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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 7, 2020 11:22:57 GMT -5
The state tournament idea would never work. Teams from A-10, Big East would never approve of this idea. Or any major conference for that matter. But it would be fun and allow the season to open with a bracket format which would be cool. And upsets could be rampant this early in the year at neutral sites.
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Post by hchoops on Jun 7, 2020 11:31:48 GMT -5
Teams in the state of NY would be too spread apart You would need a Metro NY tourney St.John’s Iona Manhattan Hofstra Stony Brook Wagner (Stealing from NJ: FDU St.Peter’s Seton Hall Rutgers Monmouth Rider Probably forgetting some
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 7, 2020 12:25:26 GMT -5
Teams in the state of NY would be too spread apart You would need a Metro NY tourney St.John’s Iona Manhattan Hofstra Stony Brook Wagner (Stealing from NJ: FDU St.Peter’s Seton Hall Rutgers Monmouth Rider Probably forgetting some 21 DI schools in NYS. Throw in 11 DII/DIII for a 32 team bracket held in Syracuse. You could have the lower profile games at Manley Field House and the bigger games at The Carrier Dome. Or split NY into METRO NYC and UPSTATE -- so two state tournaments.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 7, 2020 12:50:16 GMT -5
Maryland is another awkward one. 9 DI schools so to fill 16-team bracket you'd be playing with seven sub-DI. Plenty of colleges in Maryland but other option would be to combine Maryland/DC/Delaware so you'd have 15 DI and could add the top DII amongst the 3 to fill out 16.
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Post by rf1 on Jun 7, 2020 13:11:59 GMT -5
The state tournament idea would never work. Teams from A-10, Big East would never approve of this idea. PC might be an exception. The schools in Little Rhody play each other now and the games are popular. Actually Providence has not played either of Brown or Bryant for several seasons. Claimed they were SOS detriments. Did however find a way to play Penn this past year at the DDC. The Quakers beat the Friars.
URI has pretty much played Brown and PC EVERY year at least once for near 100 years (URI beat PC in Kingston but lost at Brown this past season). Has not played relatively new to D1 Bryant all that much. Played two years ago. URI will not do a H&H with Bryant as there is no history and tradition. Has offered buy games in Kingston but Bryant most years prefers a bigger pay day elsewhere.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 7, 2020 13:14:50 GMT -5
PC has also lost multiple times to Brown in relatively recent times.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 7, 2020 14:15:50 GMT -5
PC might be an exception. The schools in Little Rhody play each other now and the games are popular. Actually Providence has not played either of Brown or Bryant for several seasons. Claimed they were SOS detriments. Did however find a way to play Penn this past year at the DDC. The Quakers beat the Friars.
URI has pretty much played Brown and PC EVERY year at lease once for near 100 years (URI beat PC in Kingston but lost at Brown this past season). Has not played relatively new to D1 Bryant all that much. Played two years ago. URI will not do a H&H with Bryant as there is no history and tradition. Has offered buy games in Kingston but Bryant most years prefers a bigger pay day elsewhere. Overall I am not a big fan of Jim Calhoun but he made a point of scheduling in-state colleges regularly when he was Head Coach at UConn. Calhoun went 2-2 vs in-state rivals in 1986 and then 67-0 after that, so he wasn't risking much. He recognized the risk Holy Cross under Ralph Willard presented, however.
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Post by res on Jun 7, 2020 14:52:57 GMT -5
That Pine Tree State tournament is going to be a sellout no matter where it's played:
Maine (Orono) Colby Bowdoin Bates
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Post by timholycross on Jun 7, 2020 15:38:38 GMT -5
Teams in the state of NY would be too spread apart You would need a Metro NY tourney St.John’s Iona Manhattan Hofstra Stony Brook Wagner (Stealing from NJ: FDU St.Peter’s Seton Hall Rutgers Monmouth Rider Probably forgetting some 21 DI schools in NYS. Throw in 11 DII/DIII for a 32 team bracket held in Syracuse. You could have the lower profile games at Manley Field House and the bigger games at The Carrier Dome. Or split NY into METRO NYC and UPSTATE -- so two state tournaments. You forgot Columbia, Fordham, Army, St Francis Bklyn and LIU in greater NYC. So, that's 11. Add Marist to make 12. That leaves 3 from Buffalo, Bona, Cornell, Colgate, Syracuse, Siena, Binghamton, Albany...another 10.
