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Post by Crosser on Jun 3, 2020 23:10:56 GMT -5
I think there are a handful of women's games too. The league decided the trade off for the additional games was worth saying "no, thank you" to championship week. Might work for the rest of the Patriot League - not so much for me personally. I used to love those 4:30 Friday games!
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Post by timholycross on Jun 4, 2020 10:20:21 GMT -5
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Post by Tom on Jun 4, 2020 11:10:35 GMT -5
Interesting.
Geographical outlier Northeastern could have few to no conferences games. They might come knocking on HC's olympic sports door
In the Northeast 10, which basically has all of the D-II schools in New England, they have some OOC games against other teams in the conference. Same opponent, but one time it counts in conference standings and one time it doesn't
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Post by Crosser on Jun 4, 2020 20:44:58 GMT -5
It seems to me that the NCAA should ease up on some of their requirements for minimum number of games. Maximum flexibility should be used at all levels.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 6, 2020 8:30:25 GMT -5
Interesting. Geographical outlier Northeastern could have few to no conferences games. They might come knocking on HC's olympic sports door In the Northeast 10, which basically has all of the D-II schools in New England, they have some OOC games against other teams in the conference. Same opponent, but one time it counts in conference standings and one time it doesn't This has happened in DI as well but very rare. I remember one time in the 2000's Delaware and UNH played a football opener that was not a CAA game.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 6, 2020 8:55:41 GMT -5
Why is Rice in this ferkukta conference? I get the "any port in a storm" concept....but this is just silly.... Rice used to be in the Southwest Conference, which would've been the equivalent of "P5" at the time it disbanded in 1995. The league folded with Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech and Baylor joining the Big Eight, forming the Big 12. Arkansas went to the SEC. Rice, TCU and SMU went to the WAC at the time. Houston went to C-USA. When the WAC split a couple of years later, 8 of the bigger programs formed the Mountain West Conference. Rice was among the schools left behind in the WAC, which soon became an unsustainable FBS conference after multiple rounds of conference expansion. So C-USA ended up being the most recent landing spot for the Owls.
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Post by HC92 on Jun 6, 2020 9:20:23 GMT -5
This makes a lot of sense. Kudos to the CAA for being the first conference out with something like this. I expect others will follow.
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Post by hchoops on Jun 6, 2020 9:27:03 GMT -5
But it takes two to tango Will enough New England schools in multiple conferences cooperate?
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Post by HC92 on Jun 6, 2020 10:02:31 GMT -5
But it takes two to tango Will enough New England schools in multiple conferences cooperate? At some point, I was thinking they should just blow up conferences for the Olympic sports and create one-year regional conferences of schools operating at a similar athletic level and all of which are within x miles of each other. They would play for a championship within that one year conference. Then go back to regular conferences the following year.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 6, 2020 11:25:02 GMT -5
That makes so much sense, e.g. HC baseball team taking shorter bus trips in New England rather than agonizing trips to PA
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Post by HC92 on Jun 6, 2020 11:26:33 GMT -5
Of the schools in New England, the only two that might be outliers in terms of competitiveness in the Olympic sports would be UConn and BC. Haven’t put too much thought into it but you could put together 2 temporary conferences of 10-12 schools based on geography or school size.
D1 Schools by State:
Connecticut (7): Central Connecticut State University University of Connecticut University of Hartford Fairfield University Quinnipiac University Sacred Heart University Yale University
Massachusetts (8): Boston College Boston University Harvard University College of the Holy Cross University of Massachusetts, Amherst University of Massachusetts, Lowell Merrimack Northeastern University
Rhode Island (4): Brown University Bryant University Providence College University of Rhode Island
New Hampshire (2): Dartmouth UNH
Maine (1): Univ of Maine
Vermont (1): Univ of Vermont
[Edited to add Merrimack]
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 7, 2020 6:19:11 GMT -5
But it takes two to tango Will enough New England schools in multiple conferences cooperate? At some point, I was thinking they should just blow up conferences for the Olympic sports and create one-year regional conferences of schools operating at a similar athletic level and all of which are within x miles of each other. They would play for a championship within that one year conference. Then go back to regular conferences the following year. I like conference rivalries but this isn't a bad idea for minor sports. I would also advocate eliminating the "Dayton Rule" for all non-revenue sports, which I would define as everything except Football, Men's Basketball, Women's Basketball, Men's Hockey, Baseball and Men's Lacrosse. Maybe Men's Soccer as well. In that case you could break down the divisions regionally like you suggested. A school like Holy Cross under this scenario would be able to compete Division II or Division III in Tennis, Swimming, Golf, etc.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 7, 2020 6:25:05 GMT -5
92's latest post also reminds me of something I always thought would be kind of cool but would never actually happen in Men's Basketball -- state championship tournaments to open the season. States with less than 4 Division I schools, or states with an awkward number of DI schools (like 7) could add DII, DIII or NAIA to fill out a bracket. And you would have consolation rounds (like a HS holiday classic at say Georgetown Prep or Benedictine in VA) so everyone plays the same number of games.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jun 7, 2020 7:14:11 GMT -5
92's latest post also reminds me of something I always thought would be kind of cool but would never actually happen in Men's Basketball -- state championship tournaments to open the season. States with less than 4 Division I schools, or states with an awkward number of DI schools (like 7) could add DII, DIII or NAIA to fill out a bracket. And you would have consolation rounds (like a HS holiday classic at say Georgetown Prep or Benedictine in VA) so everyone plays the same number of games. If there was ever a year to do something different, I'd say this is the year!
