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Post by rgs318 on Sept 4, 2020 7:58:27 GMT -5
Dr. Byerly did not get Dr. Fauci's memo about clarity of thought and economy of expression. Dr. Dorenkamp introduced me to that concept when he returned the first paper I ever submitted in college, with 80% of the words crossed out. Dr Fauci is one of the best speakers of the English language that I have heard--clear, to the point, parsimonious with his words, a great communicator. longsuffering, I still remember the first course in my doctoral program. Our task was to read a book on the social history of the United States. We were then to summarize all of its main points in a one page essay. For the second week, we were given back our paper and told to summarize all of the main points in one paragraph of not more than 100 words. There was great grumbling, since many of us had learned to earn grades by the sheer volume of our answers. The third and final part was to summarize all of the main points of that paragraph in one sentence...three students dropped out of the program. It swas a valuable learning experience...useful in today's world.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 4, 2020 10:30:32 GMT -5
Great story. Was it Harry Truman who said something along the lines of "I would have made it shorter if I had the time", referring to a speech or paper..
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Post by newfieguy74 on Sept 4, 2020 11:52:58 GMT -5
Great story. Was it Harry Truman who said something along the lines of "I would have made it shorter if I had the time", referring to a speech or paper.. I could be wrong but I thought it was Mark Twain who, in a letter to a friend said (paraphrase): "I apologize for the length of this letter, but I didn't have time to write a short one."
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 4, 2020 13:25:19 GMT -5
I will bet that you are correct—-thanks for setting the record straight
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 20, 2020 17:49:41 GMT -5
Enrollment stats from the most recent issue of HC magazine
Applications: 7200, highest in five years. Acceptances: 2464 Enrolled: 823 Acceptance rate: 34%, lowest in five years Yield: 34%, highest in five years. Combined mean SAT: 1344, highest in five years
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 20, 2020 18:29:25 GMT -5
You are putting out quite a challenge to our analysts with these data that look positive ON THE SURFACE. I think we’ll soon hear that this is proof of the imminent demise of the College.....
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Post by matunuck on Oct 20, 2020 18:38:55 GMT -5
Enrollment stats from the most recent issue of HC magazine Applications: 7200, highest in five years. Acceptances: 2464 Enrolled: 823 Acceptance rate: 34%, lowest in five years Yield: 34%, highest in five years. Combined mean SAT: 1344, highest in five years Sure those aren’t class of 2023 numbers?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 20, 2020 19:07:45 GMT -5
Enrollment stats from the most recent issue of HC magazine Applications: 7200, highest in five years. Acceptances: 2464 Enrolled: 823 Acceptance rate: 34%, lowest in five years Yield: 34%, highest in five years. Combined mean SAT: 1344, highest in five years Sure those aren’t class of 2023 numbers? You are correct. Looking at the CDS, the 2020 numbers are for the class that entered in the fall of 2019. Don't ask me why HC would publish year-old enrollment numbers. I do recall HC saying in June that applications were just a tiny bit higher for the class entering in the fall of 2020 than for the class entering in 2019.
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Post by matunuck on Oct 20, 2020 19:28:27 GMT -5
No worries. HC moves at glacial speed when it comes to updating data.
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 20, 2020 22:20:48 GMT -5
I wonder what the employment stats for the class of 2020 are?
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Post by princetoncrusader on Oct 21, 2020 13:45:21 GMT -5
What portion of the enrolled students submitted SAT scores? Self selection bias at work?
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Post by matunuck on Oct 27, 2020 8:24:31 GMT -5
From HC website:
Nearly 7,100 students applied for admission to the Class of 2024, and 38 percent were admitted. The enrolled incoming class consists of 42 percent males and 58 percent females and is evenly divided between public and private high schools (50 percent and 50 percent, respectively). The new class is made up of 735 students, 19 percent of whom are from diverse ethnic and racial backgrounds.
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Post by purplehaze on Oct 27, 2020 11:02:53 GMT -5
The 735 number is lower by about 100 from the previous classes - was this a 'miss' on their frosh enrollment goal or an intentional reduction to keep the total student body around 3000 ? Also, the male/female split is something I've never seen before at HC, but very common at many schools.
