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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 6, 2020 7:31:03 GMT -5
BC has cancelled all study abroad programs for the fall semester. Part/much of this decision was dictated by travel restrictions imposed by the EU on visitors from the U.S. BC is now trying to find housing for the several hundred students who would have been studying internationally. Holy Cross is in a similar situation.
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Post by HC92 on Jul 6, 2020 7:51:28 GMT -5
BC has cancelled all study abroad programs for the fall semester. Part/much of this decision was dictated by travel restrictions imposed by the EU on visitors from the U.S. BC is now trying to find housing for the several hundred students who would have been studying internationally. Holy Cross is in a similar situation. I would be shocked if any college in the country sponsors a study abroad program this year.
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Post by HC92 on Jul 11, 2020 20:15:14 GMT -5
My neighbor just told us that friends of theirs who have a rising sophomore were just told that HC is going to be entirely online in the Fall. This neighbor isn’t always the best source so take it with a grain of salt but that’s what she said a few minutes ago.
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Post by hcpride on Jul 12, 2020 8:05:19 GMT -5
My neighbor just told us that friends of theirs who have a rising sophomore were just told that HC is going to be entirely online in the Fall. This neighbor isn’t always the best source so take it with a grain of salt but that’s what she said a few minutes ago. /\ Could, be but remember that teaching can be entirely online and still have all the kids on campus. Or half the kids on campus. Or (Harvard) 40% of the kids on campus. Or none of the kids on campus. (I've had to clarify this for a few kids because last year the kids were sent home from the colleges and instruction went on line...but the two don't necessarily go hand-in-hand.)
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Post by purplehaze on Jul 12, 2020 8:48:20 GMT -5
amazing to me that schools are asking families to pay the full tuition, room and board under these conditions - this is not the college experience anyone wants How many will resist and find alternatives?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 12, 2020 9:19:49 GMT -5
My neighbor just told us that friends of theirs who have a rising sophomore were just told that HC is going to be entirely online in the Fall. This neighbor isn’t always the best source so take it with a grain of salt but that’s what she said a few minutes ago. Not true. Entirely on-line after Thanksgiving.
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Post by timholycross on Jul 12, 2020 10:55:23 GMT -5
Go to the college website for a detailed description of the College's reopening plan.
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Post by Bleed Purple on Jul 12, 2020 12:33:25 GMT -5
All 4 of my daughters classes are on line. That along with the preventive measures they have put in place has prompted her to decide to do next semester from home. No objection from me as I will save like $7500 in room and board. Take out meals, no social gatherings, no classroom experience, masks at all times lead her conclude that staying on campus would be like "being in prison". A shame. Can't fault the college for taking all these appropriate measures. Also can't blame kids for passing on this falls on campus experience. A couple of her friends are also opting to do it from home this fall. This may be welcome news to HC due to all the juniors (my daughter included) who will not be studying abroad, the oversized freshman class and the inability to have "triple" rooms.
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Post by Bleed Purple on Jul 12, 2020 12:37:47 GMT -5
$28k for a U of Phoenix experience this fall......ouch
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Post by HC92 on Jul 12, 2020 13:42:02 GMT -5
All 4 of my daughters classes are on line. That along with the preventive measures they have put in place has prompted her to decide to do next semester from home. No objection from me as I will save like $7500 in room and board. Take out meals, no social gatherings, no classroom experience, masks at all times lead her conclude that staying on campus would be like "being in prison". A shame. Can't fault the college for taking all these appropriate measures. Also can't blame kids for passing on this falls on campus experience. A couple of her friends are also opting to do it from home this fall. This may be welcome news to HC due to all the juniors (my daughter included) who will not be studying abroad, the oversized freshman class and the inability to have "triple" rooms. Feel awful for college-aged kids and their parents. No good options this year. Have to say I’d probably do exactly what you’re doing in the same situation. Living on campus when you can’t do any of the things that make living on campus fun seems like a waste of money.
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Post by HC92 on Jul 12, 2020 13:43:59 GMT -5
$28k for a U of Phoenix experience this fall......ouch Are any kids trying to take the semester off or get credits elsewhere that HC might accept to allow the kids to graduate with their class?
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Post by timholycross on Jul 12, 2020 16:29:11 GMT -5
Thank goodness the positive test rate in Mass. keeps going down. It's a lot better if the plans are seen as draconian but they work versus the plans being too loose and the kids have to go home in October.
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Post by Bleed Purple on Jul 12, 2020 19:36:11 GMT -5
$28k for a U of Phoenix experience this fall......ouch Are any kids trying to take the semester off or get credits elsewhere that HC might accept to allow the kids to graduate with their class? Interesting idea. My daughter nor any of her friends have considered that option. I certainly like it from a personal financial perspective. I wonder if HC would accept credits from another school for one semester? I had heard that Harvard was not allowing credits from other schools during a leave of absence. Not sure of HCs policy
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 12, 2020 20:00:15 GMT -5
Are any kids trying to take the semester off or get credits elsewhere that HC might accept to allow the kids to graduate with their class? Interesting idea. My daughter nor any of her friends have considered that option. I certainly like it from a personal financial perspective. I wonder if HC would accept credits from another school for one semester? I had heard that Harvard was not allowing credits from other schools during a leave of absence. Not sure of HCs policy The guidebook says HC will accept credits for two courses taken at another school. The student cannot enroll as a full time student at that school. The guidebook indicates which students not in attendance at HC are allowed to do this, and, at the moment, I am too lazy to search for the specifics. I also do not recall whether HC must approve in advance. The guidebook does say that the NY and Washington semesters are still on. The two course limit would not allow one normally to graduate 'on-time', unless one took additional courses at HC, such as a course during the January 2021 term, or a course in summer school, or loading up an additional course during the student's remaining semester(s) at HC.