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 7, 2020 8:39:32 GMT -5
Examples of state tournament fields (I'm getting really into this idea):
MASSACHUSETTS @ TD Garden OR DCU Center OR MassMutual Center
1) Boston College 2) UMASS-Amherst 3) Harvard 4) Northeastern 5) Boston U. 6) UMass-Lowell 7) Holy Cross 8) Merrimack
NEW HAMPSHIRE @ Manchester, NH
1) Dartmouth 2) UNH 3) St. Anselm 4) Southern New Hampshire (they could have all their online degree commercials on the jumbo-tron) OR other top D-III
WASHINGTON DC @ Verizon Center
1) Georgetown 2) George Washington 3) American 4) Howard
VIRGINIA @ Richmond Coliseum
1) Virginia 2) Virginia Tech 3) VCU 4) Richmond 5) Old Dominion 6) Liberty 7) William & Mary 8) George Mason 9) James Madison 10) Radford 11) VMI 12) Longwood 13) Hampton 14) Norfolk State 15) Virginia Union (D-II HBCU) 16) Virginia State (D-II HBCU)
KENTUCKY @ Rupp Arena or Louisville, KY
1) Kentucky 2) Louisville 3) Murray State 4) Western Kentucky 5) Northern Kentucky 6) Morehead State 7) Eastern Kentucky 8) Top sub-DI
CONNECTICUT @ XL Center or Harbor Yards
1) UCONN 2) Yale 3) Fairfield 4) Sacred Heart 5) Central Connecticut State 6) Hartford 7) Quinnipiac 8) Top sub-DI (St. Thomas Aquinas & Jim Calhoun would be a good draw)
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 7, 2020 8:46:54 GMT -5
A couple more sold-out showcases:
DELAWARE @ Newark, DE (UD)
1) Delaware 2) Delaware State 3) University of Wilmington (D-II) 4) Wesley College (D-III)
NEW JERSEY @ Prudential Center (Newark) or The Meadowlands
1) Seton Hall 2) Rutgers 3) Monmouth 4) Princeton 5) Rider 6) FDU 7) St. Peter's 8) NJIT
RHODE ISLAND @ The Dunk
1) Providence 2) URI 3) Brown 4) Bryant
PENNSYLVANIA @ Wells Fargo Center (Philly) OR @ Peterson Events Center (Pittsburgh) OR @ State College
1) Villanova 2) Penn State 3) Pittsburgh 4) Temple 5) Penn 6) St. Joseph's 7) Bucknell 8) Duquesne 9) Robert Morris 10) Drexel 11) LaSalle 12) Lehigh 13) St. Francis 14) Lafayette 15) Sub-DI 16) Sub-DI
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 7, 2020 8:54:20 GMT -5
Of the schools in New England, the only two that might be outliers in terms of competitiveness in the Olympic sports would be UConn and BC. Haven’t put too much thought into it but you could put together 2 temporary conferences of 10-12 schools based on geography or school size. D1 Schools by State: Connecticut (7): Central Connecticut State University University of Connecticut University of Hartford Fairfield University Quinnipiac University Sacred Heart University Yale University Massachusetts (7): Boston College Boston University Harvard University College of the Holy Cross University of Massachusetts, Amherst University of Massachusetts, Lowell Northeastern University Rhode Island (4): Brown University Bryant University Providence College University of Rhode Island New Hampshire (2): Dartmouth UNH Maine (1): Univ of Maine Vermont (1): Univ of Vermont This is Bulletin board material for Merrimack. 🙂
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 7, 2020 8:59:19 GMT -5
Of the schools in New England, the only two that might be outliers in terms of competitiveness in the Olympic sports would be UConn and BC. Haven’t put too much thought into it but you could put together 2 temporary conferences of 10-12 schools based on geography or school size. D1 Schools by State: Connecticut (7): Central Connecticut State University University of Connecticut University of Hartford Fairfield University Quinnipiac University Sacred Heart University Yale University Massachusetts (7): Boston College Boston University Harvard University College of the Holy Cross University of Massachusetts, Amherst University of Massachusetts, Lowell Northeastern University Rhode Island (4): Brown University Bryant University Providence College University of Rhode Island New Hampshire (2): Dartmouth UNH Maine (1): Univ of Maine Vermont (1): Univ of Vermont This is Bulletin board material for Merrimack. 🙂 Somebody must need to update the "Division I schools in Massachusetts" wikipedia page...
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jun 7, 2020 9:26:00 GMT -5
nycru 2010 - you really to get out of the house...
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 7, 2020 9:39:08 GMT -5
Kentucky has an additional D-1 school :Bellarmine, which moves from D-2 (National champs a few years ago) to D-1 this coming season.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 7, 2020 9:55:08 GMT -5
nycru 2010 - you really to get out of the house... I could finish all 50 states by lunchtime. Luckily I’ve had the opportunity over the past couple of months to not be stuck in the house. Trying to be safe and maintain distance to protect those around me but being an “essential worker” has kept me somewhat sane. I’m also an “early to rise” kind of guy so even with an infant daughter I get a lot of me time in the AM.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 7, 2020 9:57:45 GMT -5
Appalachian State just dropped four sports to save 20% of their budget, or $5 million. Dropping down to D-2 might have saved $5 million while keeping all sports, but I'm sure that was not seriously considered, even though they used to be D-2 or 3. D-1 has a magnetic allure.
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Post by bigfan on Jun 7, 2020 10:04:38 GMT -5
The state tournament idea would never work. Teams from A-10, Big East would never approve of this idea.
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 7, 2020 10:14:36 GMT -5
Too bad. I like the idea and it could bring some big crowds back to college hoops to start the season. You are probably quite right though, it would never work.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 7, 2020 10:17:56 GMT -5
The state tournament idea would never work. Teams from A-10, Big East would never approve of this idea. PC might be an exception. The schools in Little Rhody play each other now and the games are popular.
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