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Post by timholycross on Apr 30, 2020 15:56:24 GMT -5
We can't redshirt and there's a decent chance that one or two guys out of the incoming 7 are not going to be ready for college ball, no matter how much we've touted them.
So that makes 10 of our guys, Hart is a walk on and probably not playing very much, so that's 9. With all that inexperience, I don't see where 9 is a big problem.
"I never substitute just to substitute. I play my regulars. The only way a guy gets off the floor is if he dies".....Abe Lemons
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Post by sader1970 on Apr 30, 2020 15:57:55 GMT -5
Uh, Abe himself, is dead, right? So's that idea.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 30, 2020 16:14:09 GMT -5
Interesting read....lot of "old school" HS coaches were of the "5 and die" philosophy i.e. basically keep your starting 5 in there for as long as possible. It obviously depends on your rostah, but for HS, I really don't think you need more than 7, maybe 8 guys most games. The blowback though comes from the players families, possibly administration etc When I started watching local high school basketball more in the last couple of years, I was surprised that the two varsity coaches whose teams I was watching regularly very rarely went to the bench.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 30, 2020 16:26:00 GMT -5
One of the classics in Bergen County came back in the day when box scores wee printed for each game. Dumont High School - a good team, about 6 deep would play the starters until the last two minutes (with their lead often 25 points or more). The. coach would then put 5 subs in with two minutes to go and five more subs for the last minute. He always had 15 in the box score but usually played 5 men all the way. When the talent of his team thinned out, opposing coaches showed no mercy. The extra 10 players were there for practice and for the next season. Luckily he had few injuries or illness among the players. He really needed only 5 or 6 in a game - and he could also have used some better sportsmanship.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 30, 2020 16:26:41 GMT -5
Because I’m bored, here are my minutes projections for the OOC games that may never happen. I assume the rotation will be tightened up for PL play. These are even more meaningless than usual given the number of newcomers but here it is based on very little:
PG- Johnson 32, Reilly 6, Humphrey 2 SG- Wade 26, Humphrey 12, Montgomery 2 SF- Butler 28, Montgomery 8, Townsel 4 PF- Faw 26, Martindale 14 C- Coulibaly 26, Rabinovich 14
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Post by hchoops on Apr 30, 2020 16:43:46 GMT -5
Because I’m bored, here are my minutes projections for the OOC games that may never happen. I assume the rotation will be tightened up for PL play. These are even more meaningless than usual given the number of newcomers but here it is based on very little: PG- Johnson 32, Reilly 6, Humphrey 2 SG- Wade 26, Humphrey 12, Montgomery 2 SF- Butler 28, Montgomery 8, Townsel 4 PF- Faw 26, Martindale 14 C- Coulibaly 26, Rabinovich 14 Thanks for doing this. interesting. I am not sure that PL minutes will differ that much from OOC minutes. some thoughts Also based on little to nothing 1- if Faw stays out of foul trouble, which he has not done thus far, 26 minutes would be realistic 2- Rabinovich has played the PF for WA and he could get some minutes there. 3- Martindale has also played the PF but more often the SF. I think he may get more minutes at the 3. 4- Townsel may get minutes at the 4. Being the most experienced of the newcomers he may be ready for more minutes. 5- Humphrey may get more back up minutes at the point. Reilly may get fewer. 6- If some/all of Humphrey, Montgomery and .Martindale are as good as advertised, Wade may not get 26 mins. 7- I agree with your minutes and positions for Johnson, Butler and Coulibaly.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 30, 2020 16:54:26 GMT -5
Because I’m bored, here are my minutes projections for the OOC games that may never happen. I assume the rotation will be tightened up for PL play. These are even more meaningless than usual given the number of newcomers but here it is based on very little: PG- Johnson 32, Reilly 6, Humphrey 2 SG- Wade 26, Humphrey 12, Montgomery 2 SF- Butler 28, Montgomery 8, Townsel 4 PF- Faw 26, Martindale 14 C- Coulibaly 26, Rabinovich 14 Great way to start a productive exchange. Having seen a lot of play for the returners but not much beyond highlights for the newcomers, my inexpert thoughts would be I think Martindale may get more minutes and Townsel, with post-hs experience, more as well. 32 may be high for Johnson . If Coulibaly can give us 26 solid minutes that will be great.
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Post by gocrossgo on Apr 30, 2020 17:01:17 GMT -5
Because I’m bored, here are my minutes projections for the OOC games that may never happen. I assume the rotation will be tightened up for PL play. These are even more meaningless than usual given the number of newcomers but here it is based on very little: PG- Johnson 32, Reilly 6, Humphrey 2 SG- Wade 26, Humphrey 12, Montgomery 2 SF- Butler 28, Montgomery 8, Townsel 4 PF- Faw 26, Martindale 14 C- Coulibaly 26, Rabinovich 14 Good idea. I’m high on Humphrey so I’d have him playing a little more, maybe in the backup PG role instead of JR
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Apr 30, 2020 17:11:00 GMT -5
Unless Reilly makes some big strides during the offseason, it's hard to see him getting meaningful minutes.
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Post by possum on Apr 30, 2020 17:12:31 GMT -5
Think Nelson is going to force feed the freshmen with all except Rabinovich and Townsel getting 20+ minutes per game. Don't think Reilly will get meaningful minutes and doubt Wade gets 20 minutes a game.
