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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 16, 2020 2:04:04 GMT -5
The waiver doesn’t really change anything from a practical standpoint. How many college athletes are going to contract Covid, be able to connect if to something specific to their participation in football, be able to prove that the school was legally responsible (I.e. that it breached the standard of care) in some way, have serious enough damages that it’s worth pursuing, particularly when doing so would run the risk of damaging their relationship with their team and becoming alienated?. College athletes get hurt all the time. It’s a very rare instance when one of them sues the school. If you’re playing college football in 2020, you’re knowingly taking on some risk of getting concussed, tearing your ACL and contracting Covid. And if your school does something so bad that a suit is worthwhile, the waiver probably isn’t going to protect the school either by its own terms or because a court will declare it unenforceable. All the waiver/release talk is much ado about nothing in my opinion. I am thinking of an ambitious coach exceeding specific college Covid rules such as how long students can congregate, how large the group can be, how many students in the weight room at one time, how far apart they must be in the film room, etc. If a student gets a severe case of coronavirus he couldn't prove he caught it from being on the football team but he could prove the coach endangered him by exceeding college safety limits. I hope students aren't signing away their rights to hold the coach and school accountable in that scenario. Say the kid that gets sick from a teammate and never plays football again due to lung issues related to COVID-19 and was a likely draft pick, should Ohio State be held liable for not protecting his health?
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 16, 2020 9:32:22 GMT -5
I am thinking of an ambitious coach exceeding specific college Covid rules such as how long students can congregate, how large the group can be, how many students in the weight room at one time, how far apart they must be in the film room, etc. If a student gets a severe case of coronavirus he couldn't prove he caught it from being on the football team but he could prove the coach endangered him by exceeding college safety limits. I hope students aren't signing away their rights to hold the coach and school accountable in that scenario. Say the kid that gets sick from a teammate and never plays football again due to lung issues related to COVID-19 and was a likely draft pick, should Ohio State be held liable for not protecting his health? If the coach and administrators followed all State and local regs as well as school and league regs and the student signed off after a thorough explanation of the risks, no. But if a TOSU coach or Administrator bent the rules and endangered him, yes to some degree.
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Post by hc2020 on Jun 16, 2020 15:50:43 GMT -5
Still a lot of uncertainty about when many FCS schools will begin their offseason programs:
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Post by thecrossisback on Jun 16, 2020 22:02:07 GMT -5
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 17, 2020 5:37:35 GMT -5
For those who find paywalls to be a barrier, the key news was that the PL presidents and ADs are having a videoconference Friday, which should provide more definition to the currently nebulous situation. The other news was that ADMB seems hopeful that there could be spectators at Fitton, given that it is an outdoor venue, and the seating capacity far exceeds typical attendance.
ADMB mentioned going to a paperless ticket system. I am reminded of Dr. Fauci's response to a question of whether people should be concerned that the virus could be spread through exchange of paper currency. His reply was a rather definitive 'No', and IIRC, he went on to elaborate that any virus titers that might be present on money were too low to infect.
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Post by hc2020 on Jun 19, 2020 8:10:10 GMT -5
As we mentioned in Wednesday’s Zoom call with administrators, the Patriot League athletic directors and school presidents are scheduled to convene a conference call today to discuss operating procedures for the football season. We will hopefully receive some clarity as to when players will be permitted to return to campus for organized team activities, preseason camp and the conditions that will be imposed upon players and coaches to address COVID-19 issues.
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Post by purplehaze on Jun 19, 2020 8:51:39 GMT -5
Things are getting complicated down south - 13 Texas football players tested positive upon their return to campus for workouts. It could be that the northeastern states which imposed restrictions for a longer time will be the safer places to resume activities.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 19, 2020 10:24:17 GMT -5
Maybe HC-Merrimack will be nationally televised while the Longhorns, Crimson Tide and Seminoles remain in quarantine.
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Post by timholycross on Jun 19, 2020 18:38:44 GMT -5
Maybe HC-Merrimack will be nationally televised while the Longhorns, Crimson Tide and Seminoles remain in quarantine. Throw Clemson in with those three as well.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jun 19, 2020 19:23:43 GMT -5
Maybe HC-Merrimack will be nationally televised while the Longhorns, Crimson Tide and Seminoles remain in quarantine. You're joking I assume.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 19, 2020 21:54:08 GMT -5
Maybe HC-Merrimack will be nationally televised while the Longhorns, Crimson Tide and Seminoles remain in quarantine. You're joking I assume. Yes. ESPN-plus is the highest level of distribution we can realistically hope for.
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Post by purplepig on Jun 19, 2020 22:24:24 GMT -5
Toss out anything you have heard or that the league has said. It’s garbage. The PL has the authority of a mall cop. It is impossible to isolate that many young men and the hangers-on. Sports practices, games and locker rooms are breeding grounds. No parent should want their child participating. The debate is, with all due respect, ridiculous. There should not be and probably will not be a fall, winter or spring season.
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Post by timholycross on Jun 20, 2020 6:49:55 GMT -5
One might note that none of the 23 Clemson positives are actually ill.
