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Post by hcpride on Jul 5, 2020 16:46:22 GMT -5
I hope you donāt get COVID. Itās a horrible disease in many cases. If you do, maybe it will feel like the seasonal flu. But maybe not. I know a woman (supposedly women are much less susceptible than men to COVID), 45 (comparatively young), strong (ran the NY Marathon last Fall). Sheās been suffering for almost three months. Has been hospitalized, has numerous symptoms, canāt work, and more. This is no joke. You do not want to get this. If you donāt care for yourself, you should care for other people. Remember āmen and women for othersā. I seem to have heard that somewhere... Seasonal flu can - and does - kill. Maybe not too many college kids but they can spread it to other folks who are vulnerable. I'm not suggesting that is a reason to cancel college and college sports this fall or even during flu season.
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 5, 2020 16:59:48 GMT -5
I seem to remember that seasonal flu deprived HC of our best ball carrier at the start of last season...and when recovered he went lo to become the PL offensive player of the year.
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Post by spenser on Jul 5, 2020 16:59:52 GMT -5
I hope you donāt get COVID. Itās a horrible disease in many cases. If you do, maybe it will feel like the seasonal flu. But maybe not. I know a woman (supposedly women are much less susceptible than men to COVID), 45 (comparatively young), strong (ran the NY Marathon last Fall). Sheās been suffering for almost three months. Has been hospitalized, has numerous symptoms, canāt work, and more. This is no joke. You do not want to get this. If you donāt care for yourself, you should care for other people. Remember āmen and women for othersā. I seem to have heard that somewhere... Thank you Spense. All good points. I practice good hygiene. Donāt drink alcohol, donāt smoke. Exercise daily. Am largely respectful of others and their opinions. Understand this virus can be fatal....so can the flu. I am skeptical of the metrics being used and the moving definitions used to tally āpositive testsā . Similarly the manner in which deaths are counted in spite of other maladies. The Medicare bonus $$$ paid to hospitals which admit positive cases is an obvious conflict in my opinion. All that being said, I wish nobody harm or ill will. God Bless and Go Cross š. Hoping we can celebrate back to back PL Championships. š
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Post by joe on Jul 5, 2020 17:07:48 GMT -5
Thereās a vaccine for the flu, which, imperfect as it may be, greatly protects the vulnerable. Until thereās a vaccine for C19, maybe some nonessential activities like team and contact sports should continue to be put on hold.
Most of the folks who call out the elderly and immunocompromised as sheep either have been lucky to go through life without developing medical conditions causing immunocompromise, or have never been the primary care giver of someone with immunocompromise, or have never had to put on PPE and walk into an ICU at their own peril to suction the airway of someone on a ventilator dying of this disease.
Fortunately in MA, there is a large portion of smart people playing it safe so weāre doing OK no matter how you analyze the data.
In my opinion, since there is still significant uncertainty, leagues should pull the plug on the fall sports season and start thinking creatively about some alternatives.
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Post by hcpride on Jul 5, 2020 18:11:48 GMT -5
Thereās a vaccine for the flu, which, imperfect as it may be, greatly protects the vulnerable. Until thereās a vaccine for C19, maybe some nonessential activities like team and contact sports should continue to be put on hold. Most of the folks who call out the elderly and immunocompromised as sheep either have been lucky to go through life without developing medical conditions causing immunocompromise, or have never been the primary care giver of someone with immunocompromise, or have never had to put on PPE and walk into an ICU at their own peril to suction the airway of someone on a ventilator dying of this disease. Fortunately in MA, there is a large portion of smart people playing it safe so weāre doing OK no matter how you analyze the data. In my opinion, since there is still significant uncertainty, leagues should pull the plug on the fall sports season and start thinking creatively about some alternatives. No. Some years the flu 'vaccine' gives absolutely no protection to the vulnerable: During years when the flu vaccine is not well matched to circulating influenza viruses, it is possible that little or no benefit from flu vaccination may be observed. www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm How about the years when the vaccine is a perfect match?: Recent studies show flu vaccine can reduce the risk of flu illness by between 40% and 60% among the overall population during seasons when most circulating flu viruses are well matched to the flu vaccine viruses. www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm Millions in the US can get seasonal flu and tens of thousands die each year. As a matter of fact, those numbers are not at all unusual. Again, it is true that college kids who get the seasonal flu do not tend to die of the flu but they can certainly pass it on to those who are more vulnerable. (Seasonal flu has an identical mode of transmission with Covid 19: respiratory droplets and surface contact...and both cause respiratory disease, which presents as a wide range of illness from asymptomatic or mild through to severe disease and death.) I am not suggesting that seasonal flu is a reason to close down a college or cancel a season.. There are probably some who think otherwise (especially in light of the Covid-19 response and perhaps those who have had elderly or immunocompromised family members and friends die of complications brought on by the seasonal flu).
