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Post by sader1970 on May 22, 2016 10:06:48 GMT -5
uh, I guess I would be included in both counts and thanks for the euphemism "old-schoolers" rather than "old-timers" or "old-guys." It sounds nicer.
I have never heard Bob Fouracre's stand-up routine but there is no doubt that Jack Donohue could have had a successful career on the stand-up comedy circuit. His stories about recruiting and the not-so-smart, great players who couldn't get into Holy Cross were hysterical.
Much shortened version of one story: Top talent highschooler from the Bronx was interested in going to a school in the Albany area. Donohue knows the kid wants to stay close to home and he thinks Albany is right around the corner from the Bronx, has a map on the wall and points to the map and says to the kid: "How far do you think it is from here (Bronx) to here (Albany)?" Kid's serious response: "3 inches." Donohue says: "I knew right then he wasn't getting into Holy Cross. But I was curious and later measured the distance on the map and it was exactly 3 inches. I realized then that was why the kid was such a great shooter. We didn't get him."
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Post by hchoops on May 22, 2016 11:04:42 GMT -5
I'm a lifelong Bona fan so I've followed Baron for a long time. I'm not sure it's as much as him being a great storyteller as it is that he has such great stories to tell. It used to be notoriously difficult to get any kind of interesting quote from him while he was coaching -- no Al McGuire, he -- but he really let it go in this press conference. I knew that most of you old-schoolers would enjoy it, especially you guys who grew up in New York. The great Bona teams had many NYC players. I saw the Tom and Sam Stith team with Freddie Crawford, all from NYC, team play the Ohio State team with Jerry Lucas. I think they were coached by Eddie Donovan, who later became coach of the Knicks. |
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Post by res on May 22, 2016 11:06:38 GMT -5
Funny story, but every guy from Long Island I've ever met is under the same impression. That famous New Yorker cover is not too far from fact.
btw, old-schooler wasn't meant as a euphemism. I lean towards old-schoolism myself, and I'm precariously close to old-timer, as well. But one can be old-school without being an old-timer and vice versa. Baron himself was an old-schooler when he was still playing.
(replying to sader1970)
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Post by res on May 22, 2016 11:12:25 GMT -5
I'm a lifelong Bona fan so I've followed Baron for a long time. I'm not sure it's as much as him being a great storyteller as it is that he has such great stories to tell. It used to be notoriously difficult to get any kind of interesting quote from him while he was coaching -- no Al McGuire, he -- but he really let it go in this press conference. I knew that most of you old-schoolers would enjoy it, especially you guys who grew up in New York. The great Bona teams had many NYC players. I saw the Tom and Sam Stith team with Freddie Crawford, all from NYC, team play the Ohio State team with Jerry Lucas. I think they were coached by Eddie Donovan, who later became coach of the Knicks. Yep, the Stiths went to St. Francis Prep in Brooklyn. Crawford went to Samuel Gompers in the Bronx. That Ohio State team also had Havlicek, Siegfried, and a young Bobby Knight coming off the bench. |
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Post by hchoops on May 22, 2016 11:28:48 GMT -5
Tom Stith could have been a great pro if he did not get TB, I believe it was. He was a smooth shooting lefty with fluid moves inside and out. He was second in scoring to the Big O in 1960, 31.5 ppg, drafted #2 overall to the Knicks in '61.
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Post by sarasota on May 22, 2016 11:43:57 GMT -5
Oscar had the most beautiful free throw motion I have ever seen.
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Post by Tom on May 23, 2016 15:28:16 GMT -5
Fava's Twitter account pretty clearly references his tenure at HC as ending in 2016. Fava is now off the school's coaches' page, but I scanned his twitter and didn't see anything hinting he was gone |
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Post by hchoops on May 23, 2016 15:53:28 GMT -5
Fava's Twitter account pretty clearly references his tenure at HC as ending in 2016. Fava is now off the school's coaches' page, but I scanned his twitter and didn't see anything hinting he was gone He is gone |
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Post by hcnation on May 24, 2016 13:44:23 GMT -5
Delaware to hire Notre Dame assistant Martin Ingelsby, according to reports
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 24, 2016 14:51:23 GMT -5
Delaware to hire Notre Dame assistant Martin Ingelsby, according to reports Very interesting-- haven't we discussed before how so many Mike Brey assistants have had disastrous stints as head coaches??? |
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Post by Jim on May 24, 2016 15:14:11 GMT -5
Delaware to hire Notre Dame assistant Martin Ingelsby, according to reports Very interesting-- haven't we discussed before how so many Mike Brey assistants have had disastrous stints as head coaches??? Is there more than one whose disastrous stint matters?  |
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Post by sarasota on May 24, 2016 16:04:23 GMT -5
Hoops & res- Too bad Lanier got hurt. Was it before the NIT or the NCAA?