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Post by hc87 on Apr 30, 2020 20:54:25 GMT -5
Interesting read....lot of "old school" HS coaches were of the "5 and die" philosophy i.e. basically keep your starting 5 in there for as long as possible. It obviously depends on your rostah, but for HS, I really don't think you need more than 7, maybe 8 guys most games. The blowback though comes from the players families, possibly administration etc When I started watching local high school basketball more in the last couple of years, I was surprised that the two varsity coaches whose teams I was watching regularly very rarely went to the bench. When you're only playing 32 minutes....and in 4 8 minute quarters (we did go halves for awhile in Mass. but went back to quarters)....properly conditioned kids can play 32 minutes mostly....not saying it's the only way to go...but just playing 5, 6 or 7 kids is mostly doable.
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Post by timholycross on Apr 30, 2020 21:25:17 GMT -5
You're right if you don't foul a lot. Quarters in high school ball give you 7 time outs in a 32 minute game (plus intermission, which you'd get anyway you did it).
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Post by HC92 on Apr 30, 2020 21:29:49 GMT -5
When I started watching local high school basketball more in the last couple of years, I was surprised that the two varsity coaches whose teams I was watching regularly very rarely went to the bench. When you're only playing 32 minutes....and in 4 8 minute quarters (we did go halves for awhile in Mass. but went back to quarters)....properly conditioned kids can play 32 minutes mostly....not saying it's the only way to go...but just playing 5, 6 or 7 kids is mostly doable. I have no doubt the starting five can play the whole game. Just doesn’t seem super conducive to building a team if only 5 out of 12-13 guys ever play. In the cases I’m talking about, there also isn’t a huge drop off between 4-5 and 6-8.
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Post by rgs318 on May 4, 2020 15:47:02 GMT -5
Because I’m bored, here are my minutes projections for the OOC games that may never happen. I assume the rotation will be tightened up for PL play. PG- Johnson 32, Reilly 6, Humphrey 2 SG- Wade 26, Humphrey 12, Montgomery 2 SF- Butler 28, Montgomery 8, Townsel 4 PF- Faw 26, Martindale 14, Gates ? C- Coulibaly 26, Rabinovich 14 Care to work out revised minutes should our new commit Gates become eligible for the coming year?
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Post by purplehaze on May 4, 2020 16:31:14 GMT -5
We've stated here many time over the last few days that the one year waiver is not happening according to the committee at the NCAA considering it - how did you miss that ?
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Post by hchoops on May 4, 2020 16:40:45 GMT -5
The NCAA Council Last week recommended postponing the decision on transfers until January. The Committee to decide it meets on May 20. They usually abide by the Council’s decision, but do not have to..
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Post by rgs318 on May 4, 2020 16:44:43 GMT -5
Thanks for that explanation, hoops.
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Post by HC92 on May 4, 2020 16:58:07 GMT -5
Because I’m bored, here are my minutes projections for the OOC games that may never happen. I assume the rotation will be tightened up for PL play. PG- Johnson 32, Reilly 6, Humphrey 2 SG- Wade 26, Humphrey 12, Montgomery 2 SF- Butler 28, Montgomery 8, Townsel 4 PF- Faw 26, Martindale 14, Gates ? C- Coulibaly 26, Rabinovich 14 Care to work out revised minutes should our new commit Gates become eligible for the coming year? As others have mentioned, that scenario seems unlikely. If it ever did happen, Coulibaly likely would lose the most. Probably Rabinovich too. Bigs going from high school to D1 and expecting to be contributors right away is not ideal but likely what we’ll have to do. Faw and Gates would be our most D1 ready bigs by a decent margin.
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Post by hchoops on May 4, 2020 17:03:04 GMT -5
Good thinking. Unlikely to happen, but fun to project. What else is there to do ? I believe that arrangement would likely put Gates at the starting 5 with Coulibaly as his back up. Faw would likely be the starting 4 with Rabinovich, who played a lot of the PF at WA, as his backup. Based on Faw’s foul history, Mike might see meaningful minutes. Plenty of minutes for the four bigs (one very big) Martindale to compete at the 3 only. Gates played 27 mpg at UNO, so he could get 27-30 at HC. That would give Louth 10-13. Possibly Louth could also pick up a few at the 4.
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Post by rgs318 on May 4, 2020 18:02:03 GMT -5
Thanks to you both for playing along.
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Post by hchoops on May 4, 2020 18:34:46 GMT -5
The Gates commit takes the pressure off next season’s recruiting class to signing more than one big. Of course, two would be ideal. if we have 3 scholarships for next year, I believe that a point guard would most likely be the most important priority, unless a backup to RJ develops. Next would be 1 or 2 bigs, or if not 2, then 1 wing.
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Post by timholycross on May 4, 2020 18:46:43 GMT -5
Unless some other transfer drops in HC's laps, the class of 2022 only has one player (Townsel).
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Post by HC92 on May 16, 2020 22:12:47 GMT -5
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Post by WorcesterGray on May 26, 2020 18:19:12 GMT -5
Here are my minutes projections for the OOC games that may never happen. I assume the rotation will be tightened up for PL play. These are even more meaningless than usual given the number of newcomers but here it is based on very little: PG- Johnson 32, Reilly 6, Humphrey 2 SG- Wade 26, Humphrey 12, Montgomery 2 SF- Butler 28, Montgomery 8, Townsel 4 PF- Faw 26, Martindale 14 C- Coulibaly 26, Rabinovich 14 Bump.
I'd cut Faw and Wade back to 20, Butler to 25, and give those collective 15 minutes to Martindale. Would also split the minutes at the five evenly between Coulibaly and Rabinovich.
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Post by longsuffering on May 26, 2020 18:54:11 GMT -5
If Wade retains 26 minutes, that's not the best sign as he was a starter out of necessity last year for a 3-29 team and the new players have been touted as better then the departed. If Wade earns the 26 minutes by strong improvement during the off season that's different.
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