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Post by HC92 on Feb 13, 2021 7:24:14 GMT -5
Lots of people who didn’t do anything wrong are named as defendants in lawsuits. I don’t think Doyle is one of those but the existence of a lawsuit against someone isn’t proof of anything.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 13, 2021 8:13:54 GMT -5
Wait, are you trying to say that in this country a person should be considered innocent until proven guilty? That is quite a revolutionary concept.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 13, 2021 8:21:25 GMT -5
A couple former players didn’t like him (out of the, what, 500+ football players over 20 years at Iowa?), some others pile on, and now he’s labeled a racist across the Internet by people who wouldn’t know who the guy was if he fell on their head, he isn’t allowed to defend himself, and now apparently isn’t allowed to ever get another job. Sorrey, but I don’t believe that Doyle could have had the career that he’s had if he was the “racist” that the Internet is convinced that he is. And in general, I don’t believe that 30-year careers should be flushed down the toilet without any due process.
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Post by alum on Feb 13, 2021 8:46:09 GMT -5
1. Innocent until proven guilty only applies to criminal courts. Employment decision makers assess risk.
2. As 92 notes, the filing of a lawsuit doesn’t prove anything but it certainly should give a future employer pause. At a minimum, Meyer should have had the matter investigated, discussed it with ownership, his coaches and players and been prepared to explain why he didn’t believe the accusation.
3. Urban Meyer has had a problem with overlooking the conduct of his assistants before. You would think he would have done a better job here.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 13, 2021 8:56:26 GMT -5
Alum, On point one you are "legally" correct. However, what sort of society would act as if people were guilty of misconduct based only on an accusation with no chance to defend themselves? I have seen this done to people who were "crucified" in the media and later proven innocent of the accusation.
I would add that the ability to do a thing does not, by itself, give one the right to do it or make that action acceptable.
(PS: I am no fan of Urban Myer and I have no way of judging Doyle's behavior. I am only commenting on the way he seems to have been treated.)
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Post by bfoley82 on Feb 13, 2021 11:15:48 GMT -5
1. Innocent until proven guilty only applies to criminal courts. Employment decision makers assess risk. 2. As 92 notes, the filing of a lawsuit doesn’t prove anything but it certainly should give a future employer pause. At a minimum, Meyer should have had the matter investigated, discussed it with ownership, his coaches and players and been prepared to explain why he didn’t believe the accusation. 3. Urban Meyer has had a problem with overlooking the conduct of his assistants before. You would think he would have done a better job here. Meyer defended the hire saying Doyle worked with him at Utah. Check the dates and they never crossed paths. Meyer has always been a bad seed. So you automatically think that 13 guys named in the lawsuit against Iowa just randomly decided to make a racial charge against the head coach, his son, Doyle, etc out of the blue? There is no reason the Jaguars needed to hire Doyle with plenty of other strength coaches out there that don't have his baggage.
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Post by alum on Feb 13, 2021 11:35:18 GMT -5
I believe the Iowa players on the basis of limited knowledge but I don’t demand others do so. I just think Meyer did a disservice to himself and to Doyle in botching this
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Post by HC92 on Feb 13, 2021 11:43:31 GMT -5
My read of the Doyle situation based on extremely limited info is that he’s probably an “old school” guy who doesn’t like tats or earrings or long hair or wearing baseball hats inside. I recall Coach Duff having a lot of those types of rules. Not a racist by any stretch but from a different time when these types of thing were thought of differently by society at large than they might be today. Could such things that were accepted as part of building a disciplined team in the late 80s today be viewed as racist by some? Probably. Whether that’s what happened with Doyle, I have no idea but it seems to fit with the little I’ve read.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 13, 2021 11:44:24 GMT -5
So you automatically think that 13 guys named in the lawsuit against Iowa just randomly decided to make a racial charge against the head coach, his son, Doyle, etc out of the blue? Did anyone say what you cite? I don't remember anyone saying that. What if there were some other agenda that brought them together? Why random? Of course one option could be that everything they charge is true. Some of what I have seen at high school practices is almost beyond belief in terms of racism.* But once again, does making an accusation make something true by itself? I don't feel it does. *[One high school head coach had an Asian-American wide receiver who was dedicated and talented - regularly stretching out his body and slamming into the ground to try for the reception. After one such play I heard him say "What happened there? Your eyes too 'slanted' to see the ball?" What happened to that coach? He was eventually hired to coach at Fordham University. ]
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 13, 2021 12:28:40 GMT -5
1. Innocent until proven guilty only applies to criminal courts. Employment decision makers assess risk. 2. As 92 notes, the filing of a lawsuit doesn’t prove anything but it certainly should give a future employer pause. At a minimum, Meyer should have had the matter investigated, discussed it with ownership, his coaches and players and been prepared to explain why he didn’t believe the accusation. 3. Urban Meyer has had a problem with overlooking the conduct of his assistants before. You would think he would have done a better job here. Meyer defended the hire saying Doyle worked with him at Utah. Check the dates and they never crossed paths. Meyer has always been a bad seed. So you automatically think that 13 guys named in the lawsuit against Iowa just randomly decided to make a racial charge against the head coach, his son, Doyle, etc out of the blue? There is no reason the Jaguars needed to hire Doyle with plenty of other strength coaches out there that don't have his baggage. I’m saying that Doyle and Ferentz have coached ~1,000 football players over the course of their careers. This includes spending countless hours with African American players (+coaches). If these guys were truly “racists,” they would have to be tremendous actors to have lasted this long, and there would be a hell of a lot more than 13 names on that lawsuit.
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Post by mm67 on Feb 13, 2021 15:31:52 GMT -5
Doyle has resigned.Case closed.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 13, 2021 22:38:42 GMT -5
Doyle has resigned.Case closed. Case closed in exchange for an agreement to pay him his full contract as an inducement to go away quietly and not prolong the negative publicity for the team and Meyer, I would imagine.
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Post by bfoley82 on Feb 13, 2021 23:30:43 GMT -5
Lots of people who didn’t do anything wrong are named as defendants in lawsuits. I don’t think Doyle is one of those but the existence of a lawsuit against someone isn’t proof of anything. Lots of Strength coaches don't step on player's fingers and have 13 players hospitalized with rhabdomyolysis. But that is just me.
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