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Post by efg72 on Jun 7, 2020 16:19:27 GMT -5
Actually Providence has not played either of Brown or Bryant for several seasons. Claimed they were SOS detriments. Did however find a way to play Penn this past year at the DDC. The Quakers beat the Friars.
URI has pretty much played Brown and PC EVERY year at lease once for near 100 years (URI beat PC in Kingston but lost at Brown this past season). Has not played relatively new to D1 Bryant all that much. Played two years ago. URI will not do a H&H with Bryant as there is no history and tradition. Has offered buy games in Kingston but Bryant most years prefers a bigger pay day elsewhere. Overall I am not a big fan of Jim Calhoun but he made a point of scheduling in-state colleges regularly when he was Head Coach at UConn. Calhoun went 2-2 vs in-state rivals in 1986 and then 67-0 after that, so he wasn't risking much. He recognized the risk Holy Cross under Ralph Willard presented, however. Jim is a good man, who has had to address multiple issues in his life most of us struggle and so has he He has been a good friend for many years and always been available to do the right thing for kids and the game some might disagree and that is your choice
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 7, 2020 16:28:08 GMT -5
21 DI schools in NYS. Throw in 11 DII/DIII for a 32 team bracket held in Syracuse. You could have the lower profile games at Manley Field House and the bigger games at The Carrier Dome. Or split NY into METRO NYC and UPSTATE -- so two state tournaments. You forgot Columbia, Fordham, Army, St Francis Bklyn and LIU in greater NYC. So, that's 11. Add Marist to make 12. That leaves 3 from Buffalo, Bona, Cornell, Colgate, Syracuse, Siena, Binghamton, Albany...another 10. Don't worry the NY Crusader NY State Tournament brackets are IN. Forget the Jersey schools -- they have their own tournament at The Rock which works out perfectly with 8 DI schools in the state. Note the inclusion of Vermont. New York (NYC METRO) @ MSG / Barclays 1) St. John’s 2) Hofstra 3) Iona 4) Stony Brook 5) Manhattan 6) LIU 7) St. Francis 8) Army 9) Fordham 10) Columbia 11) Marist 12) Wagner 13) Adelphi (D-II) 14) Pace (D-II) 15) NYIT (D-II) 16) Queens (D-II) New York UPSTATE @ Carrier Dome / Manley Field House 1) Syracuse 2) Vermont 3) Buffalo 4) St. Bonaventure 5) Colgate 6) Albany 7) Siena 8) Niagara 9) Cornell 10) Binghamton 11) Canisius 12) LeMoye (D-II) 13) St. Rose (D-II) 14) Daeman (D-II) 15) Brockport (D-III) 16) RPI (D-III)
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Post by res on Jun 7, 2020 18:37:24 GMT -5
Vermont?
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 7, 2020 19:25:08 GMT -5
Overall I am not a big fan of Jim Calhoun but he made a point of scheduling in-state colleges regularly when he was Head Coach at UConn. Calhoun went 2-2 vs in-state rivals in 1986 and then 67-0 after that, so he wasn't risking much. He recognized the risk Holy Cross under Ralph Willard presented, however. Jim is a good man, who has had to address multiple issues in his life most of us struggle and so has he He has been a good friend for many years and always been available to do the right thing for kids and the game some might disagree and that is your choice OK, I'll switch to being a fan since you know him and can vouch for him. The Gym at the new YMCA in Putnam, CT. is named for him and his wife. I believe because of his efforts in fundraising or donating or both. I noted awhile ago that I saw him last summer at the Walmart in Putnam. He was pushing a basket filled with cook-out type items. I just viewed him from a distance but remember he was moving with a certain difficulty or limp and a belch of some sort, but on his face was a determined look of steel that you see on high achievers who move mountains to achieve a goal. Not a look that would encourage a stranger to buttonhole him and chat him up about basketball, but someone who gets things done.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 7, 2020 19:27:44 GMT -5
Easier for them to cross the lake than drive to Southern New England.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jun 7, 2020 19:32:35 GMT -5
You all realize none of these will ever happen, but if you enjoy playing fantasy- so be it.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 7, 2020 19:46:16 GMT -5
You all realize none of these will ever happen, but if you enjoy playing fantasy- so be it. Yes, I'm envisioning Holy Cross receiving a Paul Revere Bowl from Governor Baker and being crowned state champion in something. What hardware would Governor Cuomo hand out?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 7, 2020 19:48:19 GMT -5
You all realize none of these will ever happen, but if you enjoy playing fantasy- so be it. HC70's Jesuit Holiday tournament would happen well before any of these. But yes playing fantasy is still quite fun.