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Post by joe on Jul 5, 2020 18:18:06 GMT -5
Thereās a vaccine for the flu, which, imperfect as it may be, greatly protects the vulnerable. As I said the flu vaccine is not perfect but over time it is confers a significant benefit to the population, especially the most vulnerable.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 5, 2020 18:22:28 GMT -5
It is now time for all people regardless of age or morbidities to start using masks during the flu season. Masks will decrease the transmission of the flu virus. The use of masks seem to be effective in Japan.
I want freedom as well. However, I define my freedom as not having to get germs unnecessarily from someone else. Just like I do not want to smell their second hand smoke.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 5, 2020 18:57:35 GMT -5
As I understand the alum from the class of '62.
1.) The vaccine will not be a sterilizing vaccine, i.e., it will not prevent re-infection. 2.) The goal is for a vaccine that produces a sufficient antibody response that a first-time infection or a re-infection will not be severe enough to require medical care. 3.) Most people who were infected and were asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic have antibody levels that are too low to prevent re-infection. 4.) The vaccine is intended to produce antibody levels above those seen in recovered COVID patients. 5.) How long the vaccine will be effective is unknown. [It could be like the old shingles vaccine which after five years or so, IIRC, was only 20 percent effective at preventing shingles.] 6.) The greatest risk of transmission is from asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic individuals passing it on to older family members, close associates, etc., who, because of age and/or co-morbities, are at substantially higher risk for serious infection and hospitalization. 7.) The average age of positive cases currently is about 15 years younger than the average age in the first several months of the pandemic. 8.) Massachusetts has done very, very well in reducing cases, as has New York City. With phase 3 beginning in Massachusetts on June 6, cases numbers are invariably going to increase. 9.) The key metric is to hold the percentage of positive tests to low single digits, e.g., two percent. 10.) Bars are a significant source of infection spread in those states now seeing a surge. 11.) The current surge in several regions is still part of the first wave in the U.S. Unlike western Europe, the U.S., as a whole, did not drive the rate of infections low enough because it was a 'soft' lockdown in about half the country, and once those often limited restrictions were lifted, the infection has taken off. _________ Not from the alumnus. A.) Those with blood group A are at significantly higher risk for serious illness than individuals with other blood types. A hypothesis is that blood group A individuals have immune systems that respond more aggressively to infections, and the serious illness is induced by the immune system's over-response to COVID infection. Blood type A is most common type in much of western continental Europe, west of Russia. Interestingly, blood type O is far and away the most common type in Iceland, which has extraordinarily low morbidity and mortality rates. PP's hypothesis: individuals with A type blood at greater risk presently would, once vaccinated, potentially respond better to a re-infection than individuals with other blood types. B.) The risk of indoor spread is much higher than spread outdoors. C.) When the health care system becomes overwhelmed by cases, then there are fewer successful interventions in a timely manner, and the mortality rate will increase because of triage or insufficient capacity.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jul 5, 2020 19:12:09 GMT -5
Maybe move the medical talk to thread in general discussion- which is where it belongs.
