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Post by purplehaze on Apr 14, 2020 13:29:56 GMT -5
There is certain to be a plethora of stories coming out of collegiate (and pro) sports organizations in the coming weeks and months given the magnitude of the virus - let's chronicle them here
I'll start with today's announcement from the U of Cincinnati that their men's soccer program has been dropped effective immediately - their AD said the decision was directly related to the coronavirus and it's impact on budgets going forward.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Apr 14, 2020 13:35:26 GMT -5
Unfortunate to see this happening.
If football season doesn't happen, a lot of the minor sports at P5 football schools will be in jeopardy. The revenue brought in by football certainly offsets costs for non-rev sports.
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Post by Tom on Apr 14, 2020 15:20:51 GMT -5
I think sports in general are a big part of the national consciousness. That being said, I could also see them being about the last thing to come back. We would need a darn good vaccine/cure before tens of thousands of people cram into stadiums in close proximity.
The logistics would be tough, but somehow send the crappy teams back sooner. Every Tampa Bay Ray game I see on TV has plenty of social distancing in the stands
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 14, 2020 15:29:32 GMT -5
Now we will learn that poor fan support or a small "crowd" is really a way to show socially responsible distance between fans.
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Post by timholycross on Apr 14, 2020 16:15:51 GMT -5
Maybe what sports/seasons are played in the next year should be like WW2 with severe travel restrictions, at least in the non-revenue sports.
Less travel, less costs, less spread. The students still get to play.
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Post by gks on Apr 14, 2020 16:25:58 GMT -5
I fear many smaller colleges will not be reopening in the fall.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 14, 2020 16:36:46 GMT -5
That ,might have been true for some already (as we saw in this [past academic year). I hope it is not too widespread. The positive for this could be an increase in enrollment for some nearby colleges.
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Post by gks on Apr 14, 2020 16:42:14 GMT -5
Opinion only here but I feel schools in the Northeast could take a big hit. It's where the highest numbers are. Fear is a strong thing.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Apr 14, 2020 16:43:05 GMT -5
If you were the parent of a child and living in Massachusetts, all of a sudden in-state tuition to UMass is looking pretty good right now compared to private colleges in state.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 14, 2020 16:44:26 GMT -5
...and athletic scholarships are looking even better!
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Post by hcpride on Apr 15, 2020 7:12:55 GMT -5
SoV's point is well taken. We may be hitting the wait list pretty hard. Wait list offers do take 'need' into account so (forgetting academic qualifications for a moment) that might actually boost our tuition income.
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Post by purplehaze on Apr 15, 2020 7:29:46 GMT -5
Did you mean to say ‘do “not” take need into consideration’? That is true although in these unique times some things might change in order to get a frosh class of 800 or so.
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Post by hc89 on Apr 15, 2020 7:43:08 GMT -5
Did you mean to say ‘do “not” take need into consideration’? That is true although in these unique times some things might change in order to get a frosh class of 800 or so. Perhaps, but with the probable (very significant?) decline in students studying abroad next year, HC will have nowhere to put 'em...
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Post by alum on Apr 15, 2020 8:04:20 GMT -5
We sometimes bemoan the fact that HC's student body is too Northeast centric. Who knows, but that might help a little bit in this atmosphere. I just looked and found that international students only make up 3.7% of the student body. We won't take the tuition hit some schools might have from the loss of those, often full pay, students.
I also wonder if people will make two deposits--one to a first choice private college and one to a state university. Additionally, if many colleges are going to their wait lists, there will be a lot of jumping around over the summer months.
We will have a first inkling of the effect of this miserable virus on yield in early May and, then I imagine, a second one in August when we see if there is more than average melt.
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Post by hcpride on Apr 15, 2020 8:12:28 GMT -5
Did you mean to say ‘do “not” take need into consideration’? That is true although in these unique times some things might change in order to get a frosh class of 800 or so. Traditionally at HC we did not take 'need' into account when accepting kids Regular Admission. Need-blind was the phrase. I was trying to say the wait list is a different matter in that "need" is taken into account (the implication being that if you need less aid it might help you get into the school). (So, I think we'll be hitting the wait list more next year to fill our slots...but if we can meet our slots by grabbing kids off the wait list who need little or no aid that might help to balance our books.)
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Post by Tom on Apr 15, 2020 8:12:50 GMT -5
Per the new policy from last year as I understand it. . .