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Post by res on Jun 7, 2020 19:54:11 GMT -5
Easier for them to cross the lake than drive to Southern New England. Couldn't they just play McGill?
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 7, 2020 20:05:48 GMT -5
Easier for them to cross the lake than drive to Southern New England. Couldn't they just play McGill? McGill MBB and WBB played Maine in November. Men lost 70-63 and Women lost 61-22. Perhaps Canada has no Title Nine.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 8, 2020 5:23:07 GMT -5
Couldn't they just play McGill? McGill MBB and WBB played Maine in November. Men lost 70-63 and Women lost 61-22. Perhaps Canada has no Title Nine. Probably more of a function that Maine basketball is perpetually a complete dumpster fire. Think HC 2019-2020 on repeat. Title IX is a portion of the Civil Rights Act if I'm not mistaken. Basically means that in order to be eligible for federal aid, schools must comply with a list of gender equality guidelines with a range of applications. I don't think the Canadian government is in the student loan business so chances are similar legislation is not on the books up there.
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Post by rf1 on Jun 8, 2020 7:49:24 GMT -5
Actually Providence has not played either of Brown or Bryant for several seasons. Claimed they were SOS detriments. Did however find a way to play Penn this past year at the DDC. The Quakers beat the Friars.
URI has pretty much played Brown and PC EVERY year at lease once for near 100 years (URI beat PC in Kingston but lost at Brown this past season). Has not played relatively new to D1 Bryant all that much. Played two years ago. URI will not do a H&H with Bryant as there is no history and tradition. Has offered buy games in Kingston but Bryant most years prefers a bigger pay day elsewhere. Overall I am not a big fan of Jim Calhoun but he made a point of scheduling in-state colleges regularly when he was Head Coach at UConn. Calhoun went 2-2 vs in-state rivals in 1986 and then 67-0 after that, so he wasn't risking much. He recognized the risk Holy Cross under Ralph Willard presented, however.
Calhoun killed scheduling UConn's most played opponent of all time (then and even still today). UConn had played URI some 135 games when Calhoun got things going in Storrs in the 1980's. The two teams have played only about 5 games since. Even with hardly any games played in the last three decades, Rhody is still the most played opponent for UConn by close to 30 games.
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Post by Tom on Jun 8, 2020 7:57:37 GMT -5
Examples of state tournament fields (I'm getting really into this idea): NEW HAMPSHIRE @ Manchester, NH 1) Dartmouth 2) UNH 3) St. Anselm 4) Southern New Hampshire (they could have all their online degree commercials on the jumbo-tron) OR other top D-III Random FYI - SNHU is D-II and is in the Northeast conference with St A's, Assumption et al. Franklin Pierce is also D-II and in the Northeast 10. In addition to jumbotron ads, the civic center in Manchester has been renamed the SNHU arena, so plenty of ads if they play or not
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jun 8, 2020 8:24:41 GMT -5
You'd be floored if you knew what SNHU spends nationally on advertising for their on-line programs.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 11, 2020 19:42:58 GMT -5
That Pine Tree State tournament is going to be a sellout no matter where it's played: Maine (Orono) Colby Bowdoin Bates It would be competitive, Ill give it that.
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