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Post by rgs318 on Jun 10, 2020 15:17:28 GMT -5
It was still nice to be hearing from BN and I hope we get this sort of communication often.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 10, 2020 15:30:11 GMT -5
What constitutes success in Year 2?
It’s not about the win-loss record. It’s never really been about that for me. Yeah, I’m as competitive as they come. But are our guys living in the present? Are they being the best they can be where their feet are? Are we process-driven or are we result-driven? Maximum effort and an unselfish attitude are going to put you in position for success, but you have to execute to win. So are we executing better? Is our quality of play improving? Are we contesting more shots and more passes? Are we making the extra pass on offense? Is our spacing getting better? There’s a lot of things, but it goes back to execution.
Well, I sure hope it becomes about the win-loss record at some point. For CBN is it Year 3 or year 4? I think we need to win 10 or 12 games this coming season
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jun 10, 2020 15:32:15 GMT -5
Not picking on Nelson here...just that it was a very bland article (imo)....probably more of a function of the interviewer than HCBN. Agree. Hamilton could have asked some more poignant questions about coaching at HC. Seems like the questions he asked are universal for just about any other interview he'd conduct for a first year head coach.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jun 10, 2020 15:42:55 GMT -5
What constitutes success in Year 2?
It’s not about the win-loss record. It’s never really been about that for me. Yeah, I’m as competitive as they come. But are our guys living in the present? Are they being the best they can be where their feet are? Are we process-driven or are we result-driven? Maximum effort and an unselfish attitude are going to put you in position for success, but you have to execute to win. So are we executing better? Is our quality of play improving? Are we contesting more shots and more passes? Are we making the extra pass on offense? Is our spacing getting better? There’s a lot of things, but it goes back to execution.Well, I sure hope it becomes about the win-loss record at some point. For CBN is it Year 3 or year 4? I think we need to win 10 or 12 games this coming season This is completely missing the point. The idea is that focusing on building the program the right way will lead to wins without needing to set some arbitrary W/L total. It's about the process more than the immediate result. Just found 5 other "My First Year" interviews with coaches. How they started their answers to this questions: -"It’s not a wins and losses thing at all." -"Being better. Being better than we were last year. Our fans seeing a young, exciting team, where you could look at us and see what the future is beginning to look like." -"It’s not a numeric thing. It’s not wins and losses for me. It’s never been that way. I’m a process guy. It’s qualitative. The quality of play." -"We want to focus on things other than the result — but our results obviously need to be better too." -"Every year is kind of similar. Can you maximize what your group is capable of?"
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jun 10, 2020 15:46:06 GMT -5
Hope these coaches know that if there aren't more wins than losses by year three or four, they will probably need to have their resumes updated for another job.
At what point is it about the win-loss record for Nelson?
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 10, 2020 16:09:19 GMT -5
A legitimate question. If wins are your concern...in the coming year Would see 9-10 wins as a good benchmark. In year 3 and beyond, a winning record is essential. IMHO.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 10, 2020 16:16:23 GMT -5
What constitutes success in Year 2?
It’s not about the win-loss record. It’s never really been about that for me. Yeah, I’m as competitive as they come. But are our guys living in the present? Are they being the best they can be where their feet are? Are we process-driven or are we result-driven? Maximum effort and an unselfish attitude are going to put you in position for success, but you have to execute to win. So are we executing better? Is our quality of play improving? Are we contesting more shots and more passes? Are we making the extra pass on offense? Is our spacing getting better? There’s a lot of things, but it goes back to execution.Well, I sure hope it becomes about the win-loss record at some point. For CBN is it Year 3 or year 4? I think we need to win 10 or 12 games this coming season This is completely missing the point. The idea is that focusing on building the program the right way will lead to wins without needing to set some arbitrary W/L total. It's about the process more than the immediate result. Just found 5 other "My First Year" interviews with coaches. How they started their answers to this questions: -"It’s not a wins and losses thing at all." -"Being better. Being better than we were last year. Our fans seeing a young, exciting team, where you could look at us and see what the future is beginning to look like." -"It’s not a numeric thing. It’s not wins and losses for me. It’s never been that way. I’m a process guy. It’s qualitative. The quality of play." -"We want to focus on things other than the result — but our results obviously need to be better too." -"Every year is kind of similar. Can you maximize what your group is capable of?" Thank you for finding these excellent examples of "coach speak"
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 10, 2020 16:43:48 GMT -5
Hope these coaches know that if there aren't more wins than losses by year three or four, they will probably need to have their resumes updated for another job. At what point is it about the win-loss record for Nelson? After the Covid Bomb that has hit college finances, it probably won't be about wins and losses until the end of his contract but there won't be many excuses at that time because Coach Nelson has had an unusually quick opportunity to hand pick his roster. I like the game plan, which was basically laid out by BBC months ago and is now being paraphrased by Nelson in June (maybe BBC is the one popping into his office for an hour ). However, if HC MBB doesn't start winning at some point the malaise will become permanent, so he has to start winning by year 3 or 4 I would think. I will feel good about the program also if the players are correctly aligned with the college and the revolving door of transfers stops. Even if some of the incoming players don't turn out to have great D-1 talent, Coach Nelson is laying out a roadmap for them to become valued members of the team by having high character, being there for their teammates, being on time, being where their feet are (living in the present) and being selfless, so there shouldn't be a lot of pressure to transfer out if Coach has recruited players right for the school and the program.
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Post by dadominate on Jun 10, 2020 17:14:29 GMT -5
A legitimate question. If wins are your concern...in the coming year Would see 9-10 wins as a good benchmark. In year 3 and beyond, a winning record is essential. IMHO. definitely a legitimate question. although i would want to see more than 9-10 wins next year to be considered a "good benchmark". that would still be pretty pathetic in a patriot league schedule, and if nelson's first year hadn't been such a disaster, i think we would all be really disappointed with that in year two. i expect us to win in the 10 range, but i would consider a relatively good season 12+ wins. that is still close to 20 losses in the patriot league. nelson can and should do better, imo.
