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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on May 24, 2020 19:54:10 GMT -5
Wrong. There are indeed negotiations involved w/FB and BB games guarantees. Is it sometimes a "take it or leave it" - yes, but not in all cases, and sometimes even includes things such as accomodations when needed. Is my $200K-$250K the right ballpark for the BC guarantee? A bit north of that. Likely 300-350K.
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Post by rickii on May 24, 2020 19:54:20 GMT -5
Wrong. There are indeed negotiations involved w/FB and BB games guarantees. Is it sometimes a "take it or leave it" - yes, but not in all cases, and sometimes even includes things such as accomodations when needed. Hotels, meals, bus rentals, air travel etc,....are all factors. For BC those factors determine the guarantee they offer to a non local I-AA team. For a local team like HC, several of those factors do not apply and BC will offer a lower guarantee. Either way it’s BC’s money. Same with Syracuse and Colgate. Now, don’t think I don’t get that BC saw 40,000 fannies in the seats two years ago. Yes, that’s likely a ‘factor’ for BC in this....like maybe plus $25,000 kinda factor.
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Post by CHC8485 on May 24, 2020 20:35:56 GMT -5
Rick
Remember unlike many P5 schools, BC does not sell out on season tickets which is a huge.
And you're probably right, when the current 2 game series was negotiated by Dick Regan, he didn't have any leverage other than tradition to agree to a price and land the game. But, if you were Marcus Blossom last summer having just left BC as Senior Associate Director of Athletics for Business & Administration and were discussing another game, do you really think he didn't mention that in the prior 4 seasons (2015 - 2018) only 3 games (Clemson, Florida State and Notre Dame) drew larger crowds to BC than Holy Cross?
And I know it's BC, but if they are not willing to pay HC $50,000 or $100,000 more than your standard FCS team to get $300,000 or more in additional ticket revenue plus concessions, they are dumber than we make them out to be.
[EDIT] - You posted while I was typing. I do think $25,000 more than the standard FCS contract is probable, but think more is quite possible.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on May 24, 2020 21:03:40 GMT -5
There is no "standard" amount paid to 1AA schools by 1A's. It's different game to game, school to school, and opponent to opponent and the amount is driven by many factors. For example 1A Kansas got 200K to come to BC last year, and won.
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Post by CHC8485 on May 24, 2020 21:15:20 GMT -5
Should have said average guarantee contract BC pays to a generic FCS team.
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Post by longsuffering on May 24, 2020 21:35:44 GMT -5
I wonder if these two Jesuit Schools have an "Act of God" clause in their agreement for a game that is played but fans are barred from attending? If F. Donald Monan, SJ was still B.C. President, he and his sidekick Fr. Gronan would be Monan and Gronan over that if it was missing.
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Post by rgs318 on May 25, 2020 6:03:38 GMT -5
Ouch.
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Post by timholycross on May 25, 2020 9:33:28 GMT -5
Hey, BC gave Holy Cross a significant contribution (by 1969 standards) the year Holy Cross had to cancel their season after two games.
I know it was forever ago, but I don't feel like HC is going to get screwed in this sort of business transaction.
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Post by rickii on May 26, 2020 8:26:45 GMT -5
Hey, BC gave Holy Cross a significant contribution (by 1969 standards) the year Holy Cross had to cancel their season after two games. I know it was forever ago, but I don't feel like HC is going to get screwed in this sort of business transaction. I thought BC was bankrupt back then? NCAA permitted HC to play an 11th game in 1970 and Army stepped up along with $100,000. Of course Sacramento State really were special folks in aiding HC.
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Post by Tom on May 26, 2020 8:53:06 GMT -5
And I know it's BC, but if they are not willing to pay HC $50,000 or $100,000 more than your standard FCS team to get $300,000 or more in additional ticket revenue plus concessions, they are dumber than we make them out to be. That's quite a statement, because I enjoy making BC out to be really dumb
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Post by purplehaze on May 28, 2020 11:02:31 GMT -5
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Post by hc87 on May 28, 2020 11:41:15 GMT -5
Odd, the game is listed as being on in the FBS/FCS Future Schedules site....which seems to be a pretty reliable site over the years. I think the confusion may lie somewhat in that UConn added that game with Fresno before our game. fbschedules.com/ncaa/uconn/
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Post by timholycross on May 28, 2020 17:20:39 GMT -5
Too bad- UConn playing on 8/28 and then HC on 9/2 looked like a good opportunity.
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Post by hc87 on May 28, 2020 20:38:11 GMT -5
Yeah but that 9/2 (Thursday) could easily be moved to 9/4, no?
Looking at UConn's board, it looks like they may be trying to find another 2021 date for our game....who knows? In the grand scheme of things, UConn is a decent FBS opponent (local, not that great/chance to win, some history etc) but it wouldn't kill me if this game fell by the wayside like other FBS games such as BC, Navy, Syracuse etc
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Post by hcgrad94 on May 29, 2020 6:11:59 GMT -5
I know you're not saying you don't want us to play Uconn, but why would you not want us to ay UConn? That's exactly the type of BCS game we should be playing.
And I think they will find a new date in 2021 for the game. Local and winnable works for me.