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Post by spenser on Jun 20, 2020 8:16:43 GMT -5
Toss out anything you have heard or that the league has said. It’s garbage. The PL has the authority of a mall cop. It is impossible to isolate that many young men and the hangers-on. Sports practices, games and locker rooms are breeding grounds. No parent should want their child participating. The debate is, with all due respect, ridiculous. There should not be and probably will not be a fall, winter or spring season. I agree with this up to a point. I doubt that there will be any fall sports played. As far as the winter and especially the spring sports I think that we are not far enough into this fiasco to make that determination. The question for me is it acceptable to endanger the lives of these kids to win the Patriot League title. Much as I would love to see us repeat I just don’t think it’s right to do so.
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Post by spenser on Jun 20, 2020 8:17:00 GMT -5
One might note that none of the 23 Clemson positives are actually ill. Yet...
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Post by hcpride on Jun 20, 2020 8:30:11 GMT -5
Toss out anything you have heard or that the league has said. It’s garbage. The PL has the authority of a mall cop. It is impossible to isolate that many young men and the hangers-on. Sports practices, games and locker rooms are breeding grounds. No parent should want their child participating. The debate is, with all due respect, ridiculous. There should not be and probably will not be a fall, winter or spring season. I partially agree. Parents sending their kids back to residential colleges (athletes and otherwise) know the dorm/suite life and other relatively crowded conditions increase the chances of the kid catching Covid-19 (v staying home, eating in the parents' kitchen, and studying online in the bedroom). (Note, parents also know about the increased seasonal flu, meningitis, etc. risks.) Parents concerns are allayed when they look at the science and data regarding college-age mortality and Covid-19. Not every parent at every time (cue the outliers) but that is the general trend I see. (As an aside, one could argue that the fittest and most carefully monitored of the college kids are the least likely to suffer serious harm [if any college kids are to suffer serious harm/death from Covid-19] so the parents of athletes may be particularly reassured by the science and date.)
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Post by hchoops on Jun 20, 2020 9:00:49 GMT -5
But some of those infected fit athletes and other infected students, some knowingly, some unknowingly, interact with vulnerable coaches, staff, on campus workers, parents , grandparents
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Post by hcpride on Jun 20, 2020 9:35:41 GMT -5
/\ I was explaining why parental concerns about their child's (athlete or otherwise) welfare are allayed by looking at the science and data of Covid-19. And why, when residential schools open in the fall, we'll see kids return.
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It is certainly true that viruses writ large can spread to more and less vulnerable populations. There is definitely a segment of folks who don't see a return to resident schools, ordinary shopping, gatherings, organized sports, demonstrations, etc. (re Covid-19) without an effective and nationally administered vaccine.
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Post by hchoops on Jun 20, 2020 10:46:16 GMT -5
Maybe some of these vulnerables “do not see a return “ to campus, but some-many vulnerable workers, faculty, coaches will return Parents and grandparents could be infected in their homes by the infected students if they are sent home or choose to go home
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 21, 2020 5:21:46 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 21, 2020 9:12:24 GMT -5
The end of the interview frames the dilemma. The AD is working from home and even with the campus closed is only venturing to his office occasionally, yet a football season would require direct contact from tackling, blocking, huddling, bus riding, etc. for four months.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 21, 2020 9:45:07 GMT -5
The end of the interview frames the dilemma. The AD is working from home and even with the campus closed is only venturing to his office occasionally, yet a football season would require direct contact from tackling, blocking, huddling, bus riding, etc. for four months. Have you watched the construction crews on the webcam? Social distancing is not practiced. As I understand the construction protocols in MA, their health is checked at the start of the workday (see photo of trailer parked outside of the site gate in the PPAC thread). I believe the rule is that if a worker tests positive, the construction workers associated with the part of the crew where he worked go into 14 day quarantine. I have seen no indication that visible work at either The Jo or the PPAC has stopped because a worker tested positive. I have not read or heard of work at other construction sites in MA coming to a halt because a worker became infected. As I understand, it was the construction unions who helped formulate these protocols, and all major construction at HC is performed by union labor. The R value for Massachusetts was lowest in the nation yesterday. All the PL states appear to have R values below 1. See: rt.live/
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 21, 2020 12:45:09 GMT -5
Phreek or anyone who knows the answer. Question: How long after Coronavirus infection does the test show positive? Within 24 hours? 2-3 days? 1week? 2 weeks? MDs/Scientists don't know? Thank you. m From Harvard Health, on false negatives. I believe that most people become symptomatic (assuming they develop symptoms) around day five after exposure. I say that because a person who is infected is apparently most infectious one or two days before symptoms appear.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 21, 2020 13:38:14 GMT -5
My average temperature runs around 97 (one doctor said "many are cold but you are frozen"🙂). As I understand it these temperature checks allow a decent margin above 98.6 to gain entrance to a venue like the BOK Center. There must be some element of risk using that measure, but in the case of a college they could program each student's temperature history into the hand held device so an increase (or decrease?) over average readings for that student would trigger further action rather than an arbitrary temp above 98.6.
PP could teach the IT dept how to program their thermometers 🙂.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 21, 2020 14:12:29 GMT -5
The new normal for 'normal' temperature is below 98.6. Apparently this is the result of people being less chronically sick these days. If your typical average temperature is 97, you should tell them that in the ER, because a temperature of 100 would be the equivalent of 102 in a person whose 'normal' temperature is 98.6.
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