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Post by HC92 on Apr 13, 2020 17:55:38 GMT -5
I suspect Magarity’s contract at HC will be in the same ballpark as her UNH contract. Maybe a slight bump but nothing crazy. That might still put her in the upper echelon of PL women’s coaches. For once we won’t be paying two coaches when we get a new one.
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 13, 2020 19:35:25 GMT -5
Will the press conference be Magarity at one end of the gym, Blossom at the other and Jen Toland in the middle shouting questions? Kind of a shame because the hiring announcement press conference is generally a sure win for HC. First question from Jen should be why you hiring a new coach with less experience at an academic school, a worse record at a school with easier admissions standards over keeping your interim coach?
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 13, 2020 19:36:19 GMT -5
Will the press conference be Magarity at one end of the gym, Blossom at the other and Jen Toland in the middle shouting questions? Kind of a shame because the hiring announcement press conference is generally a sure win for HC. First question from Jen should be why you hiring a new coach with less experience at an academic school, a worse record at a school with easier admissions standards over keeping your interim coach? But Jen has never asked a tough question at Holy Cross
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Post by timholycross on Apr 13, 2020 19:58:21 GMT -5
Will the press conference be Magarity at one end of the gym, Blossom at the other and Jen Toland in the middle shouting questions? Kind of a shame because the hiring announcement press conference is generally a sure win for HC. First question from Jen should be why you hiring a new coach with less experience at an academic school, a worse record at a school with easier admissions standards over keeping your interim coach? I'd settle for Jen asking what happened to Parks and Faulkner; even if "no comment" is the reply for either situation.
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Post by efg72 on Apr 13, 2020 20:21:46 GMT -5
Will the press conference be Magarity at one end of the gym, Blossom at the other and Jen Toland in the middle shouting questions? Kind of a shame because the hiring announcement press conference is generally a sure win for HC. First question from Jen should be why you hiring a new coach with less experience at an academic school, a worse record at a school with easier admissions standards over keeping your interim coach? Perhaps the answer might be—-because I want a fresh start and she was part of the problem-no loyalty and not able to bring talent over the finish line
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 13, 2020 22:53:58 GMT -5
First question from Jen should be why you hiring a new coach with less experience at an academic school, a worse record at a school with easier admissions standards over keeping your interim coach? Perhaps the answer might be—-because I want a fresh start and she was part of the problem-no loyalty and not able to bring talent over the finish line What loyalty? She was there for 12 seasons....I think that shows plenty of loyalty. You look at Magarity who has been under .500 in five out of her nine seasons (overall and in America East) in Durham, it is a questionable hire. You look at BU hiring an alum who was an assistant at UConn that gets people excited about the program. I don't see Magarity getting people excited in Worcester. Watch the press release quotes be from her "DAD" and say oh look at what a great job she is going to do...compare that to having Geno, Lobo, Breanna Stewart, etc in your bio.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Apr 13, 2020 23:24:03 GMT -5
Mac gave BG zero loyalty toward the end. Isn't a coach who would ever come to HC that would get Worc "excited" about WBB. A scribe asking a question shouldn't be needed to figure out why Parks is no longer at HC. Same for why Blossom, and likely some others at HC want a fresh start.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 13, 2020 23:51:43 GMT -5
We had a UConn alumnus on staff for two seasons, Morgan Valley. She's the same age as Coach Brett Nelson, went deep in the NCAA tournament as a player, had a long and varied tenure as an assistant coach, most recently at P-6 schools and got her first chance at a D-1 head coaching position this past season at a New England school just like Coach Nelson. The similarities don't stop there. She went 1-28 at Hartford.
My point is all hires of first time, or long time head coaches is a roll of the dice to some extent. One of the reasons I would be comfortable with AM continuing as head coach is I sense she would give HC a decent hometown discount and Fr. B. is reviewing all expenditures for cuts due to Covid-19, so it seemed like a marriage made in heaven.
