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Post by matunuck on Jun 2, 2021 19:36:16 GMT -5
We shouldn’t have to. People are paid to do such things. 😀
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Post by higheredguy on Jun 3, 2021 9:52:51 GMT -5
We shouldn’t have to. People are paid to do such things. 😀 Fully agree with you there! Maybe an email will make them aware of their slowness in comparison to peer institutions!
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 3, 2021 10:42:51 GMT -5
Here you go. Drew Carter, Sr. Associate Director of Admission will discuss the College application and financial processes and how to navigate your way through them. Listen in with your teen! Time Jun 12, 2021 11:00 AM in Eastern Time (US and Canada) holycross.zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_CxJoYz1TTnC3a87AMrQ-hgAs you register, you can ask a question for Mr. Carter. See this on the form: Question for the presenter?
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Post by hcpride on Jun 4, 2021 8:33:15 GMT -5
We shouldn’t have to. People are paid to do such things. 😀 I’m assuming if HC Admissions had great news they’d want to broadcast it early and often (as we saw Colgate and some other schools do this year). But even schools with dips in applications have put that number and an admit rate out there.
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Post by matunuck on Jun 4, 2021 9:15:20 GMT -5
We've always been sloth-like in updating our numbers (and even when we do the info released is very limited) but this year it's worse -- so your point is likely spot on.
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Post by mm67 on Jun 4, 2021 9:39:08 GMT -5
Another example of black smoke & white smoke as the impassioned crowd awaits with bated breath in the square for a decision by HC. The Church moves at its own deliberate pace oblivious to the yapping by the outside world. And, who says Holy Cross is not a Roman Catholic school? Go 'saders.
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Post by higheredguy on Jul 2, 2021 10:37:15 GMT -5
Still no news?
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Post by mm67 on Jul 2, 2021 12:33:10 GMT -5
The intense interest in HC by the alums is proof positive of our love for the school. HC must have been doing something right. Would that future applicants wou this board. They will see. Posters are great!
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 3, 2021 13:09:49 GMT -5
If I recall the number correctly, HC expects 2,916 students in Worcester for the fall semester. The number appeared as the N value for the vaccination challenge. (N is important because the 80 percent vaccinated and 90 percent vaccinated are calculated against N.) As of July 1, 60 percent of the students enrolling for Worcester had been vaccinated.
As such, the N number would not include students studying abroad, or taking part in the New York or DC semester. Those students admitted to the class of 2024 who took a gap year are being reclassified as class of 2025.
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Post by higheredguy on Jul 3, 2021 13:15:43 GMT -5
If I recall the number correctly, HC expects 2,916 students in Worcester for the fall semester. The number appeared as the N value for the vaccination challenge. (N is important because the 80 percent vaccinated and 90 percent vaccinated are calculated against N.) As of July 1, 60 percent of the students enrolling for Worcester had been vaccinated. As such, the N number would not include students studying abroad, or taking part in the New York or DC semester. Those students admitted to the class of 2024 who took a gap year are being reclassified as class of 2025. Nice sleuthing! I wonder how many are part of the semester and study abroad programs? Do we think HC is sitting around a 3K student body? I seem to recall it being around 3200 a couple of years ago.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 3, 2021 13:49:20 GMT -5
^^^ ADNP calculated the Title IX reports based on Worcester enrollment. ADMB continues using that method. (May increase the M in the M:F ratio.) Worcester enrollment in the Title IX reports was typically between 2900-2950, while total enrollment rand about 200 students higher.
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Post by hcpride on Jul 3, 2021 16:14:55 GMT -5
Don't know where to put this but our Patriot League friends Colgate are doubling down on their whopping admissions successes this year: Today [June 1, 2021], Colgate University announced the Colgate Commitment: An Initiative in Access and Affordability. The new policy provides full tuition support for the lowest-income students, aligns income and tuition costs for families with incomes between $80,000 and $150,000, and expands the no-loan initiative to $150,000, beginning with the Class of 2026.
The announcement comes on the heels of Colgate’s record-breaking admission season, which saw a 104% increase in applications for the Class of 2025. This increase is attributable to a variety of factors, including the no-loan initiative, which replaces federal loans with Colgate grants in aid packages. The initiative launched in fall 2020 for students with family incomes up to $125,000, a level that impacted 474 students.
For families with annual income levels of $80,000 or less, Colgate will be fully tuition free. This move puts Colgate in a small group of universities — including Brown, Duke, Harvard, and Stanford — that publicly pledge to be tuition free for their lowest-income students...
Families with annual income levels between $80,000 and $125,000 will, on average, now pay just 5% of their income toward tuition. Families with annual income levels between $125,000 and $150,000 will, on average, pay 10% of their income toward tuition. (All levels of the Colgate Commitment assume typical asset levels for those incomes.)...
