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Post by hc17 on May 20, 2020 11:24:58 GMT -5
An old friend appears to be a finalist...
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Post by longsuffering on May 20, 2020 13:35:39 GMT -5
Good luck Coach Pearl.
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Post by HC92 on May 20, 2020 15:17:32 GMT -5
I have what is probably an irrational hope that, if we cannot turn things around this coming season, Pearl will be lured back, additional funding will be found and we will announce a move to Hockey East. The chance of any of those things happening in the next year is low. The chance of all of them happening is even lower.
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Post by nhteamer on May 26, 2020 8:14:36 GMT -5
Dartmouth should grab Paul
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Post by purplehaze on Jun 2, 2020 17:39:38 GMT -5
Dartmouth hired Ried Cashman, asst with the Washington Capitals and 2007 Quinnipiac alum
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Post by bigfan on Jun 3, 2020 6:44:59 GMT -5
We need HE, the current travel to Canisius, Niagara, Air force, Robert Morris, RIT and Mercyhurst cost us a lot of money.
We would get HE fans coming to Worcester from Boston, Amherst, Storrs, Durham, Burlington, Providence, how many fans come from American Hockey schools?
Longest trip would be Orono,
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jun 3, 2020 7:20:08 GMT -5
^ What's this have to do w/Dartmouth hiring a new coach?
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Post by nhteamer on Jun 3, 2020 9:03:42 GMT -5
Truth can be posted on any thread.
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Post by HC92 on Jun 3, 2020 9:23:11 GMT -5
We need HE, the current travel to Canisius, Niagara, Air force, Robert Morris, RIT and Mercyhurst cost us a lot of money. We would get HE fans coming to Worcester from Boston, Amherst, Storrs, Durham, Burlington, Providence, how many fans come from American Hockey schools? Longest trip would be Orono, I would love to see us in HE but any argument that we’d make money over what we do in AHA based on saved travel expenses and increased ticket sales doesn’t really hold water. It would cost us a lot more money to be in HE. The question is whether what it would do for our national profile, name recognition, alumni engagement and giving, etc would provide a net financial benefit over time. I don’t know the answer to that one. |
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Post by purple1 on Jun 3, 2020 10:11:53 GMT -5
Holy Cross should rehire Paul Pearl and move into HE for publicity, alumni interaction and saving time for the student athletes thru less travel.
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Post by nhteamer on Jun 3, 2020 13:21:50 GMT -5
true story
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 3, 2020 19:47:43 GMT -5
We need HE, the current travel to Canisius, Niagara, Air force, Robert Morris, RIT and Mercyhurst cost us a lot of money. We would get HE fans coming to Worcester from Boston, Amherst, Storrs, Durham, Burlington, Providence, how many fans come from American Hockey schools? Longest trip would be Orono, I would love to see us in HE but any argument that we’d make money over what we do in AHA based on saved travel expenses and increased ticket sales doesn’t really hold water. It would cost us a lot more money to be in HE. The question is whether what it would do for our national profile, name recognition, alumni engagement and giving, etc would provide a net financial benefit over time. I don’t know the answer to that one. An on campus 1500 seat arena that is fully paid for with no rent or ticket surcharges is a thing of beauty with Covid-19 ruining both budgets and the attractiveness of assembling three hours indoors wearing a mask. However, HE is like the U.S. History principle of Manifest Destiny. We should have a goal to get there someday. Holy Cross has some assets to help the cause. Endowment of the Head Men's Hockey Coach position is the only one HC can offer that would give exposure to the donor in a high profile men's power conference and should be much more attractive in conjunction with moving up to HE than in the AHA. Also, the Hart Center is named for a wonderful Jesuit who had an office wallpapered with intramural schedules and positively impacted thousands of students. But there isn't any reason why individual performance spaces can't generate revenue for the teams who play there. Naming rights for the hockey rink is also more valuable in conjunction with a move to HE. It would be nice if HE realizes it's a changed landscape and relaxes their minimum capacity standards for admittance and donors to HC hockey step up to make the move economically feasible. |
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 3, 2020 21:30:28 GMT -5