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 14, 2020 0:56:55 GMT -5
We had a UConn alumnus on staff for two seasons, Morgan Valley. She's the same age as Coach Brett Nelson, went deep in the NCAA tournament as a player, had a long and varied tenure as an assistant coach, most recently at P-6 schools and got her first chance at a D-1 head coaching position this past season at a New England school just like Coach Nelson. The similarities don't stop there. She went 1-28 at Hartford. My point is all hires of first time, or long time head coaches is a roll of the dice to some extent. One of the reasons I would be comfortable with AM continuing as head coach is I sense she would give HC a decent hometown discount and Fr. B. is reviewing all expenditures for cuts due to Covid-19, so it seemed like a marriage made in heaven. Yea...Morgan Valley's roster had a grand total of three starts in 2018-2019 returning. They did not have a single senior this season. The top scorer in 2019-2020 went from 9.1 MPG to 35+ while going two points a game to 12.9. We will see what you guys think of Magarity when she is in the midst of a seven win campaign.
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Post by unhfan on Apr 14, 2020 5:39:58 GMT -5
I think a big reason for Magarity taking this job is admissions. At UNH she has had to deal with admissions standards that are different at UNH compared to the other schools in the America East and had grown frustrated by that as all coaches have. UNH has the highest admissions standards of all the America East schools and the coaches never know what it will take to get a player in at any sport. It doesn't help that one of our new admissions directors is from Harvard. Ironically as some of you veterans on this board know UNH was offered full membership in the PL back when it looked like the CAA might become a southern league but UNH worked out a deal to get Stony Brook and Albany into the league keeping UNH where it was.
She knows the Patriot League as she coached at one of the premier schools in the world under her dad and is looking forward to being in a league where the admission standards are clearer across the board. An example I can give you is that UNH couldn't get a SG in a few years ago but that player ended up at West Point. She's a great coach who gave UNH nine great years and I wish her nothing but the best. The good news is she comes to a university that has a good size fan base for women's basketball and I think she'll do a good job.
Ironically I had heard that it was the Associate Head Coach Kelsey Hogan who had applied for your opening but it appears now as she will take over as Head Coach at UNH which as a former player and native of New Hampshire will be a great choice.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 14, 2020 5:47:57 GMT -5
unh, thanks for the detailed update. It appears that HC is not the only school in the Northeast where there can be a disconnect at times between admissions and coaches. Be well - and stay safe!
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Post by sarasota on Apr 14, 2020 7:49:35 GMT -5
I was eating in Kimball the day Lew Alcindor walked in, made his appearance, turned on his heels and walked out. Coincidentally, Jack Donahue was HC's incoming HC. Did Alcindor ever apply to HC? Would Admissions have admitted him? If he had graduated from HC would he have changed his name to Kareem Abdul Jabbar?
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 14, 2020 8:00:35 GMT -5
I saw him in Fenwick that day with Ed Siudut and Coach Donohue. They were headed to the President's office. I have always seen it as a courtesy visit for his former coach, little more. It was exciting though!
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Apr 14, 2020 8:25:42 GMT -5
An example I can give you is that UNH couldn't get a SG in a few years ago but that player ended up at West Point. First time in history this has happened?
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Post by Ray on Apr 14, 2020 8:56:39 GMT -5
Official. Just received email announcement.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 14, 2020 9:13:00 GMT -5
1. Nice job by HC on that announcement. 2. Good to see that all those who commented were other women coaches. We are finally getting there in giving women their due.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 14, 2020 9:16:26 GMT -5
Official. Just received email announcement. Congratulations Coach Magarity, thank you Coach McInerney. I hope the rumor of Coach Mac to Merrimack comes true also. I am curious about the contract terms as this is one of the first post Covid contracts in college sports. I don't have the right to know, but wonder if any contingency about the pandemic was included and wonder if schools will wait for visibility about sports being played again before hiring Assistant Coaches.