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Post by hcbball on Oct 27, 2020 12:15:38 GMT -5
The 735 number is lower by about 100 from the previous classes - was this a 'miss' on their frosh enrollment goal or an intentional reduction to keep the total student body around 3000 ? Also, the male/female split is something I've never seen before at HC, but very common at many schools. If their acceptance rate went up to 38% from 34%, I doubt the lower enrollment was intentional. I would think the higher acceptance, which could be disappointing for some, would suggest the opposite. Perhaps their covid response had an impact.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 27, 2020 14:47:19 GMT -5
The 735 number is lower by about 100 from the previous classes - was this a 'miss' on their frosh enrollment goal or an intentional reduction to keep the total student body around 3000 ? Also, the male/female split is something I've never seen before at HC, but very common at many schools. I believe that number does not include students who are taking a gap year. IIRC, that is somewhere around 80 students. These students will be in the class of 2025, which will probably be a class of 870-900.
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Post by matunuck on Nov 17, 2020 9:13:52 GMT -5
Yield down for class of 2024 but not a surprise. From HC website:
Admissions Class of 2024 Total %
Applicants 7,087 Accepted 2,689 38% Enrolled 735 27% *
Middle 50% of test scores Range SAT- Math 640-710 SAT - Reading and Writing 650-720 ACT- Composite 29-32
* Figure has been negatively impacted by the substantial campus closure in fall 2020 created by the COVID-19 pandemic and is not typical of Holy Cross.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 17, 2020 9:39:37 GMT -5
Yield down for class of 2024 but not a surprise. From HC website: Admissions Class of 2024 Total % Applicants 7,087 Accepted 2,689 38% Enrolled 735 27% * Middle 50% of test scores Range SAT- Math 640-710 SAT - Reading and Writing 650-720 ACT- Composite 29-32 * Figure has been negatively impacted by the substantial campus closure in fall 2020 created by the COVID-19 pandemic and is not typical of Holy Cross. Looks like our applicants are down (slightly) and our acceptance rate is up (from 34%-38%) and our yield is down (34% to 27%) from last year. Without seeing our competitors, those numbers aren't particularly disappointing. I am a bit concerned about early and regular applications for the incoming class since our campus was/is essentially closed and our competitors (PC, BC, Fordham, etc.) were/are essentially open. (Early I deadline was Nov. 15... Early II and regular deadline is 15 January.) May not be a (comparatively) good look for potential applicants. We'll see.
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Post by hc6774 on Nov 17, 2020 10:46:04 GMT -5
Yield down for class of 2024 but not a surprise. From HC website: Admissions Class of 2024 Total % Applicants 7,087 Accepted 2,689 38% Enrolled 735 27% * Middle 50% of test scores Range SAT- Math 640-710 SAT - Reading and Writing 650-720 ACT- Composite 29-32 * Figure has been negatively impacted by the substantial campus closure in fall 2020 created by the COVID-19 pandemic and is not typical of Holy Cross. From February report to HCAA Early Decision Process ...‘used 2 ED dates for first time’
Applications - 500 Accepted – 400
other comments ... ‘not a needy group'... 'significant number recruited athletes’... ‘want to yield 425 from regular application process’
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Post by alum on Nov 17, 2020 10:56:19 GMT -5
Yield down for class of 2024 but not a surprise. From HC website: Admissions Class of 2024 Total % Applicants 7,087 Accepted 2,689 38% Enrolled 735 27% * Middle 50% of test scores Range SAT- Math 640-710 SAT - Reading and Writing 650-720 ACT- Composite 29-32 * Figure has been negatively impacted by the substantial campus closure in fall 2020 created by the COVID-19 pandemic and is not typical of Holy Cross. Looks like our applicants are down (slightly) and our acceptance rate is up (from 34%-38%) and our yield is down (34% to 27%) from last year. Without seeing our competitors, those numbers aren't particularly disappointing. I am a bit concerned about early and regular applications for the incoming class since our campus was/is essentially closed and our competitors (PC, BC, Fordham, etc.) were/are essentially open. (Early I deadline was Nov. 15... Early II and regular deadline is 15 January.) May not be a (comparatively) good look for potential applicants. We'll see. Virtually all campuses, including the three you mention, are closed to all visitors. There are no tours and no admissions interviews. I am sure that some people walk in and walk around on their own, but that would be it. I suppose that those colleges willingness to stay open for on campus living for the majority of students might be reassuring to some kids who worry that this nightmare will never end.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 17, 2020 11:05:05 GMT -5
