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Post by purplehaze on May 21, 2020 15:21:41 GMT -5
Another interesting development which is gaining traction since the pandemic - it's been around for awhile but the financial pressure on making programs $ feasible has reached baseball. it's a rather long piece here but basically you're looking at starting the season in the 3rd week of March and ending in July with the college world series. Coaches think it's too cold to play in February and the later schedule will increase attendance (i.e. 'paid') in the April-June period. d1baseball.com/columns/premier-power-five-coaches-unveil-new-college-baseball-model/ |
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Post by timholycross on May 22, 2020 20:03:50 GMT -5
If you run the CWS during the All Star break, you've got 3 nights (Mon, Wed, Thu) where you are basically the only sporting event on TV.
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Post by hchoops on May 22, 2020 20:58:11 GMT -5
Just not this truncated season
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Post by longsuffering on May 22, 2020 22:18:41 GMT -5
If you run the CWS during the All Star break, you've got 3 nights (Mon, Wed, Thu) where you are basically the only sporting event on TV. Love it. The summer collegiate leagues will have plenty of players available who are not playing in the CWS. |
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Post by timholycross on May 23, 2020 13:58:12 GMT -5
Yeah, the NCAAs take around 3-4 weeks, so the "summah" leagues would be starting w/o those players; getting some back after the first two weekends.
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Post by hc87 on May 23, 2020 14:06:44 GMT -5
Yeah, the NCAAs take around 3-4 weeks, so the "summah" leagues would be starting w/o those players; getting some back after the first two weekends. Been that way for awhile now in the Cape League...teams will "sign" a player for a couple weeks etc and when the CWS kid shows up he's released. We have had some mild Wintahs here lately but as I've oft stated here, with the college academic schedule the way it is today, February/March baseball in the northern parts of the country can often be brutal or unfeasible....probably a good idea. |
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Post by alum on May 23, 2020 14:22:50 GMT -5
So the college baseball season would run 5-7 weeks after finals end even if a team doesn’t make the tournament? Absurd for a program that sends a couple of kids to the minors each year. I realize summer ball already interferes with many of these kids getting internships but this would destroy it. What’s the cost of keeping 30 kids on campus for several weeks?
This is the kind of thing that’s going to create a I-AA in all sports and maybe that’s OK but I don’t see how this is good for HC.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on May 23, 2020 14:33:30 GMT -5
Another reason why this ferkakta idea will never work is that rookie league ball starts mid-June right after the MLB draft.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on May 23, 2020 15:56:19 GMT -5
Another reason why this ferkakta idea will never work is that rookie league ball starts mid-June right after the MLB draft. This is exactly what I was thinking. The CWS would lose all the players who get drafted in June and report to various levels. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on May 23, 2020 16:11:57 GMT -5
So the college baseball season would run 5-7 weeks after finals end even if a team doesn’t make the tournament? Absurd for a program that sends a couple of kids to the minors each year. I realize summer ball already interferes with many of these kids getting internships but this would destroy it. What’s the cost of keeping 30 kids on campus for several weeks? This is the kind of thing that’s going to create a I-AA in all sports and maybe that’s OK but I don’t see how this is good for HC. I don't think this is THAT big a deal. We keep the dorms open over Winter Break for hockey and basketball. No one has a problem with winter sports competition during this time. I graduated HS June 3rd and was still an active HS athlete for a week or so after. Didn't ruin the integrity of prep athletics in NYC. The biggest hurdle for this plan is the fact that draftees aren't going to want to forfeit a month of pro ball. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on May 23, 2020 16:13:43 GMT -5
If you run the CWS during the All Star break, you've got 3 nights (Mon, Wed, Thu) where you are basically the only sporting event on TV. The casual baseball fan is still going to watch the HR Derby over the CWS. I think the CWS would be better suited to remain where it is now rather than compete with the Derby and the MLB ASG on back to back nights. |
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Post by longsuffering on May 23, 2020 16:37:52 GMT -5
Yeah, the NCAAs take around 3-4 weeks, so the "summah" leagues would be starting w/o those players; getting some back after the first two weekends. Been that way for awhile now in the Cape League...teams will "sign" a player for a couple weeks etc and when the CWS kid shows up he's released. We have had some mild Wintahs here lately but as I've oft stated here, with the college academic schedule the way it is today, February/March baseball in the northern parts of the country can often be brutal or unfeasible....probably a good idea. This year a mild-ish wintah turned into a cold rainy spring. I can see the day of reckoning for the $300,000 four year liberal arts bachelor's degree being accelerated by Covid-19 and HC ending up as more of a year round institution with a three year B.A. becoming more popular. If that happens baseball players can enroll in the summer semester and just join a local collegiate summer league after the HC season ends. Summer leagues are the tail and College baseball is the dog, so the summer leagues would have to adjust to whatever the NCAA decides. |
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Post by bfoley82 on May 24, 2020 0:43:40 GMT -5
So the college baseball season would run 5-7 weeks after finals end even if a team doesn’t make the tournament? Absurd for a program that sends a couple of kids to the minors each year. I realize summer ball already interferes with many of these kids getting internships but this would destroy it. What’s the cost of keeping 30 kids on campus for several weeks? This is the kind of thing that’s going to create a I-AA in all sports and maybe that’s OK but I don’t see how this is good for HC. I don't think this is THAT big a deal. We keep the dorms open over Winter Break for hockey and basketball. No one has a problem with winter sports competition during this time. I graduated HS June 3rd and was still an active HS athlete for a week or so after. Didn't ruin the integrity of prep athletics in NYC. The biggest hurdle for this plan is the fact that draftees aren't going to want to forfeit a month of pro ball. I am pretty sure Holy Cross puts the kids in hotels over Winter breaks and they don't keep the dining halls open. How many schools are going to keep the baseball athletes on campus for two months? The school is responsible for all the food for the 35 members on the team for three meals a day, so that adds up pretty quickly. Lets say it is 10 dollars a meal per player. That is 32,550 for a MONTH of food for a baseball team. |
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Post by longsuffering on May 24, 2020 21:59:26 GMT -5
Yes but the Mystery Meat in Kimball has been in the freezer since the seventies and is long since paid for. I am thinking of a more reasonable schedule that eliminates the long Southern trip in late winter, starts the season outdoors in the beginning of April, has a regular and conference tournament season that extends through May and perhaps the first weekend of June and after that only the teams still alive in the NCAA tournament continue playing beyond that.