I would love to see us in HE but any argument that we’d make money over what we do in AHA based on saved travel expenses and increased ticket sales doesn’t really hold water. It would cost us a lot more money to be in HE. The question is whether what it would do for our national profile, name recognition, alumni engagement and giving, etc would provide a net financial benefit over time. I don’t know the answer to that one. An on campus 1500 seat arena that is fully paid for with no rent or ticket surcharges is a thing of beauty with Covid-19 ruining both budgets and the attractiveness of assembling three hours indoors wearing a mask. However, HE is like the U.S. History principle of Manifest Destiny. We should have a goal to get there someday. Holy Cross has some assets to help the cause. Endowment of the Head Men's Hockey Coach position is the only one HC can offer that would give exposure to the donor in a high profile men's power conference and should be much more attractive in conjunction with moving up to HE than in the AHA. Also, the Hart Center is named for a wonderful Jesuit who had an office wallpapered with intramural schedules and positively impacted thousands of students. But there isn't any reason why individual performance spaces can't generate revenue for the teams who play there. Naming rights for the hockey rink is also more valuable in conjunction with a move to HE. It would be nice if HE realizes it's a changed landscape and relaxes their minimum capacity standards for admittance and donors to HC hockey step up to make the move economically feasible. As I always say, Holy Cross hockey brings NOTHING to Hockey East. If you want to see the best teams in the country, you can already drive the hour to BC, BU, Northeastern, Providence, UMass-Amherst and Lowell. Even UConn is fairly close also. None of those schools bring in fans to road games (aka more than parents and maybe 20 fans). It is Maine and UNH that have large traveling parties. |
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 4, 2020 0:02:38 GMT -5
Some feel that if HC joined HE, the same as if HC had joined the Big East, we will become one of the best teams in the country due to attracting higher skilled players. So, using that logic HC would bring something to HE: another team among the best in the nation a few years after we joined.
The other approach is to dominate the AHA and then move up from a position of strength. But that is a lot more work than just becoming good by switching leagues. NH and Maine fans traveling to Boston makes more sense than Boston fans traveling to Maine and NH.
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Post by hc17 on Jun 4, 2020 8:43:28 GMT -5
An on campus 1500 seat arena that is fully paid for with no rent or ticket surcharges is a thing of beauty with Covid-19 ruining both budgets and the attractiveness of assembling three hours indoors wearing a mask. However, HE is like the U.S. History principle of Manifest Destiny. We should have a goal to get there someday. Holy Cross has some assets to help the cause. Endowment of the Head Men's Hockey Coach position is the only one HC can offer that would give exposure to the donor in a high profile men's power conference and should be much more attractive in conjunction with moving up to HE than in the AHA. Also, the Hart Center is named for a wonderful Jesuit who had an office wallpapered with intramural schedules and positively impacted thousands of students. But there isn't any reason why individual performance spaces can't generate revenue for the teams who play there. Naming rights for the hockey rink is also more valuable in conjunction with a move to HE. It would be nice if HE realizes it's a changed landscape and relaxes their minimum capacity standards for admittance and donors to HC hockey step up to make the move economically feasible. As I always say, Holy Cross hockey brings NOTHING to Hockey East. If you want to see the best teams in the country, you can already drive the hour to BC, BU, Northeastern, Providence, UMass-Amherst and Lowell. Even UConn is fairly close also. None of those schools bring in fans to road games (aka more than parents and maybe 20 fans). It is Maine and UNH that have large traveling parties. Given that HE is currently at 11 Teams, who do you believe are great candidates for the 12th spot? The 11 team structure has caused scheduling concerns and is a priority for the new HE commish. To me, at the very least, HC fits the academic & geographical profile of HE. Some may question how academics fit into the equation, but it is without a doubt a factor in determining fit for a potential new member into any conference. If I go down the road to UMass, Northeastern, BU, BC, UConn or Prov to watch a hockey game, I'll do so with the other team on the ice wearing purple. I could care less about attending a college hockey game without my Alma Mater. |
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jun 4, 2020 9:13:57 GMT -5
Maybe change the title of this thread to "Yet another thread about HE talk" since that's all it is.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 4, 2020 9:23:22 GMT -5
I agree HC should be a favorite from HE's perspective because geography, academics and financial stability should trump arena size for the foreseeable future. And with the DCU available, an HE preference for a large on campus arena is trivial, imo. Holy Cross, on the other hand can't spend money that would weaken it's core mission of academics or reduce financial stability because those two are it's strength in this environment. So tying fundraising to an opportunity in HE seems the most prudent course.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jun 4, 2020 9:35:24 GMT -5
Who's Cashman hiring for assistants at DARTMOUTH?