Looks like our applicants are down (slightly) and our acceptance rate is up (from 34%-38%) and our yield is down (34% to 27%) from last year. Without seeing our competitors, those numbers aren't particularly disappointing. I am a bit concerned about early and regular applications for the incoming class since our campus was/is essentially closed and our competitors (PC, BC, Fordham, etc.) were/are essentially open. (Early I deadline was Nov. 15... Early II and regular deadline is 15 January.) May not be a (comparatively) good look for potential applicants. We'll see. Virtually all campuses, including the three you mention, are closed to all visitors. There are no tours and no admissions interviews. I am sure that some people walk in and walk around on their own, but that would be it. I suppose that those colleges willingness to stay open for on campus living for the majority of students might be reassuring to some kids who worry that this nightmare will never end. I was not referencing the ability (or lack thereof) to physically walk around the campus as a prospective applicant. More in terms of your last sentence. (I have 2 kids of my own in college, I’m knee deep in college recommendations for the kids I teach, and agree this is not a time for visitors on campus)
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 17, 2020 14:06:54 GMT -5
From my notes on a webinar:
When HC intended to invite everyone to be on campus for fall semester, HC expected 850 first years, and 3190 total enrollment
After HC moved to severely restricting on-campus residency, and allowed a gap year for incoming freshmen, and allowed upperclassmen to withdraw for a year. 735 first years and 2992 total enrollment
A melt of 115 first years and 83 upperclassmen. HC had feared the shrinkage would be 10 percent or more.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 20, 2020 10:49:27 GMT -5
By way of limited comparison to two significant applicant overlap schools
Fordham does post this regarding their enrolled 2024 kids: High School GPA: 3.64; SAT Middle 50%: 1240–1400; ACT Composite Middle 50%: 28–32
Boston College notes this regarding their enrolled 2024 kids: “The 2,408 members of the Class of 2024 were selected from 29,382 applicants, an acceptance rate of 26 percent that is in line with classes of recent years, including 2023 (27 percent) and 2022 (28 percent). The average SAT score for the class, 1397, is the second-highest in University history after last year’s (1412), said Gosselin, while the average ACT score, 32, equals that for the Class of 2023.”
(Couldn’t find any info on PC).
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Post by princetoncrusader on Nov 21, 2020 9:46:05 GMT -5
Disappointing to see that BC is now more selective than HC. How the times have changed!
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Post by hcpride on Nov 21, 2020 10:27:57 GMT -5
Disappointing to see that BC is now more selective than HC. How the times have changed! It must be the Flutie effect! I was interested to see how some of their (and our other major cross applicant schools such as PC and Fordham ) stats may have already changed given the Covid-cloud...obviously there is much more to come on that front.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Nov 21, 2020 18:42:22 GMT -5
Boston College notes this regarding their enrolled 2024 kids: “The 2,408 members of the Class of 2024 were selected from 29,382 applicants, an acceptance rate of 26 percent that is in line with classes of recent years, including 2023 (27 percent) and 2022 (28 percent). The average SAT score for the class, 1397, is the second-highest in University history after last year’s (1412), said Gosselin, while the average ACT score, 32, equals that for the Class of 2023.” With these numbers, BC's yield is just over 30% (accepted 7,640, enrolled 2,408). Figuring early decision into the mix (that yield 100% by rule), their yield on regular applications is just 20 percent. Put another way, four of five BC admits in April go somewhere else.
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