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Post by timholycross on Apr 14, 2020 9:23:02 GMT -5
We had a UConn alumnus on staff for two seasons, Morgan Valley. She's the same age as Coach Brett Nelson, went deep in the NCAA tournament as a player, had a long and varied tenure as an assistant coach, most recently at P-6 schools and got her first chance at a D-1 head coaching position this past season at a New England school just like Coach Nelson. The similarities don't stop there. She went 1-28 at Hartford. My point is all hires of first time, or long time head coaches is a roll of the dice to some extent. One of the reasons I would be comfortable with AM continuing as head coach is I sense she would give HC a decent hometown discount and Fr. B. is reviewing all expenditures for cuts due to Covid-19, so it seemed like a marriage made in heaven. Yea...Morgan Valley's roster had a grand total of three starts in 2018-2019 returning. They did not have a single senior this season. The top scorer in 2019-2020 went from 9.1 MPG to 35+ while going two points a game to 12.9. We will see what you guys think of Magarity when she is in the midst of a seven win campaign. Unfortunately, John Wooden could be coaching the ladies in 2020-21 and a TEN win campaign would be a good season; the cupboard is that bare.
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Post by timholycross on Apr 14, 2020 9:27:18 GMT -5
I was eating in Kimball the day Lew Alcindor walked in, made his appearance, turned on his heels and walked out. Coincidentally, Jack Donahue was HC's incoming HC. Did Alcindor ever apply to HC? Would Admissions have admitted him? If he had graduated from HC would he have changed his name to Kareem Abdul Jabbar? One of Kareem's books mentions that visit and that he talked to a black student who said "you're crazy to come here"; or something to that effect. I may have met that student this year. I have a 50% chance of being right about that, seeing as the man I met went to HC at the time and there were a total of TWO black students in the school! Nice guy, by the way. Stopped me on a side street because he saw my HC sticker. Had a long chat.
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Post by timholycross on Apr 14, 2020 9:31:28 GMT -5
Official. Just received email announcement. Congratulations Coach Magarity, thank you Coach McInerney. I hope the rumor of Coach Mac to Merrimack comes true also. I am curious about the contract terms as this is one of the first post Covid contracts in college sports. I don't have the right to know, but wonder if any contingency about the pandemic was included and wonder if schools will wait for visibility about sports being played again before hiring Assistant Coaches. I can see there being something in the contract about not playing subsequent seasons (2021-2, specifically, if the situation continued to not be safe). But no one would switch to another school if the 2020-21 season were not for the most part handled the same as any other season. Perhaps, however, the bottom rung assistant and the DBO will not be hired until there is some clarity.
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Post by unhfan on Apr 14, 2020 9:31:56 GMT -5
An example I can give you is that UNH couldn't get a SG in a few years ago but that player ended up at West Point. First time in history this has happened? Hi no not all all. You can pick a sport and I can tell stories about players who wanted to come to UNH but were not admitted to the school. I realize the high standards of Holy Cross due to being a member of the Patriot League and probably the second best academic conference in America. That being said UNH is not in the PL and it makes it tough when the other AE schools can get kids in and UNH can't. The good thing is it's fair across the board in all sports as you can tell with hockey in recent years.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Apr 14, 2020 9:48:03 GMT -5
I'm not denying the fact that UNH struggled getting kids through admissions compared to their peers in the AE, but Army is not a peer. In fact, Army and UNH are not in the same stratosphere. No disrespect.
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Post by unhfan on Apr 14, 2020 9:54:36 GMT -5
I'm not denying the fact that UNH struggled getting kids through admissions compared to their peers in the AE, but Army is not a peer. In fact, Army and UNH are not in the same stratosphere. No disrespect. No I completely agree with you and that was my point. How can a kid be allowed in a one of the finest institutions the world but not into UNH?
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Post by purplehaze on Apr 14, 2020 10:02:25 GMT -5
I don't know about that particular case, but SOV certainly is familiar with some stories about student athletes who were not admitted to HC but ended up at other PL and even Ivy schools. The same goes for the academies, trust me they like winning teams and they do make exceptions in admissions.
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 14, 2020 10:42:51 GMT -5
An example I can give you is that UNH couldn't get a SG in a few years ago but that player ended up at West Point. First time in history this has happened? It is well known there has always been a disconnect at UNH and admissions
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