The savings from eliminating the Southern trip would more than pay for meals after graduation and their should be no heating costs in late May. Perhaps the college can even put the team to work for a couple of hours a day supplementing the grounds and maintenance crew in freshening up the campus for the reunions.
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Post by bfoley82 on May 25, 2020 3:42:54 GMT -5
Yes but the Mystery Meat in Kimball has been in the freezer since the seventies and is long since paid for. I am thinking of a more reasonable schedule that eliminates the long Southern trip in late winter, starts the season outdoors in the beginning of April, has a regular and conference tournament season that extends through May and perhaps the first weekend of June and after that only the teams still alive in the NCAA tournament continue playing beyond that. The savings from eliminating the Southern trip would more than pay for meals after graduation and their should be no heating costs in late May. Perhaps the college can even put the team to work for a couple of hours a day supplementing the grounds and maintenance crew in freshening up the campus for the reunions. But you have air conditioning costs starting up in May and into June...this proposal is a nonstarter anyways. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on May 25, 2020 8:48:52 GMT -5
I don't think this is THAT big a deal. We keep the dorms open over Winter Break for hockey and basketball. No one has a problem with winter sports competition during this time. I graduated HS June 3rd and was still an active HS athlete for a week or so after. Didn't ruin the integrity of prep athletics in NYC. The biggest hurdle for this plan is the fact that draftees aren't going to want to forfeit a month of pro ball. I am pretty sure Holy Cross puts the kids in hotels over Winter breaks and they don't keep the dining halls open. How many schools are going to keep the baseball athletes on campus for two months? The school is responsible for all the food for the 35 members on the team for three meals a day, so that adds up pretty quickly. Lets say it is 10 dollars a meal per player. That is 32,550 for a MONTH of food for a baseball team. When I was at HC, they left the dorms open for winter athletes over break. Maybe that changed over the last decade, who knows. I was seeing a female winter athlete for a time so I took advantage. She'd give me her HC ID when on a road trip and I'd go to Worcester, catch a Men's hoops game at the Hart, grab beers with some of my more local Worcester classmates and then chill in the dorm until the team got back from Norwich, Manhattanville or wherever they were at. Not a bad life. |
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Post by timholycross on May 25, 2020 18:01:40 GMT -5
Wonder how many Division 1 universities/colleges do not have a bona fide summer session? In fact, wonder how many Patriot League schools do not have one.
I believe HC is an outlier in this regard and therefore there are many more considerations than at your average institution.
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Post by longsuffering on May 25, 2020 23:26:31 GMT -5
Wonder how many Division 1 universities/colleges do not have a bona fide summer session? In fact, wonder how many Patriot League schools do not have one. I believe HC is an outlier in this regard and therefore there are many more considerations than at your average institution. Even Harvard has always had a robust summer school that allows non-Harvard students and high school students to attend. They also have a thriving extension school which is similar to a continuing education program at other colleges. It hasn't hurt their prestige to make efficient use of their facilities year round and evenings. Holy Cross used to have the "Industrial Relations Institute" or a similar name, which was an evening program attended by many union leaders and Personnel managers to learn advanced labor-management skills and it awarded a certificate I believe. For years the Telegram and Gazette would print obituaries of Worcester area residents who worked in one of Worcester's many factories and the family of the deceased would proudly list the Holy Cross Industrial Relations Certificate their loved one had earned. One casualty of reading newspapers online is I don't read the obituaries as much, or perhaps HC has lost some luster in the community or obits are becoming more compact due to cost, but I haven't noticed any mention of the Industrial Relations Institute recently. |
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