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Post by hchoops on May 24, 2016 16:12:53 GMT -5
Hoops & res- Too bad Lanier got hurt. Was it before the NIT or the NCAA? The NCAA |
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Post by timholycross on May 24, 2016 17:03:25 GMT -5
1969. He got hurt vs Villanova in the Eastern Final, which SBU won. So he missed the national semi vs Jacksonville (Lanier vs Artis Gilmore would have been a good matchup).
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Post by res on May 25, 2016 7:45:21 GMT -5
Yes, Chris Ford rolled into the back of his knee with Bona up about 20 with just under 10 minutes to go. Some people at the time said Ford did it on purpose (as some people always will). I didn't think so. But, I saw a grainy replay sometime in the last 10 years or so and now I'm not so sure. (Don't worry, I still believe the moon landings were real.  ) Fran O'Hanlon was on that Villanova team. |
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Post by res on May 29, 2016 9:09:19 GMT -5
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Post by southernsader on May 29, 2016 9:36:11 GMT -5
All 52 D-1 Openings now filled.
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Post by southernsader on Jun 1, 2016 23:23:46 GMT -5
As we know, Martin Inglesby is the new HC at Delaware. Anthony Solomon has now also left ND (lateral move to assistant at Georgetown). With two vacancies at ND, might FCSK find his way from Boulder back to South Bend?
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 2, 2016 6:58:39 GMT -5
As we know, Martin Inglesby is the new HC at Delaware. Anthony Solomon has now also left ND (lateral move to assistant at Georgetown). With two vacancies at ND, might FCSK find his way from Boulder back to South Bend? I would hope so since that seems a step on the road back up. He did have success there. But, if he is happy where is is right now, then good luck to him. |
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 2, 2016 8:17:04 GMT -5
I found SK to be a very personable and likable guy. That said, looking back with 20/20 hindsight, my feeling was that Brey was looking to outplace his buddy and was not upset to see him go nor have an open door to bring him back.
I wish Sean the best but don't think it will be at South Bend. And, yes, pure speculation on my part.
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Post by hchoops on Jun 2, 2016 8:17:24 GMT -5
As we know, Martin Inglesby is the new HC at Delaware. Anthony Solomon has now also left ND (lateral move to assistant at Georgetown). With two vacancies at ND, might FCSK find his way from Boulder back to South Bend? Solomon and Ingelsby have reps as good recruiters is that CSK's strength ? |
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Post by hc6774 on Jun 2, 2016 8:34:56 GMT -5
hoops... how would you define 'good' recruiter?
e.g. consistently lands top talent, i.e. out recruits rivals? OR finds & lands talent not appreciated by your rivals?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jun 2, 2016 8:58:43 GMT -5
Former ND forward Ryan Humphrey looking like he will be filling one of the coaching vacancies.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jun 2, 2016 10:13:00 GMT -5
I found SK to be a very personable and likable guy. That said, looking back with 20/20 hindsight, my feeling was that Brey was looking to outplace his buddy and was not upset to see him go nor have an open door to bring him back.
I wish Sean the best but don't think it will be at South Bend. And, yes, pure speculation on my part. I concur. It's a lot less painful than firing a friend, yet brings about the same desired result. No chance that Brey could have possibly thought that SK was prepared to run his own program. |
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Post by hchoops on Jun 2, 2016 13:41:46 GMT -5
hoops... how would you define 'good' recruiter? e.g. consistently lands top talent, i.e. out recruits rivals? OR finds & lands talent not appreciated by your rivals? It depends on the level in ND's case there are few hidden gems to find, so there it is a matter of knowing many top AAU and hs coaches being able to land good players on your level is obviously key |
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