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Post by WCHC Sports on Jun 11, 2020 16:27:21 GMT -5
It's one of my favorite posts to make every time we talk about the Crusader (you may think otherwise having read my nonsense enough for almost 16 years now), where I turn any mascot I can think of into an offensive one. Some are easier than others. The earlier post about the silent majority is one that struck a chord with me. It's tough to voice opposition to the PC crowd where providing any opinions, facts, thoughts, or debates on the contra side of the debate is not taken in stride and spoken about/argued logically. Rather, the response would be that I'm racist, sexist, chauvinist, homophobic, and any other "obic" or "ist" that one can think of. Open-mindedness is only encouraged when it's trying to convince a conservative to agree with a liberal. If it's a conservative asking a liberal to prove their point, it's definitely not allowed political rant over sorry Dean, I will go back to the depths!
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 11, 2020 16:38:53 GMT -5
I have a Civil War library. If there is a particular area that interests you let me know. If I have something relating to that I'll gladly ship it off to you.
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 11, 2020 16:41:48 GMT -5
Have you read "The Killer Angels" by Michael Shaara (basis for the movie Gettysburg)? His son, Jeff wrote two other books to make it a true trilogy. That historic fiction is very good. They use actual history but the dialogue (while based on known personalities) is made up.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 11, 2020 18:20:59 GMT -5
Thank you. Since we are veering off into the Civil War, the Centennial of the Civil War happened when many of us were in school. I remember in Fifth or Sixth grade the teacher announced that in honor of the 100 year anniversary of the War we would be focusing on it during History throughout the year. Sure enough on a beautiful Spring day our class held a reenactment of the Gettysburg Address with each student having one small segment, on the front lawn of our school. Sitting in lawn chairs were several invited Senior Citizens who were sons and daughters of Civil War veterans. Even at that young age it really made me feel connected to the American story. I wonder if other posters had similar experiences?
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 11, 2020 18:24:45 GMT -5
Sounds like a cool experience.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 12, 2020 13:36:01 GMT -5
The last dependent of a Civil War veteran, and thus receiving a monthly government check, died last week. ______________________
For perspective, someone who matriculated at HC during the 1960s probably paid little, if any, heed to the nostrums, advice, opinions, reminiscing of alumni who graduated sixty years before, --when Teddy Roosevelt was President. And if they did, the relevance would be questioned.
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Post by Tom on Jun 12, 2020 13:57:56 GMT -5
I think it wasn't that long ago the last widow died. But that was a case of some drummer boy marrying a really young girl when he was in his advanced years
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 12, 2020 14:08:15 GMT -5
I think it wasn't that long ago the last widow died. But that was a case of some drummer boy marrying a really young girl when he was in his advanced years I think there was quite a spate of such marriages, maybe in the 1920's, with 80 year-olds marrying 20 year-olds. Perhaps there were even dowries going to the aged men with the expectation of 50 years of a widow's pension as compensation. I am guessing one of our historians can fill us in.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 12, 2020 14:54:52 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 12, 2020 15:59:28 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 12, 2020 16:39:17 GMT -5
Irene got $73.13 per month and it actually helped her live and survive for decades. Congress just tripped over themselves to rush $3 trillion of stimulus out the door and the President eagerly signed it.
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Post by hcpride on Jun 12, 2020 17:45:15 GMT -5
Thought this statue removal was interesting given the subject was a French and Indian War officer, Continental Congressman, Revolutionary (not Civil) War General, US Senator, and slaveholder: ALBANY NY (WRGB) - As the United State reexamines its past and current race relation, the removal of statues has been a discussion taking place across the country, and now, Albany is getting in on the action. Albany Mayor Kathy Sheehan signed an executive order Thursday afternoon, directing the removal of the statue honoring Maj. Gen. Philip Schuyler – reportedly the largest owner of enslaved people in Albany during his time – from in front of Albany City Hall. While most statue removals have set their sights on Confederate leaders, Schuyler was a general of the Continental army, and served during the American Revolution, dying years before the outbreak of the American Civil War in 1861.cbs6albany.com/news/local/statue-of-historic-albany-general-slave-owner-to-be-removed-from-outside-city-hall Some may be familiar with Fort Schuyler (currently home of SUNY Maritime) or maybe Schuyler (NY), Schuylerville (NY) or Schuyler County (NY) If monuments to Revolutionary War leaders (and slaveholders) are now to be removed one wonders if the Washington Monument is on the way out.
