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Post by hchoops on Jun 12, 2020 22:01:45 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 13, 2020 0:37:50 GMT -5
UMBC is happy. The tires on their bus are bald before the second round of conference play begins. NJIT becomes their closest league opponent. When you are on the ASun website and you click on football it brings you to the Big South Football page.
It's fun to discuss alternate conference alignments for HC but it's also nice to be in a stable league and not jumping around every few years.
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 13, 2020 7:04:08 GMT -5
A few years ago, NJIT wanted badly to get into the PL. They drew no support. Similar to the PL decision with Fairleigh Dickinson.
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Post by rf1 on Jun 13, 2020 8:22:25 GMT -5
I am glad that NJIT finally got into a league which makes geographic sense for them. They have led a nomadic existence for some 20 years. All that travel had to be hard on their student athletes. The state school has made the investments in athletic infrastructure and added programs which finally made them acceptable to a northeast league. They opened a brand new 3,500 seat on campus arena in 2017. A new multi-purpose soccer/lacrosse field right next to that arena was ready for use in 2019. They seem like a good fit with the mostly all state school America East.
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 13, 2020 8:33:10 GMT -5
Those major upgrades replaced two sites that would have been considered poor for any suburban high school. I believe you will see them - once they shake off their newby status and settle in - make a good accounting of themselves in their new home.
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Post by CHC8485 on Jun 13, 2020 8:43:43 GMT -5
A few years ago, NJIT wanted badly to get i to the PL. They drew no support. Similar to the PL decision with Fairleigh Dickinson. I could see a case for NJIT - a slightly larger, lower ranked but still top 100 National University, version of Lehigh. Endowment is very low and acceptance rate high, but I can at least see a case. In some ways a better fit than Boston U. Fairleigh Dickenson, not so much. In fact I can not see a case for them at all.
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 13, 2020 8:49:36 GMT -5
I agree that FDU was not a good fit (although practically in my back yard). But, they do have a long-standing D III football team at their Floram campus that could've been upgraded for PL competition. Their record is not strong, but they do play "Stevenson" University.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 13, 2020 9:32:58 GMT -5
A few years ago, NJIT wanted badly to get i to the PL. They drew no support. Similar to the PL decision with Fairleigh Dickinson. I could see a case for NJIT - a slightly larger, lower ranked but still top 100 National University, version of Lehigh. Endowment is very low and acceptance rate high, but I can at least see a case. In some ways a better fit than Boston U. Fairleigh Dickenson, not so much. In fact I can not see a case for them at all. At the time that NJIT was making overtures to the PL, they were coming off an 0-30 basketball season and had a gym smaller than most mid-size public high schools in Hudson County. So that probably didn't help. It was a year or two later that we added Loyola and BU and I don't think the league has considered expanding beyond 10 since then. Football or no football, FDU is not getting into the Patriot League.
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Post by thecrossisback on Jun 13, 2020 9:58:20 GMT -5
I could see a case for NJIT - a slightly larger, lower ranked but still top 100 National University, version of Lehigh. Endowment is very low and acceptance rate high, but I can at least see a case. In some ways a better fit than Boston U. Fairleigh Dickenson, not so much. In fact I can not see a case for them at all. At the time that NJIT was making overtures to the PL, they were coming off an 0-30 basketball season and had a gym smaller than most mid-size public high schools in Hudson County. So that probably didn't help. It was a year or two later that we added Loyola and BU and I don't think the league has considered expanding beyond 10 since then. Football or no football, FDU is not getting into the Patriot League. I would get rid of Boston University. I am a huge BU hockey fan, but the size of the school doesn't belong in the PL. Send them back to America East.
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Post by rickii on Jun 13, 2020 10:33:58 GMT -5
UMBC is happy. The tires on their bus are bald before the second round of conference play begins. NJIT becomes their closest league opponent. When you are on the ASun website and you click on football it brings you to the Big South Football page. It's fun to discuss alternate conference alignments for HC but it's also nice to be in a stable league and not jumping around every few years. Yea, it’s stable all right. When nobody wants in and nobody can get out it doesn’t get more stable.
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Post by trimster on Jun 13, 2020 11:06:23 GMT -5
At the time that NJIT was making overtures to the PL, they were coming off an 0-30 basketball season and had a gym smaller than most mid-size public high schools in Hudson County. So that probably didn't help. It was a year or two later that we added Loyola and BU and I don't think the league has considered expanding beyond 10 since then. Football or no football, FDU is not getting into the Patriot League. I would get rid of Boston University. I am a huge BU hockey fan, but the size of the school doesn't belong in the PL. Send them back to America East. Seeing that we have BU in the PL, I would try to convince their rival, Northeastern to end their nomadic existence in the CAA and join the PL. While we are at it, I would try to add Fordham and Fairfield and maybe UVM. The PL could have North and South Divisions with a 19 game schedule in hoops. Army could be in the South so it could be with Navy and if some teams still want to play home and away each year, maybe HC and Bucknell would, let them. One game is a league game and the other isn’t. If Army wants to remain in the North, I would send Colgate south. All of the additions fit the academic profile of the league and wouldn’t impact football. Some people like the OOC scheduling freedom a 6 game league schedule the PL affords us. Travel would be reduced as well.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 13, 2020 11:26:50 GMT -5
UVM is not joining the PL. My guess is Northeastern goes back to A-EAST at some point unless CAA adds membership in the Northeast. A few years back, it was supposed to be set in stone that Albany and Stony Brook would join the CAA as all-sports members. There were also Fairfield to the CAA rumors.