The first 96 percent of the kids who get in are admitted need blind and are guaranteed 100 percent demonstrated need For the last 4 percent to get admitted, need plays a role in the admission decision, but once they make the cut, they are guaranteed 100 percent demonstrated need
Then there's the waiting list for kids that don't make the cut but can make up the numbers if the yield from accepted students is less than anticipated. Most years no one is admitted from the waiting list. When used, need is considered when deciding who gets admitted. Students admitted from the waiting list are not guaranteed 100 percent demonstrated need. The waiting list policy was in effect before last year's policy change that made the bottom 4 percent of regular admissions no longer need blind
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Post by alum on Apr 15, 2020 8:14:50 GMT -5
Per the new policy from last year as I understand it. . . The first 96 percent of the kids who get in are admitted need blind and are guaranteed 100 percent demonstrated need For the last 4 percent to get admitted, need plays a role in the admission decision, but once they make the cut, they are guaranteed 100 percent demonstrated need Then there's the waiting list for kids that don't make the cut but can make up the numbers if the yield from accepted students is less than anticipated. Most years no one is admitted from the waiting list. When used, need is considered when deciding who gets admitted. Students admitted from the waiting list are not guaranteed 100 percent demonstrated need. The waiting list policy was in effect before last year's policy change that made the bottom 4 percent of regular admissions no longer need blind There you go using facts again.......
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Post by hcpride on Apr 15, 2020 8:23:43 GMT -5
Per the new policy from last year as I understand it. . . The first 96 percent of the kids who get in are admitted need blind and are guaranteed 100 percent demonstrated need For the last 4 percent to get admitted, need plays a role in the admission decision, but once they make the cut, they are guaranteed 100 percent demonstrated need Then there's the waiting list for kids that don't make the cut but can make up the numbers if the yield from accepted students is less than anticipated. Most years no one is admitted from the waiting list. When used, need is considered when deciding who gets admitted. Students admitted from the waiting list are not guaranteed 100 percent demonstrated need. The waiting list policy was in effect before last year's policy change that made the bottom 4 percent of regular admissions no longer need blind Exactly. While the new policy is interesting, the wait list policy is the point. My underlining.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 15, 2020 8:53:22 GMT -5
Peter Thamel article, I think for Yahoo sports. www.msn.com/en-us/sports/more-sports/with-budgets-tightening-due-to-coronavirus-fallout-will-more-college-sports-be-cut/ar-BB12CS5z?li=BBnba9IMentions Holy Cross, which was how I was alerted. His suggestion, which may not be original to him, is that for non-revenue sports, conference schools play institutions within their geographical area. His example was BC, HC, and UConn. A big concern for the larger conferences is the expensive travel costs playing conference games that require airplane travel, that, and the minimum number of athletic contests that must be played for some sports. E.g., some schools play 50+ baseball games, double the minimum required.
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Post by timholycross on Apr 15, 2020 9:18:26 GMT -5
Exactly what I was trying to say!
The made-for-tv leagues (and league expansions) are coming back to haunt those leagues. It never made much sense for all this travel, but it's been done up to now to meet NCAA requirements.
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Post by purplehaze on Apr 15, 2020 13:00:42 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Apr 15, 2020 19:00:05 GMT -5
Will never happen but would be interesting to re-conference all D1 schools based first on geography and then on sports-related spending with the goal being to eliminate air travel for one academic year while maintaining some level of competitive balance.
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Post by hcpride on Apr 16, 2020 5:42:11 GMT -5
If you were the parent of a child and living in Massachusetts, all of a sudden in-state tuition to UMass is looking pretty good right now compared to private colleges in state. Especially if distance-learning was going to remain in the fall. (And that was announced prior to May 1)
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Post by gks on Apr 16, 2020 6:17:40 GMT -5
If you were the parent of a child and living in Massachusetts, all of a sudden in-state tuition to UMass is looking pretty good right now compared to private colleges in state. Especially if distance-learning was going to remain in the fall. (And that was announced prior to May 1) But they won't. And there is no sign of the May 1st deadline being moved. Parents (I'm one) are in a tough spot right now.
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Post by trimster on Apr 16, 2020 6:57:58 GMT -5
I just read this on the Ivy Board. Some of the numbers are staggering. For example, the University of Texas made 112,000,000 on football in 2018. The Ohio State University and the University of Michigan both lost close to 40,000,000 on sports other than football in 2018. I believe the article said the average Power 5 school loses 22,000,000 per year before football profit is factored in. Knowing this, I suspect a spring football season is a real possibility in the coming school year.
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