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Post by hchoops on Jun 2, 2020 7:58:36 GMT -5
Could become a model
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Post by timholycross on Jun 2, 2020 8:29:30 GMT -5
I'd go to the travel partner system this year, weekend days. Or something like that.
I've always thought the Patriot League would be better served by a smaller tournament. It's more important to the league that a good team get in the dance, not any team. Great story for HC in 2016 but did it do the league much good to get clobbered by Oregon?
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 2, 2020 8:57:28 GMT -5
I'd go to the travel partner system this year, weekend days. Or something like that. I've always thought the Patriot League would be better served by a smaller tournament. It's more important to the league that a good team get in the dance, not any team. Great story for HC in 2016 but did it do the league much good to get clobbered by Oregon? The risk would be reducing interest by the general public in the surrounding area of the bottom teams from invisible to the naked eye to invisible under a microscope.
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 2, 2020 9:11:37 GMT -5
1. I like the "travel partner" system of some sort. I am sure the PL will be seeking ways to reduce expenses. 2. Yes, the loss to Oregon did help HC - since it was part of a run that included 6 straight road games and 5 straight wins with HC as underdog in every game. That NCAA win was HC's first in decades and was the reason HC played the team raked #1 in the nation at that time. One needs to look at the whole package. To go to the NCAA and represent the PL, a team must be able top first play through their PL opponents in the post season tournament. If they cannot, how can they be a "better" league representative?
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Post by trimster on Jun 2, 2020 10:05:56 GMT -5
1. I like the "travel partner" system of some sort. I am sure the PL will be seeking ways to reduce expenses. 2. Yes, the loss to Oregon did help HC - since it was part of a run that included 6 straight road games and 5 straight wins with HC as underdog in every game. That NCAA win was HC's first in decades and was the reason HC played the team raked #1 in the nation at that time. One needs to look at the whole package. To go to the NCAA and represent the PL, a team must be able top first play through their PL opponents in the post season tournament. If they cannot, how can they be a "better" league representative? I am not a big supporter of the post season tournament concept. I think the team that wins the regular season after two months of competition should represent the conference in the Big Dance. I would eliminate the tournaments so the season could be shortened by at least a week and March Madness would confined to the month of March. Now it’s March Madness with a week of April thrown in. I know the ACC wouldn’t be happy but the ACC Tourney hasn’t been what it was 40-50 years ago, for a long time. Like many things, it has become watered down by expansion and over exposure. I doubt this will happen particularly if the conference tourneys are money makers that help fund minor sports but I think the business of the college hoops season going from early November to early April has gotten to be a bit much.
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Post by rf1 on Jun 2, 2020 10:41:42 GMT -5
This is the map of the locations of CUSA schools:
Distance from Old Dominion University in Norfolk-VA to UTEP in El Paso-TX: 1,982 miles
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Post by hc87 on Jun 2, 2020 11:28:44 GMT -5
Why is Rice in this ferkukta conference? I get the "any port in a storm" concept....but this is just silly....
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Post by hchoops on Jun 2, 2020 12:05:36 GMT -5
FOOTBALL The same for most of these schools
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Post by timholycross on Jun 2, 2020 13:24:29 GMT -5
Lance Armstrong's son plays for them. Didn't know that until last night.
You'd think Rice would be with Tulane somewhere, not in different leagues. Both very high-caliber academic schools. And UTEP would be with NM State, which is an independent in football.
Both ODU and NC Charlotte effectively killed their basketball programs for football.
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Post by rf1 on Jun 2, 2020 14:49:40 GMT -5
Why is Rice in this ferkukta conference? I get the "any port in a storm" concept....but this is just silly....
Rice has lost out on multiple conference reconfigurations and was essentially left behind. Was part of the old Southwest Conference which went defunct when several of its stronger members went to the Big-12 in 1995. Rice was not invited into the then much stronger than today original CUSA and had to settle on the WAC for a decade. It joined CUSA in 2005 after that league had a mass exodus of nine schools (Cinci, Louisville, USF, Marq, Depaul, St Louis, Charlotte, TCU, and Army) . Further changes in CUSA membership from 2013-2015 saw Houston, Memphis, SMU, and UCF bolt. Rice got left behind in the aftermath with CUSA having to find new members resulting in the disparate and distant collection of schools it is today.
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Post by rf1 on Jun 2, 2020 14:54:33 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 2, 2020 15:21:01 GMT -5
Why is Rice in this ferkukta conference? I get the "any port in a storm" concept....but this is just silly....
Rice has lost out on multiple conference reconfigurations and was essentially left behind. Was part of the old Southwest Conference which went defunct when several of its stronger members went to the Big-12 in 1995. Rice was not invited into the then much stronger than today original CUSA and had to settle on the WAC for a decade. It joined CUSA in 2005 after that league had a mass exodus of nine schools (Cinci, Louisville, USF, Marq, Depaul, St Louis, Charlotte, TCU, and Army) . Further changes in CUSA membership from 2013-2015 saw Houston, Memphis, SMU, and UCF bolt. Rice got left behind in the aftermath with CUSA having to find new members resulting in the disparate and distant collection of schools it is today.
The Southwest Conference was a great one to play in with the 7 Texas schools and Arkansas. Rice's fortunes in the athletic realm have gone down and down ever since the SWC disbanded, as noted above. What effect has this had on Rice's academic reputation and appeal to students? Rice now is forced to accept 9% of applicants in order to assemble an entering class...…...
