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Post by hchoops on Apr 11, 2020 6:36:37 GMT -5
LS, You are an apologist for a person who puts his own unethical ego and winning at all costs above the good of the college and its reputation, To put Nelson in the same paragraph is an attempt at moral equivalency that is absurd. And to then say you are not comparing them defies logic. Of course the Umass vacancy was not Calipari’s only one. Memphis used your Pitino rationalization at Iona that ,”O, he learned his lesson, he won’t do it again. And we really want to win, so let’s give him another chance.” How did that work out for Memphis ? There it was a grades scandal with Derick Rose. another Marcus Camby. Do you also blame that on the Memphis compliance officer ? Calipari and Pitino are like leopards. They do not change their spots. They are grifters.
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Post by Tom on Apr 11, 2020 6:51:16 GMT -5
The key is to get someone who can coach and recruit and hire a sharp AD and Compliance Director to watch him like a hawk as they share responsibility for any corners that are cut. I voiced that sentiment in the Drew Lowder situation. I felt that ADMB had a responsibility to get involved and supervise his coach. He has that responsibility to the college and the player. I don't know if he did actively supervise Nelson but that is when you nip transgressions in the bud and establish that the coach is not running a fiefdom, rather he is closely regulated by both school and the NCAA. Of course I don't mean to paint Coach Nelson with the same brush as Coach Cal, but the UMass AD allowed Cal to establish a fiefdom and problems followed. Of course that assumes that coach Nelson's behavior drove away Lowder and that his behavior was a transgression that needed nipping in the bud. That might be true, but it still is an assumption. I am not aware of any facts that make that scenario any more likely than other scenarios
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 11, 2020 7:41:43 GMT -5
The apple orchard must have been the famous Brookfield Orchards (which is actually in North Brookfield). Great apple dumplings, too. You ate the whole pie? I've been to Brookfield Orchards many times for the apple dumplings. This was a new (in 2010) orchard store right on Rte. 9. I might have saved some pie for the ride home, but it didn't live to see the morning.
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Post by trimster on Apr 11, 2020 8:03:36 GMT -5
The apple orchard must have been the famous Brookfield Orchards (which is actually in North Brookfield). Great apple dumplings, too. You ate the whole pie? I love the pie story.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 11, 2020 8:21:49 GMT -5
LS, You are an apologist for a person who puts his own unethical ego and winning at all costs above the good of the college and its reputation, To put Nelson in the same paragraph is an attempt at moral equivalency that is absurd. And to then say you are not comparing them defies logic. Of course the Umass vacancy was not Calipari’s only one. Memphis used your Pitino rationalization at Iona that ,”O, he learned his lesson, he won’t do it again. And we really want to win, so let’s give him another chance.” How did that work out for Memphis ? There it was a grades scandal with Derick Rose. another Marcus Camby. Do you also blame that on the Memphis compliance officer ? Calipari and Pitino are like leopards. They do not change their spots. They are grifters. I tried to communicate that I had a balanced view of Calipari, a sympathetic view of Camby and high expectations of both Blossom and Nelson that they meet their responsibility to Holy Cross and HC students with the basketball program not becoming a fiefdom of the coach. Calipari because I followed his eight years at UMass, saw him build a national powerhouse that excited the state and watched UMass revert to irrelevance after he left and balanced that against the fact that agents got to Camby while he was still an ametuer. Camby, because he came from poverty but took personal responsibility for breaking the rules and compensated UMass for their financial loss that resulted. High expectations of MB and BN because I want Holy Cross to rise from the ashes of 3-29 but in the right way. It looks like that is happening with creative recruiting of transfers and international students who can be accepted at HC and play well.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 11, 2020 8:37:32 GMT -5
I don’t think anyone here has a complete picture of what happened with Lowder or why. Probably best for Lowder, Nelson, the team and the collective sanity of everyone here if we not speculate on who did what or who could have done what better. Let’s wish Lowder well wherever he winds up and support the team and coaches we have.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Apr 11, 2020 12:06:54 GMT -5
The apple orchard must have been the famous Brookfield Orchards (which is actually in North Brookfield). Great apple dumplings, too. You ate the whole pie? I've been to Brookfield Orchards many times for the apple dumplings. This was a new (in 2010) orchard store right on Rte. 9. I might have saved some pie for the ride home, but it didn't live to see the morning. Just came back from grocery shopping and, guess what; I bought an apple pie. Your fault.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 14, 2020 11:11:30 GMT -5
The following was sent to me.