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Post by hc2020 on Jul 5, 2020 19:24:21 GMT -5
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Post by hiltonheadcrusader on Jul 5, 2020 20:10:32 GMT -5
As I understand the alum from the class of '62. 8.) Massachusetts has done very, very well in reducing cases, as has New York City. With phase 3 beginning in Massachusetts on June 6, cases numbers are invariably going to increase. Any idea if this reduction coincides with the halt of moving infected patients into nursing homes where they lived with the MOST VULNERABLE? I do not know if it is criminal or just plain ignorance on the part of all involved in those decisions in MA, NY, NJ, PA and I am sure others... If nothing else, I guess they learned, if they stop killing people, then there are less deaths. Baker, Cuomo, Murphy & Wolf.......Literally Murderers Row
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Post by unhfan on Jul 5, 2020 21:10:24 GMT -5
What an ignorant little man! You canāt have been educated at Holy Cross and be that arrogant and hateful. You must be one of those people that believes a certain person who is bragging that virus is not a big deal in 99% of people. I guess itās true that a college degree doesnāt guarantee intelligence! I hope you and your family do not get this horrible disease but Iām sure you wonāt cause your a big tough guy not a sheep. Give me a break!
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 5, 2020 23:32:41 GMT -5
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Post by bfoley82 on Jul 6, 2020 1:40:20 GMT -5
The health of students should be the first priority...the athlete part isnāt even important.
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Post by hcpride on Jul 6, 2020 3:56:49 GMT -5
/\ Given the science and data of Covid -19, I canāt see the argument that kids lives are more in danger off campus than on. (Colleges seem to by and large agree -their hasty response last fall notwithstanding)
The fall back argument to keeping campuses closed due to Covid-19 is one that imagines kids spreading Covid-19 amongst each other and then spreading it to an elderly person with ill health (or spreading it to someone who spreads it to someone who spreads it to that elderly person of ill health) that subsequently dies of it.
That fall back argument, whether utilized to close campuses for seasonal flu or Covid-19, is simply unpersuasive.
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Post by hiltonheadcrusader on Jul 6, 2020 5:10:55 GMT -5
What an ignorant little man! You canāt have been educated at Holy Cross and be that arrogant and hateful. You must be one of those people that believes a certain person who is bragging that virus is not a big deal in 99% of people. I guess itās true that a college degree doesnāt guarantee intelligence! I hope you and your family do not get this horrible disease but Iām sure you wonāt cause your a big tough guy not a sheep. Give me a break! Thank you and best wishes to you also
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 6, 2020 7:19:25 GMT -5
As I understand the alum from the class of '62. 8.) Massachusetts has done very, very well in reducing cases, as has New York City. With phase 3 beginning in Massachusetts on June 6, cases numbers are invariably going to increase. Any idea if this reduction coincides with the halt of moving infected patients into nursing homes where they lived with the MOST VULNERABLE? I do not know if it is criminal or just plain ignorance on the part of all involved in those decisions in MA, NY, NJ, PA and I am sure others... If nothing else, I guess they learned, if they stop killing people, then there are less deaths. Baker, Cuomo, Murphy & Wolf.......Literally Murderers Row Dr. Fauci was referring to number of cases, not deaths. Don't conflate the two. As for COVID-19 deaths related to nursing homes, in New York State 21% of COVID deaths are related to nursing homes. In South Carolina, the percentage is 46 percent. Georgia 45 percent, Florida 52 percent. Massachusetts is 64 percent. In New Jersey and Massachusetts, there were too many instances of virulent outbreaks among institutionalized residents of several long-term care facilities with ensuing high mortality. The number of deaths in at least one institution in Massachusetts has given rise to a criminal investigation as to culpable negligence, but not because COVID patients were moved from a hospital to the institution. In almost all instances in MA, residents of nursing homes became infected because infected staff / vendors first brought the virus into the institutionalized setting. And perhaps you should add Boris Johnson to your list. Moving infected patients from hospitals to nursing homes appears to have been a deliberate strategy. www.nytimes.com/2020/05/25/world/europe/coronavirus-uk-nursing-homes.htmlFor the education of Crossports members not living in SC, the link below graphs the number of cases in Hilton Head. The hospital in Hilton Head has, at last count I read, 12 ICU beds total, plus 81 beds for acute patient care. Nearly 40 percent of the residents of Hilton Head are age 60+ www.hiltonheadislandsc.gov/publicsafety/coronavirus/hhidata.cfm
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 6, 2020 7:58:53 GMT -5
Remember, we have been through this before. The key numbers are not what percentage nursing home deaths are of total deaths they are what percentage of total nursing home patients died and what percentage of total residents died.
