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Post by alum on May 8, 2020 8:10:46 GMT -5
Have any of our well connected posters heard anything about this year's admissions stats. I think that most colleges accepted an increased number of students. Do we know anything about those numbers or about yield?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 8, 2020 8:47:52 GMT -5
Why is that shocking?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 8, 2020 9:18:01 GMT -5
You had never heard of a student choosing Villanova over Holy Cross?
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Post by alum on May 8, 2020 9:23:43 GMT -5
Bumping my original question down to here so it doesn't get lost in the twentieth iteration of the Villanova/HC discussion
Have any of our well connected posters heard anything about this year's admissions stats. I think that most colleges accepted an increased number of students. Do we know anything about those numbers or about yield?
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Post by hcpride on May 8, 2020 9:58:21 GMT -5
You had never heard of a student choosing Villanova over Holy Cross? Next you'll be saying some kids pick BC over Holy Cross.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 8, 2020 10:06:36 GMT -5
Villanova is more competitive than HC.
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Post by hcpride on May 8, 2020 10:09:32 GMT -5
Villanova is more competitive than HC. Of course. I was kidding. And BC admissions are more competitive than HC too. (Both of those notions are a bit hard for some to come terms with.)
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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 8, 2020 10:12:40 GMT -5
Villanova is more competitive than HC. Of course. I was kidding. And BC admissions are more competitive than HC too. (Both of those notions are a bit hard for some to come terms with.) I knew you were. My post was directed towards RGS and 67 who seem surprised that a high school student would choose Villanova over HC.
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Post by CHC8485 on May 8, 2020 10:18:06 GMT -5
Villanova is more competitive than HC. Really? I've never seen that asserted here before. Any chance we can stay close to on topic for more than 2 posts? I get it wandering after 2 pages, but after 1 post we fly down an oft discussed rat hole that leads to a thoroughly beaten dead horse? Why don't you take rgs' lead and delete your responses as they add nothing to this topic? As to the question - Since we have not heard reports of HC extending the acceptance deposit a week past the May 1 deadline, perhaps we can infer that the class of 2024 at least met the expected numbers of acceptances? Not that not hearing means that the college did not extend the deadline. (A lot of NOTS in that sentence. Hope it makes sense!)
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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 8, 2020 10:22:27 GMT -5
I was responding to a post, 8485. Sorry.
I think HC's admissions stats related to where it stands relative to other peer colleges is germane to the discussion, so don't see a need to delete.
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Post by hcpride on May 8, 2020 10:40:29 GMT -5
Villanova is more competitive than HC. Really? I've never seen that asserted here before. Any chance we can stay close to on topic for more than 2 posts? I get it wandering after 2 pages, but after 1 post we fly down an oft discussed rat hole that leads to a thoroughly beaten dead horse? Why don't you take rgs' lead and delete your responses as they add nothing to this topic? As to the question - Since we have not heard reports of HC extending the acceptance deposit a week past the May 1 deadline, perhaps we can infer that the class of 2024 at least met the expected numbers of acceptances? Not that not hearing means that the college did not extend the deadline. (A lot of NOTS in that sentence. Hope it makes sense!) I haven't heard much concrete regarding generally extending deadlines (I did read the WSJ article and it mentioned a few schools) but I assumed/hoped a robust ED I and (new this year) ED II selection + an increased regular admission acceptances + the ability of HC to dip into the waitlist = no need to extend the decision deadline. VA Tech (I know it is not HC) ordinarily gets a large number of international full-payers and took a hit in that regard and I think (if I recall correctly) they were going to adjust to take more out-of-staters or something along those lines to try to make it up.
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Post by CHC8485 on May 8, 2020 10:46:55 GMT -5
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Post by hcpride on May 8, 2020 11:03:54 GMT -5
Once in a blue moon my assumption/hope is on target. Imagine the admissions/financial nightmare if a school extends their decision date and then runs completely thru their waiting list and still can't come up with the kids.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 8, 2020 11:28:53 GMT -5
As of mid-April, the number of acceptances were on target. Some accepted students have posed a question about their taking a gap year, in the context apparently of an alternative if the fall semester is not on-campus.
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Post by purplehaze on May 8, 2020 11:35:49 GMT -5
I'm surprised many of you don't realize the powerful (positive) effect Villanova's basketball program along with other (geographical-neighborhood/broad academic offerings) advantages have surged them past HC in terms of selectivity in the last decade - there is little dispute among most h.s. counselors although the separation is marginal I have heard from others here in Fairfield County about their experience with college admissions and right now BC and 'Nova are 'very hot' - HC not so much My personal experience with my daughter (good grades incl AP courses and 1400+ SAT) in 2019 was a rejection from BC, waitlist and eventual admission from 'Nova, and acceptance from HC
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Post by hcpride on May 8, 2020 12:38:11 GMT -5
I'm surprised many of you don't realize the powerful (positive) effect Villanova's basketball program along with other (geographical-neighborhood/broad academic offerings) advantages have surged them past HC in terms of selectivity in the last decade - there is little dispute among most h.s. counselors although the separation is marginal I have heard from others here in Fairfield County about their experience with college admissions and right now BC and 'Nova are 'very hot' - HC not so much My personal experience with my daughter (good grades incl AP courses and 1400+ SAT) in 2019 was a rejection from BC, waitlist and eventual admission from 'Nova, and acceptance from HC I think everybody knows that by now but it is apparently and mysteriously painful for one or two to see it in print here at Crossports. Personally, I had no issues when either BC or (later) Villanova became more competitive admissions-wise. Heck, I don't even mind if Northwestern or BU are more competitive admissions-wise. Totally different point and I am a big fan of Fordham but they must be really scrambling admissions-wise right now. Immersion in NYC (a great selling point up until five months ago IMHO) is likely off-putting for parents right now. I see at the link CHC8485 provided that they have extended student decision dates a full 30 days to June 1 and one imagines other moves are taking place as well.