Thomas F. O'Brien(Holy Cross 49?) is Senior Physician in the Division of Infectious Diseases and Medical Director of the Microbiology Laboratory at Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston, Massachusetts, and Associate Professor of Medicine at Harvard Medical School. Following graduation from Harvard Medical School [in 1954], Dr. O'Brien was a medical resident for two years at Peter Bent Brigham Hospital, Boston, a Harvard University Mosley Fellow for one year at Cambridge University, England, an active duty Captain in the U.S. Army Medical Corps for two years, and a research fellow in the Department of Microbiology at Harvard Medical School for another two years before a final year as a senior medical resident at Peter Bent Brigham Hospital. His dual role as clinician consulting on complicated infections and director of a laboratory identifying the microbes causing the infections and measuring their resistance to antibiotics prompted Dr. O'Brien to focus on the problems of antibiotic resistance and especially their molecular basis and epidemiology. This work led to the designation of his laboratory as World Health Organization Collaborating Center for the Surveillance of Antimicrobial Resistance and the development of software called WHONET, which now links laboratories in resistance surveillance networks in more than eighty countries. ______________________
James William Colbert Jr. (December 15, 1920 – September 11, 1974) was an American physician and the first vice president of academic affairs at the Medical University of South Carolina (MUSC), serving in this capacity from 1969 until his death in a plane crash in 1974. He is the father of Stephen Colbert and Elizabeth Colbert Busch.
Colbert (along with his twin sister, Margaret) was born on December 15, 1920, in the Bronx in New York City, to Mary (Tormey) and James William Colbert.[1] He was of mostly Irish descent, and was raised in a devout Roman Catholic household. He attended St. Augustine's School in Larchmont, New York for junior high school and Iona Preparatory in New Rochelle for high school. He received his A.B. from College of the Holy Cross in 1942 in philosophy, in which he was deeply interested; nevertheless, he later chose to pursue a medical career because, according to his daughter Margaret Colbert Keegan, "it just seemed to be the thing to do at the time." Colbert was accepted into the Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons in 1942, and received his M.D. there three years later, with a focus on immunology and infectious diseases. He then completed an internship at Bellevue Hospital before joining the U.S. Army Medical Corps in 1946.[2]
Colbert spent a year in Europe working for the U.S. Army Medical Corps, after which he completed a residency at Yale University School of Medicine. In 1949, he rejoined the U.S. Army Medical Corps as a representative of the Armed Forces Epidemiological Board, Director of the Hepatitis Research Team, and Technical Director of the Hepatitis Laboratory in Munich, Germany. Also after 1949, he joined the faculty of Yale University School of Medicine, where he was promoted to Assistant Dean in 1951. In 1953, at the age of 32, he left Yale to become the dean of the St. Louis University School of Medicine, making him the youngest dean of a medical school at the time. He remained at St. Louis University until 1961, when he became Associate Director for Extramural Programs at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases of the National Institutes of Health.[3] During 1960 he served as chair of the St. Louis chapter of Doctors for Kennedy, to support John F. Kennedy's 1960 presidential campaign.[4] In 1969, he and his family moved from Washington, D.C., where he had been working for the National Institutes of Health, to South Carolina.[5] He became the first vice president for academic affairs at the Medical University of South Carolina on February 1, 1969, and remained in that position until his death.[6] His work at the Medical University of South Carolina has been credited with "la[ying] the foundation for MUSC's rise as a nationally renowned academic medical center."[7]
^^^ Note Colbert's father worked at NIAID, which is Fauci's Institute. And Conan's father and Colbert's had such similar professional interests.
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Post by sader1970 on Apr 14, 2020 11:38:53 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Apr 14, 2020 11:57:34 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 14, 2020 12:05:56 GMT -5
Fantastic footage.
I loved Colbert's line: "You went to The 'Vard didn't you"?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Apr 14, 2020 12:18:58 GMT -5
To go back to Cal for a second — I don’t really hold him in any worse regard than guys like Self, Roy Williams, Sean Miller, Will Wade, and many others. In fact, Cal has become pretty transparent with his recruiting and goal at Kentucky: Play for BBN for a year or two, and use it as a stepping stone to go make a lot of money in the NBA.
It doesn’t make what he’s done in the past right, of course. Those blemishes will still be on his resume. I also think he’s cleaned up his image in the past several years.
I wonder if the state of Massachusetts and UMass would want to return to the Cal days?
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Post by sader1970 on Apr 14, 2020 14:49:21 GMT -5
As I have posted a number of times in the past, my late father was Class of '42 and I am in possession of his yearbook and the pictures above are ones I scanned. My father would write "R.I.P." when he became aware of a classmate who passed and something that I do in my 1970 yearbook as well. I go one step further by putting the date of the passing. I maintain a class necrology for the 1970 crew.
As as for the YouTube clip, while I had taped the Colbert show, I have no clue how to transfer a video from DVR to YouTube (no, don't help, I don't want to learn). For my own sake and to share with my family, I set up my fairly decent camera (even has a "TV" setting) on a tripod and recorded the 3 separate segments and then spliced them together with a "moviemaker" app,I have on my computer. Once done, I downloaded to YouTube and hopefully this is close enough to fair use not violating CBS' copyright but I leave that to the lawyers. It apparently has passed muster so far. I suspect CBS would love all the views they have been getting anyway.
