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Post by cmo on Jun 6, 2020 21:27:21 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Jun 6, 2020 22:01:54 GMT -5
Was a grad assistant at ND and came to HC with Vaas. Was OL coach during the Vaas years.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 6, 2020 22:13:19 GMT -5
$800,000 per year for the strength coach is outrageous. Iowa has college students from poor families like every other state has. Three quarters of that salary should be going towards financial aid, imo.
Secondly, this micro managing and trying to dictate what the culture will be is an unforced error. I felt the same way when I read that Coach Nelson was requiring HC MBB players to sit in certain rows in class and wear their caps in certain ways. The team culture should be whatever the players create. Guide the players, give advice if asked, but to make rules about caps and tattoos is being a control freak. Earn the players' respect by helping them become better players through your coaching skill and being young people they will want to be like the coach role models they admire.
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Post by thecrossisback on Jun 6, 2020 22:24:04 GMT -5
I felt the same way when I read that Coach Nelson was requiring HC MBB players to sit in certain rows in class and wear their caps in certain ways. The team culture should be whatever the players create. Guide the players, give advice if asked, but to make rules about caps and tattoos is being a control freak. Earn the players' respect by helping them become better players through your coaching skill and being young people they will want to be like the coach role models they admire. I know nothing about the Iowa situation. But with HC basketball. Maybe the students will realize when they look back, that the coach was right. They might look back and say you know it was important to sit in front of the class and wear your hat a certain way. With regards to the players it should not be all about them and what I they want all of the time. Maybe the coach had an experience that they did not have. Of course you should respect the players, but they should respect the coaches and their rules as well. Geno Auriemma said it best. "High school and college players watch the pro's and think they are going to be "cool just like them." When in reality like Geno says "they have no idea what foot to use as a pivot foot."
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 6, 2020 22:48:44 GMT -5
I felt the same way when I read that Coach Nelson was requiring HC MBB players to sit in certain rows in class and wear their caps in certain ways. The team culture should be whatever the players create. Guide the players, give advice if asked, but to make rules about caps and tattoos is being a control freak. Earn the players' respect by helping them become better players through your coaching skill and being young people they will want to be like the coach role models they admire. I know nothing about the Iowa situation. But with HC basketball. Maybe the students will realize when they look back, that the coach was right. They might look back and say you know it was important to sit in front of the class and wear your hat a certain way. With regards to the players it should not be all about them and what I they want all of the time. Maybe the coach had an experience that they did not have. Of course you should respect the players, but they should respect the coaches and their rules as well. Geno Auriemma said it best. "High school and college players watch the pro's and think they are going to be "cool just like them." When in reality like Geno says "they have no idea what foot to use as a pivot foot." Good points, but when the coach makes a rule over something that is 100% a non-basketball student choice he has to devote time and energy trying to enforce it even though he doesn't have a legal leg to stand on to begin with. You run the risk of veering into Captain Queeg territory over an issue that has no connection to the basketball skills you are hired to teach. A coach that can help a player have an "ah ha" moment by mentioning: "It's a good idea to sit in front of the class so you are perceived as an eager student instead of stereotyped as a dumb jock. You might even get a little better grade from the Professor." is miles ahead because he doesn't have to spend an ounce of energy on the subject again and he won't be having any conflict with his players about their seat selection that could carry over into basketball.
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Post by hc87 on Jun 7, 2020 14:16:39 GMT -5
Agree with longsuff....when a strength coach is making close to a million dollahs a year, it's well past time to take a long look on what's going on in major college football.
From reading this, Doyle sounds like a real Neanderthal.
ETA: sadly, a local product: BC High and BU, from Quincy
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Post by timholycross on Jun 7, 2020 15:14:50 GMT -5
Just a kid (24) when he worked for Peter Vaas....anyone have any anecdotes about him?
I think it was his last stop as a football coach; other stops (Wisconsin, Utah, Iowa) were all as S&C coach.
His salary should tell us the following: 1. How much $ is at stake if no college football is played this year. All those bloated salaries still have to be paid. 2. Holy Cross has no chance of ever playing basketball or football at Iowa's level. Don't see anyone capable of making an argument that HC could. That salary is more than our three head coaches (Chesney, Nelson, Magarity) combined.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jun 7, 2020 20:23:44 GMT -5
I was on the board of a youth football team for several years during the 1990’s. Two of our former players, we’re on the Iowa team in the early 2000’s. One played at QB. I hope I can get in touch with one of the parents of our former players to hear his perspective, now that the cat is out of the bag regarding Mr. Doyle.
Very disappointing that Iowa’s coaching staff has not overseen better control within their program. A bright light must be shown on bad actors that can place an institution in a negative position.
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Post by joe on Jun 8, 2020 16:46:29 GMT -5
There’s no way a S&C coach is making 800k. That has to be a misprint or an error. If this is true, something is truly wrong.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jun 8, 2020 18:43:17 GMT -5
There’s no way a S&C coach is making 800k. That has to be a misprint or an error. If this is true, something is truly wrong. There has been quite a lot of publicity about the value of strength and conditioning coaches in top programs the last couple years. Strength and conditioning coaches are able to spend a very significant amount of time with players throughout the year (including the offseason), while the actual football coaches face restrictions due to NCAA rules and/or are out on the road recruiting. Article from 2018: amp.usatoday.com/amp/2207764002
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Post by timholycross on Jun 8, 2020 18:45:17 GMT -5
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 8, 2020 20:00:54 GMT -5
That's crazy. A strength & conditioning coach paid more than the OC.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 14, 2020 6:56:49 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 14, 2020 10:49:25 GMT -5
Even the late Jack LaLane was not worth that much.
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Post by hc87 on Jun 14, 2020 11:25:21 GMT -5
Jack had a lot of dog food to buy too....
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Post by hc87 on Jun 15, 2020 12:47:30 GMT -5
Doyle was just released by Iowa according to twitter...
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Post by timholycross on Jun 15, 2020 14:50:31 GMT -5
That's a nice golden parachute...and 15 months salary goes a longer way in Iowa City than around these parts, I bet.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 15, 2020 16:54:57 GMT -5
"Bing" Wanna get away? No, not necessarily because 15 months severance is worth exactly $1 million. Plus about five weeks left of an extra $600/week in unemployment compensation.
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Post by bfoley82 on Feb 11, 2021 15:01:33 GMT -5
Chris Doyle has a NEW JOB
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Feb 11, 2021 15:23:47 GMT -5
Be a prick and get a better job. I'm sure this will go over just great with the Jax players.
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Post by bfoley82 on Feb 11, 2021 15:35:29 GMT -5
Be a prick and get a better job. I'm sure this will go over just great with the Jax players. Yep
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Post by bfoley82 on Feb 12, 2021 23:18:19 GMT -5
He resigned tonight from the Jaguars
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Post by HC92 on Feb 12, 2021 23:41:03 GMT -5
Doesn’t bode well for Meyer’s ability to lead an NFL franchise if he couldn’t think through the ramifications of this hire and anticipate what the reaction would be. Unforced error.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 13, 2021 0:52:30 GMT -5
The continued growth of cancel culture and the virtue signaling Internet vultures continue to do far more harm than good for the country.
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Post by bfoley82 on Feb 13, 2021 4:37:56 GMT -5
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