The Admitted Student Survey and a preliminary analysis of the impact of the no-loan policy revealed that 78% of no-loan–eligible students who chose Colgate believed their financial aid offers were superior to that of their other choices. Of that group, 60% indicated that Colgate’s value was far superior to their other options... www.colgate.edu/news/stories/colgate-university-launches-colgate-commitment
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Post by newfieguy74 on Jul 3, 2021 17:10:21 GMT -5
This is an aggressive and laudable approach by Colgate. Isn't HC's endowment about the same size? Could we do this?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 3, 2021 17:19:05 GMT -5
Need to read Colgate's announcement with care. For example, Harvard costs $0 for those with family incomes of $65,000 or less. For the class of 2025, that's 20.7% of the class. Colgate still charges room & board and fees, regardless of income. For 2021-22, that's $16,000. Even Harvard is having difficulty keeping M:F ratio at 50/50. And Whites are now a plurality.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 3, 2021 17:21:32 GMT -5
This is an aggressive and laudable approach by Colgate. Isn't HC's endowment about the same size? Could we do this? Colgate's endowment in 2020 was $1.14B HC's was $760M.
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Post by hcpride on Jul 3, 2021 17:58:17 GMT -5
This is an aggressive and laudable approach by Colgate. Isn't HC's endowment about the same size? Could we do this? I thought the same thing as going 'no loan' for incoming kids last year and now tuition-free for a good percentage of the kids (and low tuition for another good percentage) is a bold move in the competitive world of LACs. Their letter suggests loan-free was helpful in landing that monster number of applicants (doubtlessly there were other reasons) last cycle. A follow-on letter extended loan-free to all current students. And they just brought in their first group of QuestBridge kids. While we don't necessarily compete for the same kids they do, it might provide some ideas for HC.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Jul 3, 2021 18:12:46 GMT -5
Exactly. And haven't we had posts indicating that HC's endowment has hit, or was about to hit, 1B?
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 4, 2021 11:36:56 GMT -5
Need to read Colgate's announcement with care. For example, Harvard costs $0 for those with family incomes of $65,000 or less. For the class of 2025, that's 20.7% of the class. Colgate still charges room & board and fees, regardless of income. For 2021-22, that's $16,000. Even Harvard is having difficulty keeping M:F ratio at 50/50. And Whites are now a plurality. Which leaves white males less than a quarter of the student body. The "Harvard Man" has gone the way of the "Marlboro Man". Which is fine because as the saying goes: "You can always tell a Harvard Man, you just can't tell him much".
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Post by higheredguy on Jul 6, 2021 19:53:35 GMT -5
I ran into an HC professor today while out and about and they were under the impression that the incoming class was around the 850 mark.
Pure hearsay on my part, but if that's true, it appears HC did well considering covid circumstances..
I'm betting that number includes the deferrals from last year previously mentioned.
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Post by hcpride on Jul 6, 2021 20:35:45 GMT -5
/\ /\ I don’t think there ever was a doubt we would fill our slots - my concern is applicant numbers (ED and RD), acceptance rate, and quality of accepted/enrolled students. Still waiting on that data.
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Post by matunuck on Jul 6, 2021 21:36:30 GMT -5
/\ /\ I don’t think there ever was a doubt we would fill our slots - my concern is applicant numbers (ED and RD), acceptance rate, and quality of accepted/enrolled students. Still waiting on that data. Exactly. Astounding how slow HC is in updating such information. Every year it’s the same sloth-like pace.
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Post by matunuck on Sept 23, 2021 8:39:01 GMT -5
6500 total apps for our latest class with 43 percent admit rate -- last year 38 percent. Pretty clear to me that we have been drifting in a not so great direction. It's reflected in our complete inability to grow our app numbers relative to others who have done so and our rankings which have generally declined. Be nice to know what our new president plans to do about it.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Sept 23, 2021 8:44:57 GMT -5
Anyone care to speculate regarding the root cause of this dilemma?
Any suggestions to remedy this issue, and to grow the applicant numbers?
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Post by purplehaze on Sept 23, 2021 8:58:02 GMT -5
A growing secularized society and plenty of woke attacks on traditional Christianity that go unanswered - I am sure the admissions office is working on a new strategy to increase apps but it’s going to be a challenge - maybe including a reduction in the charge for applying
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Post by newfieguy74 on Sept 23, 2021 9:18:44 GMT -5
I just re-read Chu Chu's post from May 13. He was spot on. I don't think the problem is insuperable but the time for action is now. I hope PVR is the right man--I think he is.
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