Colbert on at least one other occasion talked publicly about meeting the classmate of his father giving him the '42 Purple Patcher page of his father. This, however, is the first time I heard him mention which classmate it was. If you can read it, "Bones" Hamilton must have been one heckuva athlete.
I am so far behind in posts and what I have seen has not encouraged me to post more. It was my hope that in my absence that combined with the pandemic that the tenor of the board had improved but I have seen no evidence of that.
I did think my post above required a little explanation. Other than that, if I return to posting, it will be like Dr. Fauci's advice on reopening the economy, slowly and judiciously.
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Post by hchoops on Apr 14, 2020 15:29:47 GMT -5
As I have posted a number of times in the past, my late father was Class of '42 and I am in possession of his yearbook and the pictures above are ones I scanned. My father would write "R.I.P." when he became aware of a classmate who passed and something that I do in my 1970 yearbook as well. I go one step further by putting the date of the passing. I maintain a class necrology for the 1970 crew. As as for the YouTube clip, while I had taped the Colbert show, I have no clue how to transfer a video from DVR to YouTube (no, don't help, I don't want to learn). For my own sake and to share with my family, I set up my fairly decent camera (even has a "TV" setting) on a tripod and recorded the 3 separate segments and then spliced them together with a "moviemaker" app,I have on my computer. Once done, I downloaded to YouTube and hopefully this is close enough to fair use not violating CBS' copyright but I leave that to the lawyers. It apparently has passed muster so far. I suspect CBS would love all the views they have been getting anyway. Colbert on at least one other occasion talked publicly about meeting the classmate of his father giving him the '42 Purple Patcher page of his father. This, however, is the first time I heard him mention which classmate it was. If you can read it, "Bones" Hamilton must have been one heckuva athlete. I am so far behind in posts and what I have seen has not encouraged me to post more. It was my hope that in my absence that combined with the pandemic that the tenor of the board had improved but I have seen no evidence of that. I did think my post above required a little explanation. Other than that, if I return to posting, it will be like Dr. Fauci's advice on reopening the economy, slowly and judiciously. Thanks for doing that, sader. i cannot read the Bones bio. could you please tell some of his accomplishments.
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Post by sader1970 on Apr 14, 2020 16:00:47 GMT -5
I believe if you click on the picture it will automatically enlarge and be legible.
However, "Bones" played football all 4 years, played baseball freshman year and basketball his last 3 years. He apparently played center on the football team.
As an aside, they mention his love of ice cream but my father, on his page, acknowledge that he was the ice cream eating champ at Holy Cross.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 14, 2020 17:34:52 GMT -5
Great tidbits that help paint a better picture of these Crusaders
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 14, 2020 17:48:09 GMT -5
To go back to Cal for a second — I don’t really hold him in any worse regard than guys like Self, Roy Williams, Sean Miller, Will Wade, and many others. In fact, Cal has become pretty transparent with his recruiting and goal at Kentucky: Play for BBN for a year or two, and use it as a stepping stone to go make a lot of money in the NBA. It doesn’t make what he’s done in the past right, of course. Those blemishes will still be on his resume. I also think he’s cleaned up his image in the past several years. I wonder if the state of Massachusetts and UMass would want to return to the Cal days? UMass has been trying to get back to those days for 24 years. I bet memories of the high of national recognition influenced the decision to go FBS in football. Boards like this are loaded with Sports Ethicists, but I bet the general public is less concerned and would get right back behind the Minutemen in droves if they could catch lightning in a bottle again.
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Post by hchoops on Apr 14, 2020 20:23:23 GMT -5
To go back to Cal for a second — I don’t really hold him in any worse regard than guys like Self, Roy Williams, Sean Miller, Will Wade, and many others. In fact, Cal has become pretty transparent with his recruiting and goal at Kentucky: Play for BBN for a year or two, and use it as a stepping stone to go make a lot of money in the NBA. It doesn’t make what he’s done in the past right, of course. Those blemishes will still be on his resume. I also think he’s cleaned up his image in the past several years. I wonder if the state of Massachusetts and UMass would want to return to the Cal days? UMass has been trying to get back to those days for 24 years. I bet memories of the high of national recognition influenced the decision to go FBS in football. Boards like this are loaded with Sports Ethicists, Better than unethicists ?
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 14, 2020 21:07:36 GMT -5
Ethical is better than unethical. Punishment is over once it has been served. Whatever punishment that was issued to Calipari, Camby and UMass has been served and completed. I am not as familiar with Calipari's issues at Memphis or if there have been any at Kentucky but any punishments issued for transgressions at those schools must be completed by now.
I have a friend whose son served several years in prison but now loads trucks at UPS and has been working extra long days during the coronavirus shutdown. Is he currently a scumbag or a hero for working overtime so older Americans like me can have UPS deliver stuff so I can stay safe and not have to go into stores? To me he has served his punishment for past actions and should be judged now on what he does now.
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Post by thecrossisback on Apr 14, 2020 22:17:10 GMT -5
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