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Post by hc17 on Jun 4, 2020 9:41:31 GMT -5
I'm not quite sure a HE Holy Cross & Worcester Railers could co-exist, but what we do know is that Worcester Railer attendance is right around the league average in HE (~4,000). Whether or not the people of Worcester support Holy Cross in a similar fashion is a debate for another day, but the market is there. Before Joe Bertagna (Former HE Commish) called it quits, he publicly expressed desire to have outdoor games at Polar Park in a similar fashion to the Frozen Fenway. Outdoor games with say...HC, UMass, Prov, and UConn would be quite a hit in Worcester...at least I think so.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 4, 2020 9:46:53 GMT -5
I'm not quite sure a HE Holy Cross & Worcester Railers could co-exist, but what we do know is that Worcester Railer attendance is right around the league average in HE (~4,000). Whether or not the people of Worcester support Holy Cross in a similar fashion is a debate for another day, but the market is there. Before Joe Bertagna (Former HE Commish) called it quits, he publicly expressed desire to have outdoor games at Polar Park in a similar fashion to the Frozen Fenway. Outdoor games with say...HC, UMass, Prov, and UConn would be quite a hit in Worcester...at least I think so. |
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 4, 2020 9:49:31 GMT -5
Any event in Polar for the first few years should be a hit. Without the pandemic and recession I think they were looking at selling out Polar Park for awhile like the Hart Center did when it replaced the Worcester Auditorium.
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Post by bigfan on Jun 4, 2020 11:59:04 GMT -5
After the Auditorium the reason we sold out the Hart Center was the schedule we played. Teams who came regularly to the Hart, BC, UConn,Umass, Providence,
The schedule needs to be upgraded and then the fans will return. I watched Seton Hall, Syracuse, St. John's, BC and even Creighton when Tommy H was playing.
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Post by hc17 on Jun 4, 2020 12:31:57 GMT -5
After the women's program joined, Bertagna said:
“It is always exciting when we are able to grow our membership ranks and particularly so with an institution of such unique prestige and character as Holy Cross,” said Hockey East commissioner Joe Bertagna. “We look forward to joining forces with the Crusaders to bring the Hockey East brand to Central Massachusetts and its great hockey fans.”
Hopefully, Central Mass remains a priority and membership on the men's side is extended. Just feels that we have one foot in the door already....
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Post by purplehaze on Jun 4, 2020 12:56:13 GMT -5
this is a hockey discussion
Does anyone think that the economic downturn caused by the pandemic could work in our favor as the Centrum bosses will be looking for more events to fill their calendar. Could they broker a peace deal between the Railers and HC to accommodate both schedules ? - Of course, I'm assuming HC is making their intentions to join HE known to the league honchos, and that they have a plan to propose.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 4, 2020 14:42:10 GMT -5
this is a hockey discussion Does anyone think that the economic downturn caused by the pandemic could work in our favor as the Centrum bosses will be looking for more events to fill their calendar. Could they broker a peace deal between the Railers and HC to accommodate both schedules ? - Of course, I'm assuming HC is making their intentions to join HE known to the league honchos, and that they have a plan to propose. Excellent idea. I mentioned before that my friend who lives in Auburn, MA. takes his grandchildren to watch the Railers at the DCU and thus drives right by Holy Cross. The grandchildren love the Railers and the overall presentation which caters to kids and families, they don't go because my friend is a former hockey player who loves the sport and is introducing it to the grandchildren or anything like that. If Holy Cross could hook their Caboose to the Railer's marketing Engine and share marketing efforts and ticket packages it could really help the program. HC is spending a good amount on marketing type staff but I don't think they have the penetration into the spending on entertainment in Central Mass. that the Railer's marketing efforts, building on the Ice Cats and Sharks efforts, has achieved. Holy Cross would have to contribute dollars and staff to the joint effort but it may be worth it because attendance has been falling overall at HC even though spending on entertainment and recreation in the area hasn't been, at least until the pandemic. |
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