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Post by JRGNYR on May 18, 2020 8:18:59 GMT -5
The MAC is eliminating postseason competition in eight sports - this action is expected to last up to four years starting in 2021 - the effects on budgets at the 'Group of 5' schools is huge and if there's no football in the fall watch out for major disruption at Power 5 schools. The next two months could be explosive www.si.com/college/2020/05/12/mac-eliminate-postseason-several-sportsWow. Seems harsh to call it for four years. I wonder if regular season champions in the affected sports will be allowed to participate in the NCAA tourney Conferences have the independence to determine who represents them as champion in the associated NCAA tournament. They’re going to send the regular season champion in those impacted sports. The reason it’s four years, I suspect, is because the budgetary impacts of what is taking place now won’t be remedied easily in the short term. Coincidentally, the lower enrollment schools anticipate for the upcoming freshman class will follow that class all four years of matriculation.
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Post by purplehaze on May 18, 2020 17:25:13 GMT -5
from Jon Rothstein: Notre Dame will cancel its fall break, end its fall semester by Thanksgiving, and welcome students back to campus during the week of August 10th, per release. WOW
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Post by bfoley82 on May 19, 2020 15:42:32 GMT -5
The MAC seems to be the most active D.1 conference making cost cutting moves - the latest is Bowling Green axing its baseball program effective immediately With MLB cutting the amateur draft down to five rounds, axing many minor league affiliations and some MLB players acting like crybabies over their salaries, the national pastime is not doing much to bring the nation together during this crisis. I have more sympathy for colleges caught in a budget squeeze but hope they will reconsider when the economy improves. College baseball should be an affordable sport played outdoors in the fresh air on fields that were payed for sometime in the last century. I'd rather have leagues ax expensive late winter Southern trips and play deeper into the spring than have the sport die by a thousand cuts as more schools drop it. Central Michigan cut Men's Track and Field today cmuchippewas.com/news/2020/5/19/general-cmu-athletics-announces-program-changes.aspx
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Post by longsuffering on May 19, 2020 16:15:30 GMT -5
Track should be another affordable sport.
On a very loosely connected subject, my mind wanders when too many details are presented, so during all the posts about the Luth Center planning, emails from the college, etc.,and one tour during construction, I never actually determined if an indoor track was included. Rather I got the notion in my head that of course it would be and it was probably on a second level above the 100 yard indoor practice facility or somewhere. Only recently did I read in a post that there is no indoor track. I think that's an unfortunate missed opportunity.
HC can't fit a lake for Crew or a Golf Course for Golf on campus but I assumed for $90 million they could fit an indoor track in the Luth.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 19, 2020 17:50:49 GMT -5
Track should be another affordable sport. On a very loosely connected subject, my mind wanders when too many details are presented, so during all the posts about the Luth Center planning, emails from the college, etc.,and one tour during construction, I never actually determined if an indoor track was included. Rather I got the notion in my head that of course it would be and it was probably on a second level above the 100 yard indoor practice facility or somewhere. Only recently did I read in a post that there is no indoor track. I think that's an unfortunate missed opportunity. HC can't fit a lake for Crew or a Golf Course for Golf on campus but I assumed for $90 million they could fit an indoor track in the Luth. the original design for Luth had a 200 meter indoor track. It would have looked like this. (Same architect). ADNP rejected that design.
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Post by Crucis#1 on May 19, 2020 18:29:54 GMT -5
PP: Do you know the dimensions of the field inside the track at Middlebury? Is it the size of a regulation Football field? Considering that each trust for the roof cost $2million dollars, what would have been the additional cost to replicate the Middlebury design?
At one time there was a discussion of an indoor track facility that would be shared by several colleges in Worcester. Has that now been placed on the back burner or eliminated?
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Post by longsuffering on May 19, 2020 18:56:56 GMT -5
PP: Do you know the dimensions of the field inside the track at Middlebury? Is it the size of a regulation Football field? Considering that each trust for the roof cost $2million dollars, what would have been the additional cost to replicate the Middlebury design? At one time there was a discussion of an indoor track facility that would be shared by several colleges in Worcester. Has that now been placed on the back burner or eliminated? Interesting. I never heard of that shared track proposal. It highlights how many athletic facilities sit unused for large periods of time. Clark University addressed this issue by partnering with the Worcester Boys and Girls club to build new athletic fields that are jointly used. A key to that development was Congressman Jim McGovern getting significant urban revitalization Federal Funding of some sort for the project in a depressed former industrial area of Main South. Brownfield clean up money might have been involved. HC has a government relations position formerly occupied by City Manager Ed Augustus. I am not sure if that position has brought home any Federal/State Funding to HC equivalent to what Clark accomplished.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 19, 2020 22:50:07 GMT -5
I remember the shared track proposal from some years ago
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Post by purplehaze on May 21, 2020 9:55:08 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 21, 2020 10:10:13 GMT -5
Quite an article. UConn football with $16.6MM in expenses and $3.3MM in revenue and now becoming an independent. Disaster looms, indeed.
With the huges shortfall in revenue for the university we can expect to see multiple sports dropped
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Post by HC92 on May 21, 2020 10:32:19 GMT -5
I can’t see any advantage to UConn to continuing to offer FBS football. With the move to the Big East, UConn has seemingly conceded that they are not getting a P5 invite. So, they’re going to be a bottom-feeder in FBS football for the rest of their time there. Pull the plug now, move to CAA football and close the second level of the stadium for football games.