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 2, 2020 15:21:59 GMT -5
1. I like the "travel partner" system of some sort. I am sure the PL will be seeking ways to reduce expenses. 2. Yes, the loss to Oregon did help HC - since it was part of a run that included 6 straight road games and 5 straight wins with HC as underdog in every game. That NCAA win was HC's first in decades and was the reason HC played the team raked #1 in the nation at that time. One needs to look at the whole package. To go to the NCAA and represent the PL, a team must be able top first play through their PL opponents in the post season tournament. If they cannot, how can they be a "better" league representative? I am not a big supporter of the post season tournament concept. I think the team that wins the regular season after two months of competition should represent the conference in the Big Dance. I would eliminate the tournaments so the season could be shortened by at least a week and March Madness would confined to the month of March. Now it’s March Madness with a week of April thrown in. I know the ACC wouldn’t be happy but the ACC Tourney hasn’t been what it was 40-50 years ago, for a long time. Like many things, it has become watered down by expansion and over exposure. I doubt this will happen particularly if the conference tourneys are money makers that help fund minor sports but I think the business of the college hoops season going from early November to early April has gotten to be a bit much. That would leave the bottom half of the league playing out the string the second time around the league with nothing to hope for until the next season. Football is a little different with the small number of league teams and FEWER games. It isn't unusual for many teams to be in contention for the auto bid deep into the season. Also in the cases of Coaches Milan Brown and Ann McInerney, it was speculated that both of their futures could hinge on the team's performance in their final PLT, so the league championship tournament is not a meaningless event.
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Post by trimster on Jun 2, 2020 15:35:50 GMT -5
If you end up playing out the string for a month, that is the price you pay for being lousy or unlucky in the case of injuries. Obviously the conference tourney isn’t meaningless but I much prefer the team that showed superiority in the conference over two months to represent the league than a weak team that got hot over 4 games in March. I think we could survive just fine without the league tourneys. Plus it would put an end to the “it is all about 3-4 games in March” thinking.
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 2, 2020 15:39:06 GMT -5
The PLT is also a chance for a team that has battled injuries and illness, but now has its players back, to put it together (and to use the tournament to keep the players motivated to return for that chance).
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 2, 2020 17:19:07 GMT -5
If you end up playing out the string for a month, that is the price you pay for being lousy or unlucky in the case of injuries. Obviously the conference tourney isn’t meaningless but I much prefer the team that showed superiority in the conference over two months to represent the league than a weak team that got hot over 4 games in March. I think we could survive just fine without the league tourneys. Plus it would put an end to the “it is all about 3-4 games in March” thinking. I agree that "3-4 games in March" is a convenient crutch used to mask glaring poor performance during the regular season. An interesting hybrid would be if each league had an automatic bid to the NIT for the league runner-up, instead of the current narrower system where the auto bid is only for regular season winners who lose the league tournament, then the league tournament could be for teams 2-5 to determine the NIT bid.
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Post by gerry on Jun 3, 2020 6:22:39 GMT -5
I've always felt the regular season champ should have a bye to the championship game, at least in low and mid major conferences. The other teams, however many you want to invite, play a tournament with the winner opposing the regular season champ in the final.
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Post by Tom on Jun 3, 2020 7:53:59 GMT -5
If you end up playing out the string for a month, that is the price you pay for being lousy or unlucky in the case of injuries. Obviously the conference tourney isn’t meaningless but I much prefer the team that showed superiority in the conference over two months to represent the league than a weak team that got hot over 4 games in March. I think we could survive just fine without the league tourneys. Plus it would put an end to the “it is all about 3-4 games in March” thinking. I kind of like watching championship week on ESPN
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 3, 2020 8:32:32 GMT -5
As do I...even though the Big East tournament is not what it once was (as are some others as well). Tournament championships followed by the first round pairings of the NCAA tournament are my favorite sport events of the year.
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Post by Tom on Jun 3, 2020 11:18:40 GMT -5
The fact that almost every conference has their championship on ESPN or ESPN2 means a nice guaranteed payoff to each conference. Poor reasoning, but that alone is enough to keep conference tournaments going. Think of football where some of the major conference wanted to go to 12 teams so they could have divisions a championship game against the division winners on national TV
I say almost every conference because some of the big boys skip ESPN to be on network TV and the Patriot League skips ESPN to be on some network I don't get
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Post by hchoops on Jun 3, 2020 11:56:40 GMT -5
I believe that the PL switched to CBSSN since it offered to televise some regular season games and the PLT semis as well as the final
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Post by Tom on Jun 3, 2020 13:25:23 GMT -5
I think there are a handful of women's games too. The league decided the trade off for the additional games was worth saying "no, thank you" to championship week. Might work for the rest of the Patriot League - not so much for me personally.
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Post by timholycross on Jun 3, 2020 15:57:59 GMT -5
Getting on ESPN or ESPN2 was nice but there were several occurrences of the previous game (always a big conference) running late and our game being joined in progress.
Navy in 2001 comes to mind in particular. HC was down 10 points or so when they cut in. Drove me nuts and I wasn't in the area; didn't have the option of turning on the radio.
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Post by hchoops on Jun 3, 2020 16:32:44 GMT -5
Another effect
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Post by res on Jun 3, 2020 18:15:48 GMT -5
If the season starts, the arenas could be empty regardless of when semesters begin and end. And players play over breaks regardless of when those breaks occur. I'm not sure what Rothstein is getting at, but, then again, I never am.
EDIT: Although, upon re-reading, that might be what he's saying.
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