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Post by rgs318 on Sept 14, 2016 14:11:06 GMT -5
JRGNYR- I acknowledge all the plusses about awards that you elaborate. I am simply pointing out one negative, i.e., individual awards when a team losses. And I gave my reason for saying that, i.e., the negative impact on team chemistry. You are correct that I am looking at it as a fan. Because that is all I am--a fan. I'm not naive enough to ignore that there are other considerations. If I was a marketing exec I would have that point of view. But I'm not. I believe it is important for folks to advocate for their own interests. That's why there are customer satisfaction surveys--for those service/product providers who care about satisfying customers. Exactly how would an individual award affect team chemistry? I would say it can boost team chemistry by raising the team's level of pride in seeing a teammate's efforts be recognized. |
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Post by joe on Sept 14, 2016 14:21:36 GMT -5
I would submit its effect on team chemistry is somewhere between none and minimal, but it is certainly not negative.
I would also submit it would be nice if offensive linemen were recognized for these things once in a while. I understand it's hard with no objective stats to analyze.
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Post by JRGNYR on Sept 14, 2016 21:50:53 GMT -5
You mean you can't imagine how that can happen? I'd like you to explain your reasoning. |
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Post by sarasota on Sept 14, 2016 23:46:38 GMT -5
rgs & JRGNYR- I don't have a pollyannish view of human nature.
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Post by JRGNYR on Sept 15, 2016 7:14:48 GMT -5
rgs & JRGNYR- I don't have a pollyannish view of human nature. I'm going to repeat my question since you are making a claim and haven't backed it up with any kind of evidence, anecdotal or otherwise. How, in your view, does a student-athlete winning a weekly award affect the chemistry of the team of which he/she belongs? |
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Post by sarasota on Sept 15, 2016 8:48:55 GMT -5
JRGNYR- If you can't figure it out for yourself, I'm not going to waste my time explaining it to you.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 15, 2016 9:22:35 GMT -5
Would the business equivalent of this be an outstanding sales person winning a salesman of the month award for a company that missed its goals for that month? That sales person, let's call him Ryan, may have exceeded goal by 20% in a month when the total company missed its goal by, say, 3%. Should his superior performance be recognized and rewarded?  Would a coworker say, perhaps "hey, we had an off month, but I'm glad management recognized Ryan"? |
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Post by JRGNYR on Sept 15, 2016 9:36:24 GMT -5
JRGNYR- If you can't figure it out for yourself, I'm not going to waste my time explaining it to you. I'm not a mind reader, 'sota, so I'm not going to assume what it is you're thinking. It's your choice if you refuse to explain your point, but I'm not going to discuss an issue with the invisible man. When and if you decide to bring something worthwhile to the table instead of broad-brushing statements without backup, let me know. |
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Post by JRGNYR on Sept 15, 2016 10:09:54 GMT -5
Would the business equivalent of this be an outstanding sales person winning a salesman of the month award for a company that missed its goals for that month? That sales person, let's call him Ryan, may have exceeded goal by 20% in a month when the total company missed its goal by, say, 3%. Should his superior performance be recognized and rewarded? Would a coworker say, perhaps "hey, we had an off month, but I'm glad management recognized Ryan"? I suppose that depends on how that specific business decides to operate, isn't it? Maybe that's not the industry standard, though, or the industry standard is different. In college athletics, it's the industry standard to recognize athletes with weekly awards regardless of the team result. I think it's also entirely different if you attach a financial component to it. There is no such component with a weekly award from a conference. At best, it's a certificate in a holder. |
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Post by sarasota on Sept 15, 2016 12:35:06 GMT -5
OK. Here goes. The team really wanted to win. Guys worked their asses off for two hours on a hot sweaty day. Everyone's depressed about the loss. Some guys are really banged up from getting hit. I know I did some good things out there, but it is not noted by anyone. The QB, our leader, had a good game and gets kudos, POW, article in the newspapers, hero on campus, etc. Not the first time this has happened. After a while it starts to piss me off. I'm not the only one who feels this way sometimes. In a moment of weakness, a player makes a crack about it. Some agree. Some don't. Team unity challenged.
The risk of that happening is all I'm getting at. I'm a great admirer of Pujals. Never met him. Sure he's a great guy. But I wouldn't be surprised if him getting awards during losses might be a little embarrassing for him.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 17, 2016 9:59:24 GMT -5
I am pretty sure Peter will get over any embarrassment he might feel. As not just the QB but also a multi-year captain of the team, this implies a level of leadership in which I have not a shred of doubt that when he got this award he said something to his teammates something along the line like "This us really an offensive team award because without the blocking of you guys on the offensive line, I would not have been able to achieve those numbers."
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Would a coworker say, perhaps "hey, we had an off month, but I'm glad management recognized Ryan"?