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Post by alum on May 21, 2020 10:45:20 GMT -5
UConn has the following sports: Men: Basketball, Football, Soccer, Ice Hockey, Baseball, Track/XC, Swimming, Golf and Tennis Women: Basketball, Soccer, Field Hockey, Ice Hockey, Softball, Volleyball, Track/XC, Lax, Swimming, Tennis, Golf, Rowing
I ordered each list by how I think the university and its community value each. Big East offers all of those sports except Rowing and, of course, Football.
I assume that UCONN wants to be thought of as a big time sports school. Big time sports schools offer all of these sports with the possible exception of women's lax, men's and women's Ice Hockey, and rowing. Dropping ice hockey would represent a pretty big savings, especially since it would allow them to avoid building a new arena. While it has its fans, it is not a huge part of the university culture. The only other solution would be to give up wanting to be like a P5 school and instead act like a Big East school and get rid of football.
My only other thought about this is that while UConn may lose $42 million per year in athletics, on a per student basis, that is about half of what HC loses on that department.
I expect that they will do nothing significant other than see if they can put off some construction projects.
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Post by alum on May 21, 2020 10:49:58 GMT -5
I can’t see any advantage to UConn to continuing to offer FBS football. With the move to the Big East, UConn has seemingly conceded that they are not getting a P5 invite. So, they’re going to be a bottom-feeder in FBS football for the rest of their time there. Pull the plug now, move to CAA football and close the second level of the stadium for football games. I think that this might make some sense from a competitive point of view, but how much money would they actually save? Twenty scholarships which is less than a million dollars. I am sure that they could save on coaching salaries, as well, but that's probably not even a million more. Even if they could save $5 million by going to FCS, that's only $1.50 per resident of the state.
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Post by purplehaze on May 21, 2020 12:54:46 GMT -5
East Carolina joined the schools dropping sports effective immediately - M&W swimming/diving and M&W tennis also eliminated according to today's announcement.
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Post by hchoops on May 21, 2020 13:16:12 GMT -5
Big savings there ?
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Post by purplehaze on May 21, 2020 14:07:39 GMT -5
It would seem some of these schools have been handing out so much athletic aid in non-revenue sports irresponsibly - here's part of the ECU story:
'In an announcement Thursday, the school said the move would impact 68 student-athletes. The elimination of the programs, in addition to cuts in operations, limits to summer school opportunities for student-athletes and regionalized scheduling, will save $4.9 million.'
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Post by lou on May 21, 2020 14:11:24 GMT -5
So they drop sports, and student-athletes lose their schollies?
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Post by purplehaze on May 21, 2020 14:37:26 GMT -5
Usually the school would honor those commitments so the schollie savings are gradual - I am sure they try and find other schools for those athletes as soon as possible (Furman's announcement included a commitment to honor their schollies, even for incoming frosh)
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Post by HC92 on May 21, 2020 14:46:41 GMT -5
I can’t see any advantage to UConn to continuing to offer FBS football. With the move to the Big East, UConn has seemingly conceded that they are not getting a P5 invite. So, they’re going to be a bottom-feeder in FBS football for the rest of their time there. Pull the plug now, move to CAA football and close the second level of the stadium for football games. I think that this might make some sense from a competitive point of view, but how much money would they actually save? Twenty scholarships which is less than a million dollars. I am sure that they could save on coaching salaries, as well, but that's probably not even a million more. Even if they could save $5 million by going to FCS, that's only $1.50 per resident of the state. I think it would be more than $5M. A good CAA budget is probably $8M-$10M. Maybe JMU is a little more. UNH is probably less.
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Post by timholycross on May 21, 2020 14:59:27 GMT -5
Doesn't the guarantee football games they have lined up make a difference in what their outlook is going forward? FCS payoffs are important, but less.
They may be a patsy forever but a much more profitable one. Unlike Umass, they have a decent stadium so they can actually do 2 or 3 for 1s, not just play on the road.
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Post by Crucis#1 on May 21, 2020 15:31:15 GMT -5
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 21, 2020 16:11:23 GMT -5
PP: Do you know the dimensions of the field inside the track at Middlebury? Is it the size of a regulation Football field? Considering that each trust for the roof cost $2million dollars, what would have been the additional cost to replicate the Middlebury design? At one time there was a discussion of an indoor track facility that would be shared by several colleges in Worcester. Has that now been placed on the back burner or eliminated? The track at Middlebury is a 200 meter track. A track around a regulation football field is 400 meters. to fit a 400 meter track inside Luth would require at least four more trusses and a wider field. I am not aware of any indoor football practice facility that has a 400 meter track as part of the package You probably could have done it Univ of Michigan. But it would not have been a competitive track., not enough space for lanes.
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Post by hcgrad94 on May 21, 2020 17:07:13 GMT -5
300m track gets you a full FB field I think.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 21, 2020 18:03:50 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on May 21, 2020 18:55:44 GMT -5
Doesn't the guarantee football games they have lined up make a difference in what their outlook is going forward? FCS payoffs are important, but less. They may be a patsy forever but a much more profitable one. Unlike Umass, they have a decent stadium so they can actually do 2 or 3 for 1s, not just play on the road. Hadn’t thought about that. They could offset some losses by taking on more guarantee games. Looking out at future schedules, looks like they’ll collect roughly two checks per year which is not enough to make a dent in their deficit. They are writing a similar number of smaller checks to schools like HC, Lafayette and Maine who are getting guarantees from them. They have home and homes with schools like Syracuse, BC, Army, UMass, etc. The ones where it looks like UConn is getting paid: Ole Miss 2020 San Jose State 2020 Clemson 2021 UCF 2021 Michigan 2022 Tennessee 2023 Ohio State 2025 UNC 2026 (looks like part of a two-for-one or maybe a multi-sport deal with hoops)
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