I would be thrilled if we added Fordham and Fairfield for all sports.
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Post by bigfan on Jun 13, 2020 11:35:00 GMT -5
I believe that the Jesuits only care about Fordham, Boston College & Georgetown. Are the Jesuits running Fairfield?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 13, 2020 11:40:02 GMT -5
Fordham has a solid hold on first place in the "worst conference decision" competition and may not want to lose that status by making the smart move to join the PL.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 13, 2020 11:43:19 GMT -5
Fordham has a solid hold on first place in the "worst conference decision" competition and may not want to lose that status by making the smart move to join the PL. 2nd place: Amry football joining Conference USA in 1997
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Post by trimster on Jun 13, 2020 12:14:26 GMT -5
I believe that the Jesuits only care about Fordham, Boston College & Georgetown. Are the Jesuits running Fairfield? Yes they are and Fairfield Prep as well.
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Post by timholycross on Jun 13, 2020 14:18:57 GMT -5
Fordham has a solid hold on first place in the "worst conference decision" competition and may not want to lose that status by making the smart move to join the PL. 2nd place: Amry football joining Conference USA in 1997 ...because Army had bad teams at the time. Think about it- how much different is CUSA in 1997 vs The American in 2015 or whenever it was that Navy joined it? No one at Navy seems to be complaining.
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Post by CHC8485 on Jun 13, 2020 14:46:34 GMT -5
I believe that the Jesuits only care about Fordham, Boston College & Georgetown. Are the Jesuits running Fairfield? Yes they are and Fairfield Prep as well. The Jesuits are not "running" any colleges or universities, they gave that up in the late 60's. All are run by independent Boards of Trustees. There are Jesuits in those BOTs and some have Jesuits as Presidents of the schools but the Jesuit order - i.e., the Province and Provincial - do not make any decisions for any of the schools save for allowing the schools to identify as "Jesuit" and allowing members of the order to work at the schools.
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Post by bison137 on Jun 13, 2020 14:52:29 GMT -5
2nd place: Amry football joining Conference USA in 1997 ...because Army had bad teams at the time. Think about it- how much different is CUSA in 1997 vs The American in 2015 or whenever it was that Navy joined it? No one at Navy seems to be complaining. Over the past three years, Army would have ranked 2nd, 1st, and 2nd in Conference USA in terms of ratings strength (Sagarin predictor).
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 13, 2020 16:46:38 GMT -5
...because Army had bad teams at the time. Think about it- how much different is CUSA in 1997 vs The American in 2015 or whenever it was that Navy joined it? No one at Navy seems to be complaining. Over the past three years, Army would have ranked 2nd, 1st, and 2nd in Conference USA in terms of ratings strength (Sagarin predictor). More of a reflection that CUSA is a totally different league today than it was 20 years ago. Back then the CUSA was todays AAC on steroids.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 13, 2020 16:56:37 GMT -5
2nd place: Amry football joining Conference USA in 1997 ...because Army had bad teams at the time. Think about it- how much different is CUSA in 1997 vs The American in 2015 or whenever it was that Navy joined it? No one at Navy seems to be complaining. AAC today basically IS C-USA back then minus Louisville but with a monster UCF program added. The disaster that was Army football back then also had a lot to do with the fact that HC Todd Berry somehow got the idea that it would be a smart move to run a pro-style offense at a service academy. Army and Navy certainly have both become more competitive as a whole over the past 20 years due to the combination of good coaching hires, more liberal use of the prep schools as incubators for the varsity programs and easing of fitness restrictions for larger players (particularly O-line) to get into the academies.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 13, 2020 20:33:58 GMT -5
UMBC is happy. The tires on their bus are bald before the second round of conference play begins. NJIT becomes their closest league opponent. When you are on the ASun website and you click on football it brings you to the Big South Football page. It's fun to discuss alternate conference alignments for HC but it's also nice to be in a stable league and not jumping around every few years. Yea, it’s stable all right. When nobody wants in and nobody can get out it doesn’t get more stable. What's your preferred league?
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jun 13, 2020 20:58:38 GMT -5
Take your pick of about 28 of the other 31 basketball conferences.
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Post by unhfan on Jun 15, 2020 22:49:54 GMT -5
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Post by Crosser on Jun 15, 2020 23:13:14 GMT -5
Holy crap!
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