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Post by hc87 on Jun 12, 2020 18:13:42 GMT -5
One of the great "how can that be's?" is the fact that Pres. John Tyler (our 10th president) still has surviving grandsons today...I know this was the case a year or so anyway.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 13, 2020 0:52:01 GMT -5
One of the great "how can that be's?" is the fact that Pres. John Tyler (our 10th president) still has surviving grandsons today...I know this was the case a year or so anyway. Does Tippecanoe (William Henry Harrison) of "Tippecanoe and Tyler, too" have anyone left?
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Post by Tom on Jun 13, 2020 7:06:48 GMT -5
Made me look - at least a little bit.
Tyler was still having kids in his late 60's . One of his younger sons who survived into the 30's also did the second younger wife thing and had two kids in the 1920's
Harrison was older than Tyler by a decent bit and also didn't have the opportunity to father children 15 years after leaving the white house. Obviously Tippecanoe had at least one grandson who was a 19th century president. I imagine there are relatives left, they are just a few generations removed from grandson. Heck, I know someone who claims to be a direct descendant of John Adams. Not sure how many "great's" to use in the title. Massachusetts has lots of people who claim to be directly descended from people on the Mayflower. Strangely I've never met anyone descended from an original pilgrim not named Standish or Alden
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Post by WCHC Sports on Jun 15, 2020 8:53:02 GMT -5
Thought this statue removal was interesting given the subject was a French and Indian War officer, Continental Congressman, Revolutionary (not Civil) War General, US Senator, and slaveholder: ALBANY NY (WRGB) - As the United State reexamines its past and current race relation, the removal of statues has been a discussion taking place across the country, and now, Albany is getting in on the action. Albany Mayor Kathy Sheehan signed an executive order Thursday afternoon, directing the removal of the statue honoring Maj. Gen. Philip Schuyler – reportedly the largest owner of enslaved people in Albany during his time – from in front of Albany City Hall. While most statue removals have set their sights on Confederate leaders, Schuyler was a general of the Continental army, and served during the American Revolution, dying years before the outbreak of the American Civil War in 1861.cbs6albany.com/news/local/statue-of-historic-albany-general-slave-owner-to-be-removed-from-outside-city-hall Some may be familiar with Fort Schuyler (currently home of SUNY Maritime) or maybe Schuyler (NY), Schuylerville (NY) or Schuyler County (NY) If monuments to Revolutionary War leaders (and slaveholders) are now to be removed one wonders if the Washington Monument is on the way out. Alexander Hamilton's father-in-law.
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Post by Tom on Jun 15, 2020 12:47:00 GMT -5
Not only nicknames. It was on the local news this morning that there is a petition to change the name of a high school. Algonquin Regional High School serves Northborough and Southborough MA
The petition states that there is no record of the Algonquin tribe giving consent to use their name on the high school.
Native American names are common in New England, especially when a school covers multiple towns. Both the town I live in and the town I work in have regional high schools and the schools have names with Native American roots
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jun 15, 2020 12:58:40 GMT -5
Who are these people who are actually getting offended and taking issue with the name of the high school?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 15, 2020 13:33:41 GMT -5
Who are these people who are actually getting offended and taking issue with the name of the high school? With the demise of Ringling Bros Circus a lot of clowns have time on their hands.
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Post by Tom on Jun 15, 2020 13:44:28 GMT -5
Who are these people who are actually getting offended and taking issue with the name of the high school? A group called Students for Justice
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jun 15, 2020 14:03:18 GMT -5
To make this very simple and avoid all controversy going forward, maybe towns should adopt what NYC has and call each school PS 1, PS 2, PS 3, and so forth.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 15, 2020 14:13:16 GMT -5
At least Holy Cross is not named Washington and Lee University. That proud ancient college name appears to be dead in the water.
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Post by Tom on Jun 15, 2020 14:46:09 GMT -5
It's not too often that a school renames itself something totally different than the old name, unless it has been gobbled up by a larger entity. Locally, Southeastern Massachusetts University got rolled into the UMass system and is called UMass-Dartmouth. At least UMass was a brand people heard of even if they didn't know there was a campus in Dartmouth. They could call Washington&Lee UVA-Lexington, but other than that, it will be hard to have any name recognition. If they change names to something totally different, you'll have no history for high schools, grad schools, or potential employers to differentiate the school from Whatsthematter U
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 15, 2020 14:51:26 GMT -5
Memphis used to have "Southwestern at Memphis College" , a nice, small liberal arts school, well-respected for its academics. Maybe 30-35 years ago the school changed its name to "Rhodes College", supposedly after a former professor. Of course, if some HS students think they are getting an association with the famed Rhodes Scholarship it's not the fault of the college.....
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Post by timholycross on Jun 15, 2020 15:23:25 GMT -5
I taught at Algonquin, as did another board member (he taught there a lot longer than I). Never heard a complaint about the name, although I was pretty sure at some point the nickname "Tomahawks" was going to spark debate.
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