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Post by HC16 on Jun 10, 2020 17:42:07 GMT -5
how about you quit with the "haters" nonsense? there isn't a single hater of nelson on the board. there isn't even any regular poster who dislikes nelson, to my knowledge. what are you trying to accomplish with this? images.app.goo.gl/kZY7vSqtwHLBKGfX9He's an angry elf hater You make some very good posts where you support your arguments with hard evidence and concrete observations from games you watched. You clearly care about the program. It's stuff like this that causes people to tune out or what you say. Dado is one of the most passionate fans on the board and I'm sure he wants Nelson to succeed as much as anybody. He even prefers they same style of play you've been calling for, a tough, physical, attack-oriented style. So why go after him as a "hater"? Like Dado said, no one on this board wants Nelson to fail (except possibly 137, but I suspect even he would prefer a strong HC program for Bucknell to play against ). Most here would agree that, with all that's happened, the program needed an overhaul. Where other people seem to be willing to discuss that there may be better ways to rebuild the program, you seem so convinced that Nelson's way is the only way to where you'll argue against points the other poster wasn't making. I happen to think there are things Nelson could have done better this season, but nobody is infallible (except the Pope in some instances ). I also believe he has a very good recruiting class coming in and I'm excited to see RJ, Bubba, Louth, Rabinovich, Martindale, Bo and Townsel play this season. I'll judge his next season by the progress in his process. I'll be judging how the team looks and how the underlying stats support the growth of the team in the direction he wants to go. I'm an optimist though, so I happen to think his process should yield between 8-12 wins next year depending on team health, strength of schedule, and length of season. I'll be at every home game I can attend and I'll probably be at a few road games cheering like mad for the team, hoping for them to improve. The automatic attack against anything not glowingly positive about Nelson is reaching HC70 levels. I don't know what the reason is, if your hatred for NP/BC runs that deep or if you are just dug-in so deep to the point where you don't think you can back out, but you're only hurting yourself at this point. I hope you focus back on providing good insight as to what's working and what isn't instead of wasting your time on attacking Nelson supporters.
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Post by hchoops on Jun 10, 2020 17:48:27 GMT -5
For those who have a subscription, author Hamilton has replied to each comment. Seems he did know Nelson before this interview. He is optimistic about HC hoops under Nelson
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Post by Tom on Jun 11, 2020 8:11:33 GMT -5
Vanilla is my favorite flavor of milkshake. Coffee is my favorite flavor, but in New England a milk shake was only milk and syrup blended to a froth. A frappe had ice cream and milk and syrup. An ice cream cone was 10 cents, a milk shake 20 cents and a frappe 30 cents at my local drug store. Whether that regional quirk has disappeared, I haven't noticed. There are not many corner drug stores left and CVS doesn't have a soda fountain. A frappe is still what you get if you blend ice cream into a milk shake. I cannot think of a drug store that still has a soda fountain
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Post by lou on Jun 11, 2020 8:29:00 GMT -5
No frappes in W Mass where I grew up
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 11, 2020 9:45:25 GMT -5
No frappes in W Mass where I grew up Was soda called soda or tonic? I noticed it was called soda in Eastern Mass, but tonic by my relatives in Central Mass.
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Post by lou on Jun 11, 2020 9:58:44 GMT -5
What's tonic?
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 11, 2020 10:04:10 GMT -5
Maybe it was just my relatives who called soda "tonic". I was wondering if it was a Central Mass regional thing.
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Post by hc6774 on Jun 11, 2020 10:06:08 GMT -5
No frappes in W Mass where I grew up Was soda called soda or tonic? I noticed it was called soda in Eastern Mass, but tonic by my relatives in Central Mass. My roommate from RI called them 'cabinets'
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 11, 2020 10:14:17 GMT -5
My recollection was that tonic was the term at least in metro Boston
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jun 11, 2020 10:49:13 GMT -5
Maybe it was just my relatives who called soda "tonic". I was wondering if it was a Central Mass regional thing. Also known as tonic in my central mass home.
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Post by hc87 on Jun 11, 2020 10:58:58 GMT -5
All soda (cola, root beer etc) was called "tonic" in greater Boston (I didn't know its usage extended to CMass) for most of the 20th C. Its usage has died out by most under 50 or so it seems. A dying regional idiom sadly.
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Post by CHC8485 on Jun 11, 2020 11:25:47 GMT -5
How 'bout a bubbler? Or should I say bubblah.
had no clue what that was when I arrived at HC from Long Island in August 1981.
My wife was at Fairfield as a freshman & sophomore and asked someone on her floor freshman year where the bubblah was. They looked at her like she had 6 heads.
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Post by Tom on Jun 11, 2020 11:29:39 GMT -5
That's all right, back in my early HC days some out of starter asked me where there was a water fountain and I directed them to the old galleria which had 3 nice fountains inside. (not to mention turtle boy outside)
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Post by DiMarz on Jun 11, 2020 18:32:24 GMT -5
Is it a Grinder? Sub? Hoagie? Growing up in our house in Worcester it was a club sandwich!
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 11, 2020 18:41:40 GMT -5
In NYC and Northern NJ it is a HERO and in Pelham, NY it is a WEDGE. I just like how they all taste so good!
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Post by trimster on Jun 11, 2020 19:00:24 GMT -5
Maybe it was just my relatives who called soda "tonic". I was wondering if it was a Central Mass regional thing. Also known as tonic in my central mass home. I remember people from the Midwest calling it pop.
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