To illustrate-- State A has 100,000 nursing home patients and total population of 20,000,000. 30,000 people die from Covid and 6,000 of them were in nursing homes. So nursing home patients account for 20% of deaths (nor the key stat) and 6% of nursing home patients died and 1 of every 667 people (easier to understand than a minuscule percentage number) in the state died.
State B has 25,000 nursing home patients and total population of 6,000,000. 1,000 people die from Covid and 500 of them were in nursing homes. So, nursing home patients accounted for 50% of deaths (again, not the key stat) and 2% of nursing home patients died and 1 of every 6,000 people in the state died.
Clearly State B did a much better job of taking care of its nursing home patients (and all its citizens) than did State A, even though a higher percentage of deaths came from inside nursing homes.
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Post by hcpride on Jul 6, 2020 9:36:53 GMT -5
Of course there are folks who stick to the ākids back at school = killing kidsā with the fallback ākids back at school = killing professors and grandpaā.
Fortunately, the colleges themselves donāt see it that way. One hopes the same data and science prevails for college sports.
There will always be narrative- driven folks who resist normalcy until there are no cases of Covid-19 on the planet (ājust to err on the safe sideā) AND a universally and involuntarily administered vaccine (just one unvaccinated earthling ...āyou never knowā).
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Post by alum on Jul 6, 2020 10:11:46 GMT -5
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Post by hc2020 on Jul 6, 2020 10:15:26 GMT -5
This was just tweeted out by The Atlantic. Letās get working on securing substitute games for the Ivies on our schedule and not let the Ancient 8 dictate how our season unfolds:
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jul 6, 2020 10:15:40 GMT -5
The governor of New Jersey tweeted this the other day:
This is misguided, IMO. Iām not sure he, along with others of his mindset regarding this virus, understand the devastating and ripple effects their decisions around coronavirus have caused millions.
By this logic, should we not ban cars? If we could save one life from a car accident, wouldnāt it be worth it?
To come back to education, I fear that the development of many young people is going to be seriously stunted during formative years. I canāt imagine what parents of a ten year old, for example, have been going through with school being canceled for the last few months of the last academic year, summer camps not in session, and now school in jeopardy for the coming year.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 6, 2020 10:17:50 GMT -5
Harvard has gone off the deep end. With the planned level of restrictions, I don't see how they will field a varsity sport. Methinks this is being driven by the faculty.
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Post by timholycross on Jul 6, 2020 10:25:56 GMT -5
They have to have school. Maybe it wont be 5 days a week 6 hours a day, but they have to have it.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jul 6, 2020 10:36:45 GMT -5
Harvard has gone off the deep end.Ā With the planned level of restrictions, I don't see how they will field a varsity sport.Ā Methinks this is being driven by the faculty. Gone off the deep end, indeed. āYou can always tell a Harvard man, you just canāt tell him much.ā ā Tom Gilmore Regarding Harvardās decision to keep tuition the same regardless of whether one is on campus or not, that does not seem very fair ā āHarvard plans to keeps its academic year tuition costs of $49,650 the same, although many students receive financial aid, which lowers the actual price. Students who are on financial aid but studying remotely will, however, receive a $5,000 per semester allowance, the university said.ā
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