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Post by hc87 on May 29, 2020 12:37:35 GMT -5
I know you're not saying you don't want us to play Uconn, but why would you not want us to ay UConn? That's exactly the type of BCS game we should be playing. And I think they will find a new date in 2021 for the game. Local and winnable works for me. Ehhh....they just don't bring (to me anyway) any pizzazz (to use a word no one undah 50 would use ) for our annual FBS game. BC, the storied rivalry. Army/Navy, the pageantry of a service academy game. Syracuse, playing an ACC team etc etc UConn is just like...meh....I know it's a different world today, but for years we stepped down to play them in football. I know we really aren't in a position to dictate what FBS teams we play these days but give me more BC/Navy/Syracuse and less UConn/Buffalo if at all possible.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on May 29, 2020 13:25:20 GMT -5
With you 87. I have zero interest in watching HC play arguably the worst 1A squad in the country. Win means little more than beating a decent 1AA, and a loss means still can't beat a horrendous 1A.
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Post by DFW HOYA on May 29, 2020 13:40:05 GMT -5
HC's schedules are, all in all, pretty good. Six of the seven PL schools seem to be able to build a coherent September schedule, and one seemingly can't find anyone--even after 20 years of playing in the league.
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Post by bfoley82 on May 29, 2020 19:50:44 GMT -5
Rick Remember unlike many P5 schools, BC does not sell out on season tickets which is a huge. And you're probably right, when the current 2 game series was negotiated by Dick Regan, he didn't have any leverage other than tradition to agree to a price and land the game. But, if you were Marcus Blossom last summer having just left BC as Senior Associate Director of Athletics for Business & Administration and were discussing another game, do you really think he didn't mention that in the prior 4 seasons (2015 - 2018) only 3 games (Clemson, Florida State and Notre Dame) drew larger crowds to BC than Holy Cross? And I know it's BC, but if they are not willing to pay HC $50,000 or $100,000 more than your standard FCS team to get $300,000 or more in additional ticket revenue plus concessions, they are dumber than we make them out to be. [EDIT] - You posted while I was typing. I do think $25,000 more than the standard FCS contract is probable, but think more is quite possible. BC could play Maine, Albany, Stony Brook, UNH, Bryant, Central Conn, Merrimack, Sacred Heart, URI, and I am probably missing more if Holy Cross doesn’t like the terms of the contract offered.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on May 29, 2020 20:50:49 GMT -5
HC's schedules are, all in all, pretty good. Six of the seven PL schools seem to be able to build a coherent September schedule, and one seemingly can't find anyone--even after 20 years of playing in the league. I’m of the belief that geography is SOMEWHAT to blame. DC is a longer road trip from most of the Ivies. The schools that are in close proximity are CAA teams like Delaware, Towson, JMU, Richmond and William & Mary who might not want to play at MSF. Villanova always plays the same in-state teams OOC. Then you have the HBCU like DSU, Morgan, Hampton and Howard who like to do their own thing. Duquesne, Bob Morris and St. Francis ever come up in scheduling conversation?
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Post by HC92 on May 29, 2020 21:54:12 GMT -5
Rick Remember unlike many P5 schools, BC does not sell out on season tickets which is a huge. And you're probably right, when the current 2 game series was negotiated by Dick Regan, he didn't have any leverage other than tradition to agree to a price and land the game. But, if you were Marcus Blossom last summer having just left BC as Senior Associate Director of Athletics for Business & Administration and were discussing another game, do you really think he didn't mention that in the prior 4 seasons (2015 - 2018) only 3 games (Clemson, Florida State and Notre Dame) drew larger crowds to BC than Holy Cross? And I know it's BC, but if they are not willing to pay HC $50,000 or $100,000 more than your standard FCS team to get $300,000 or more in additional ticket revenue plus concessions, they are dumber than we make them out to be. [EDIT] - You posted while I was typing. I do think $25,000 more than the standard FCS contract is probable, but think more is quite possible. BC could play Maine, Albany, Stony Brook, UNH, Bryant, Central Conn, Merrimack, Sacred Heart, URI, and I am probably missing more if Holy Cross doesn’t like the terms of the contract offered. If you accept the premise that BC will take in $300k more in ticket revenue plus additional $ for parking and concessions by playing HC rather than Maine, it would be better for BC to play HC than Maine as long as the guarantee to HC is less than $300k more than what they’d pay Maine.
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Post by longsuffering on May 29, 2020 23:19:14 GMT -5
I'll accept the premise that most were pleasantly surprised at how many HC fans turned out for the first BC-HC game in 32 years and hope it will be repeated. This season's game is a good opportunity for HC. We have Coach Chesney entering his third year at his third head coaching stop, all very successful. BC counters with former WPI Assistant Jeff Hafley, who like Brett Nelson has a sterling reputation as a career Assistant in both college and the NFL, but has never piloted his own eleven. With or without fans in the stands I hope Holy Cross football gets to continue it's revival in the 2020 season.
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Post by bfoley82 on May 30, 2020 3:32:46 GMT -5
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Post by bfoley82 on May 30, 2020 3:34:59 GMT -5
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Post by nycrusader2010 on May 30, 2020 7:07:01 GMT -5
Of course Orono is close to nowhere so you have to factor in overnight hotel stay. BC is a same-day round trip by bus for HC.
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