistic. I hope that all from our varied vantage points will give this guy a chance to show his stuff. Perhaps you're speaking to head coaches, but Freddie Owens played in a lot of big-time games at Wisc. definitely. among others, owens hit this huge last second 3 to bring Wisconsin to the sweet 16 after having been down big late in the game. |
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Post by bfoley82 on Mar 30, 2020 1:30:58 GMT -5
Not much correlation between being a very good player at a high level and being a good coach. How's Chris Mullin doing nowadays? Was Mullin a MacDonald's All American in high school? How many times did he play in Final Four? Hpw many times was he the high scorer in college against Duke? His NBA experience is irrelevant. I'm talking COLLEGE. And "all" "every" etc. are words I try to avoid. In fact, I never said there was a "correlation." It wasn't even implied in my post. All I talked about was RECRUITING. Please try to read more carefully. Thanks. Mullin was a much better player than Nelson. Not even a debate! One was an elite player while the other was an elite shooter from the outside. Nelson in college averaged a whopping 11 points a game with 2.1 threes per game and 1.5 free throws. He was a gun that was it when playing with five future NBA players as a junior and four as a senior. |
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Post by sarasota on Mar 30, 2020 2:18:25 GMT -5
This whole Mullin vs. Nelson thing is irrelevant to the point I was trying to make about Nelson and recruiting.
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Post by Tom on Mar 30, 2020 7:30:35 GMT -5
Not much correlation between being a very good player at a high level and being a good coach. How's Chris Mullin doing nowadays? Was Mullin a MacDonald's All American in high school? How many times did he play in Final Four? Hpw many times was he the high scorer in college against Duke? His NBA experience is irrelevant. I'm talking COLLEGE. And "all" "every" etc. are words I try to avoid. In fact, I never said there was a "correlation." It wasn't even implied in my post. All I talked about was RECRUITING. Please try to read more carefully. Thanks. It's kind of relevant. Mullin was a better college player than Coach Nelson. He was the star on a Final Four team vs an important player on a team of stars. Mullin hasn't been crushing it as a college recruiter. Being a two time national champion is a nice tool in the box. It can get a kid's attention at the beginning of a conversation. To be a good recruiter and seal the deal, you need to be a salesman too. Like everyone, I hope Coach Nelson is a great recruiter and his college playing resume can be an asset. But counterexamples prove that being a great college player does not imply that makes you a great recruiter. |
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 30, 2020 7:45:25 GMT -5
You need to be a salesman. Maybe the best selling was done by someone or some group to help Admissions understand the benefits of a broader look at what applicants can add to HC. Thus the Juco signee. Could Blossom, coming from BC, have TPTB's ear on this?
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 30, 2020 7:48:21 GMT -5
He well might have their ear. With the current situation, for the team, the school and the whole country, "change" is something that people may be more willing to consider than in the past.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 30, 2020 7:54:08 GMT -5
Of course, there may be examples of coaches whose resumes as players significantly enhanced their recruiting abilities. Unexamined opinions, absent evidence, aren't particularly persuasive, however.
With respect to Nelson, he's made it clear he is trying to sell recruits on the entire Holy Cross experience - with an emphasis on character, work ethic, academic excellence, and community service - not just basketball. To this end, his personal resume is far less important than the broader, aspirational goals he's set for himself as a recruiter.
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Post by trimster on Mar 30, 2020 8:11:11 GMT -5
It has been my understanding that JUCO schools in California are not the same as in the East. They tend to be on a higher academic level then elsewhere. Columbia had a JUCO football player, Marcus Wiley from California. Columbia has a much higher academic profile than HC. Some of the students were outraged at the school. This new recruit may be a good fit academically with HC. I doubt that there will be a wholesale recruitment of JUCOS with a lowering of academic standards. I would not assume that this marks the beginning of a lowering of our academic standards. I wouldn’t either. Let’s not forget, the kid from Chicago spent most of his high school days at one of Chicago’s elite public schools, Whitney Young, and the kid from CA went to a Jesuit High School in Sacramento. This is also an unusual situation with so many scholarships being available at one time and the staff probably not wanting to overload one class with 6 or 7 scholarship players. Transfers provides a way to accomplish that and the JUCO route offers immediate eligibility. |
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 30, 2020 8:11:21 GMT -5
This new recruit may be a good fit academically with HC. I doubt that there will be a wholesale recruitment of JUCOS with a lowering of academic standards. I would not assume that this marks the beginning of a lowering of our academic standards. I'm assuming Townsel, King and the Canadian kid, Coulibaly (who has supposedly drawn interest from Columbia), are all good academic fits here. The dual opportunities of attending a high-academic school and earning significant playing time right away make us an attractive choice at this late stage, imho. |
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Post by sarasota on Mar 30, 2020 9:00:19 GMT -5
Here is exactly what I said in my post:
" I think these videos of his Florida days could be helpful in recruiting."
That's all. I never said it would make him a "great" recruiter. I never said that it couldn't happen that a great college player becomes a lousy recruiter. Talk about being blown out of proportion. Reading comprehension and logic. Aren't they things that HC graduates are supposed to be good at?
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Post by hchoops on May 30, 2020 10:11:32 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on May 30, 2020 12:24:36 GMT -5
His favorite player is MJ. Understandable. But he was born 28 miles away from "Zeke from Cabin Creek" Jerry West. I assume, but don't know, that Jerry West is aware of Coach Nelson and is rooting for him to succeed. In any case, I was always a fan of "The Logo" and can see a little bit of Jerry in Coach Nelson.
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Post by dadominate on May 30, 2020 13:07:39 GMT -5
"strength and honor"
love it!
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Post by hc811215 on May 31, 2020 10:58:52 GMT -5
Not much correlation between being a very good player at a high level and being a good coach. How's Chris Mullin doing nowadays? Was Mullin a MacDonald's All American in high school? How many times did he play in Final Four? Hpw many times was he the high scorer in college against Duke? His NBA experience is irrelevant. I'm talking COLLEGE. And "all" "every" etc. are words I try to avoid. In fact, I never said there was a "correlation." It wasn't even implied in my post. All I talked about was RECRUITING. Please try to read more carefully. Thanks. Chris Mullin was recognized as the best college player in the country his senior year, winning the Wooden award. Duke wasn't as good as St. John's in those days. |
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