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Post by hcgrad94 on May 8, 2020 12:51:04 GMT -5
Have any of our well connected posters heard anything about this year's admissions stats. I think that most colleges accepted an increased number of students. Do we know anything about those numbers or about yield? Not so sure schools had time to see what was coming with the pandemic and accept more kids. When you think about the timeline of the virus and when admissions decisions were sent out it all was coming together right around the same time. I think the advantage that schools like holy cross have in this climate is a real waiting list with kids who would gladly accept a spot if offered. There are many schools out there with no waiting list to speak of.
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Post by longsuffering on May 8, 2020 21:39:32 GMT -5
Probably most students and their parents will stick to their original plan for one additional semester and endure distance learning or mask wearing on campus, but after that something has to give if there isn't a cure and/or vaccination.
Worst case scenario is that antibodies only provide short term immunity and everybody is vulnerable to infection/re-infection for an extended time period.
The fall semester begins in less than four months. I feel no certainty that mask wearing won't still be required by then. Unless there is a breakthrough or antibodies do provide long term immunity and we achieve herd immunity quickly, it will be an interesting scenario at HC in September.
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Post by hc6774 on May 9, 2020 6:46:34 GMT -5
perhaps off topic...
For any residential school to open it has to be able to test & isolate its students & staff & coordinate with the local medical resources.
I think HC is in pretty good shape if the testing & medical resources are available.
But it doesn't answer the question of how many of students/staff will return.
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Post by lou on May 9, 2020 8:16:10 GMT -5
I was surprised to hear Cuomo the other day say that NY developed it's own test, better than the rest he thinks. Also saw a Memorial Sloan Kettering video which said they developed their own test very early in the pandemic, so apparently can be done and may be widespread
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Post by princetoncrusader on May 9, 2020 8:54:00 GMT -5
I'm surprised many of you don't realize the powerful (positive) effect Villanova's basketball program along with other (geographical-neighborhood/broad academic offerings) advantages have surged them past HC in terms of selectivity in the last decade - there is little dispute among most h.s. counselors although the separation is marginal I have heard from others here in Fairfield County about their experience with college admissions and right now BC and 'Nova are 'very hot' - HC not so much My personal experience with my daughter (good grades incl AP courses and 1400+ SAT) in 2019 was a rejection from BC, waitlist and eventual admission from 'Nova, and acceptance from HC I think everybody knows that by now but it is apparently and mysteriously painful for one or two to see it in print here at Crossports. Personally, I had no issues when either BC or (later) Villanova became more competitive admissions-wise. Heck, I don't even mind if Northwestern or BU are more competitive admissions-wise. Totally different point and I am a big fan of Fordham but they must be really scrambling admissions-wise right now. Immersion in NYC (a great selling point up until five months ago IMHO) is likely off-putting for parents right now. I see at the link CHC8485 provided that they have extended student decision dates a full 30 days to June 1 and one imagines other moves are taking place as well. A recent article in America Media reports that Fordham is facing a $100mm revenue shortfall this fiscal year, following partial refunds of tuition, room & board. Nice pic of Jack Coffey field in the article. www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2020/05/07/catholic-colleges-and-universities-fight-avert-fiscal-disaster-amid
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Post by hcpride on May 9, 2020 9:01:22 GMT -5
Very interesting, thanks.
“ In a university-wide email on May 5, the Rev. Joseph M. McShane, S.J., president of Fordham University, announced a projected revenue shortfall of nearly $100 million for fiscal year 2020. The revenue loss is, in part, tied to the university’s decision “to refund 50 percent of room, board and select student fees this spring.” “
“ The email states that Fordham cannot use endowment funding to make up for revenue lost, as that funding is designated for scholarships and other programmatic purposes. Father McShane announced that the university expects to see a 12 percent decrease in enrollment in September from the previous fall semester.”
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Post by hchoops on May 9, 2020 9:25:48 GMT -5
The article referenced is from the Jesuit magazine, AmericA
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Post by longsuffering on May 9, 2020 10:55:11 GMT -5
Informative article. 1) How do you climb out of a $100 million dollar hole for just one year without being able to use your endowment? and 2) The article could have been written without mentioning the Fordham Senior's gender identity choice as they/them by simply substituting the student's last or first name the one time the word "they" was used. But the author and editor chose to report the identity choice even though the student's comments were relevant regardless of gender.
I wish They well and found Them's comments helpful but I don't think I would have mentioned gender in the context of the article about Covid-19's devestating effect on Catholic colleges. Not that there's anything wrong with it, as Jerry and George used to say on Seinfeld.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 9, 2020 11:27:06 GMT -5
Informative article. 1) How do you climb out of a $100 million dollar hole for just one year without being able to use your endowment? and 2) The article could have been written without mentioning the Fordham Senior's gender identity choice as they/them by simply substituting the student's last or first name the one time the word "they" was used. But the author and editor chose to report the identity choice even though the student's comments were relevant regardless of gender. I wish They well and found Them's comments helpful but I don't think I would have mentioned gender in the context of the article about Covid-19's devestating effect on Catholic colleges. Not that there's anything wrong with it, as Jerry and George used to say on Seinfeld. Holy Cross, and other universities and colleges, have a multi-million dollar line of credit. Holy Cross' is $15 million, which is more than enough to cover the anticipated shortfall for fiscal year 2020, which ends in about seven weeks. Fordham does not publicly publish its audited financial statements; another party published the statement for fiscal 2017; Fordham had an unsecured line of credit amounting to $20 million. An amount clearly insufficient to cover a <$100 million shortfall.
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