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Post by hcpride on Jul 13, 2020 7:54:17 GMT -5
Are any kids trying to take the semester off or get credits elsewhere that HC might accept to allow the kids to graduate with their class? Interesting idea. My daughter nor any of her friends have considered that option. I certainly like it from a personal financial perspective. I wonder if HC would accept credits from another school for one semester? I had heard that Harvard was not allowing credits from other schools during a leave of absence. Not sure of HCs policy It would be nice (but very co$tly to HC) if we gave kids staying home this year an option to remain enrolled (w/ no tuition) taking online courses based somewhere else (local state or Community college) eligible for credit transfer to HC. It is hard to make the argument that UMass (for example) online courses are not as educationally sound as HC online courses.
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Post by alum on Jul 13, 2020 9:44:48 GMT -5
Interesting idea. My daughter nor any of her friends have considered that option. I certainly like it from a personal financial perspective. I wonder if HC would accept credits from another school for one semester? I had heard that Harvard was not allowing credits from other schools during a leave of absence. Not sure of HCs policy It would be nice (but very co$tly to HC) if we gave kids staying home this year an option to remain enrolled (w/ no tuition) taking online courses based somewhere else (local state or Community college) eligible for credit transfer to HC. It is hard to make the argument that UMass (for example) online courses are not as educationally sound as HC online courses. We have to be careful about nomenclature. Classes which meet at a specific time whose live lectures can be accessed via Zoom or some other platform are not the same as traditional pre-pandemic online courses which were usually not live. There have always been lots of variations on this, but it is important to understand that many of the schools which are not bringing all of their students back are trying to make it more like regular college this time around.
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Post by hcpride on Jul 13, 2020 10:09:51 GMT -5
/\ Part of the online class nomenclature -though not necessarily relevant to this discussion- are the newly fashionable words synchronous v asynchronous.
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Post by HC92 on Jul 14, 2020 21:40:48 GMT -5
Is there some sort of deadline coming up for students to declare whether they intend to return to campus for Fall semester? Will be interesting to see how many come, how many take classes from home and how many don’t participate in either option.
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Post by hc89 on Jul 14, 2020 22:32:05 GMT -5
Is there some sort of deadline coming up for students to declare whether they intend to return to campus for Fall semester? Will be interesting to see how many come, how many take classes from home and how many don’t participate in either option. The deadline is Sunday. HC currently doing a nice job demonstrating why schools like Villanova, Providence, Fairfield and (I cannot even say it...) have been running circles around us for many years now...
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 14, 2020 22:40:16 GMT -5
Is it the second and third letters in the alphabet?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 15, 2020 5:46:14 GMT -5
Is there some sort of deadline coming up for students to declare whether they intend to return to campus for Fall semester? Will be interesting to see how many come, how many take classes from home and how many don’t participate in either option. The deadline is Sunday. HC currently doing a nice job demonstrating why schools like Villanova, Providence, Fairfield and (I cannot even say it...) have been running circles around us for many years now... What specifically are HC's failings compared to the other schools you've listed?
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Post by crusader99 on Jul 15, 2020 9:42:22 GMT -5
I am a parent of a current student. The student chatter is consistent, most do not want to attend college from home but are unsatisfied with the announced restrictions of movement, dining, use of facilities and bathrooms coupled with the mandatory on-line learning offerings. To adjust, most upper class students have applied for approval to reside off-campus. The chatter from those who have spoken to school Deans, advisors etc.. was somewhat surprising. The consistent response is that due to budgetary reasons that most requests will be denied. They do not want the lose the revenue resulting from empty dorm rooms. Science, health and safety be damned. This is the opposite justification provided for the in-person/on-line course offerings. So full tuition and room and board despite the marketplace (the students and parents) responding that on-line, long distance learning is a temporary, acceptable solution provided that it is not from a locked down dorm room. Forcing students to eat, and use the bathroom facilities at a designated time, restrict their access to facilities and common areas, and interaction with others (even with a face mask from a social distance) while denying an option that these young adults and their parents find acceptable is a terrible decision by the College. Hopefully, this is not the final determination and the same rational that led to the decision to require on-line, distance learning, will be applied to housing options selected by the students in consultation with their families. The latest information from the school is found on the below link: www.holycross.edu/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19-information/student-resources
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Post by lou on Jul 15, 2020 10:09:39 GMT -5
Curious what the savings is to live and eat off campus
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Post by timholycross on Jul 15, 2020 10:21:21 GMT -5
I grew up 20 miles away from HC. If I were a student today, would the school have prohibited me from living at home?
Another thing I noticed. It said that they'd send a student home if he/she got the virus. What if the parents had at risk conditions?
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Post by hc89 on Jul 15, 2020 10:30:25 GMT -5
The deadline is Sunday. HC currently doing a nice job demonstrating why schools like Villanova, Providence, Fairfield and (I cannot even say it...) have been running circles around us for many years now... What specifically are HC's failings compared to the other schools you've listed? See response of njcrusader above. I also have a child at Nova and have been following the responses of other like colleges to this awful mess. A common theme of other school’s responses is “students first”. Take a look at PC’s website (“As faculty members, staff members and administrators, we must commit to keeping the welfare of our students foremost”). At Nova, the message is “We will get through this together”. These schools highlight the “possibilities”. HC’s response is “bottom line first”. “Our ‘financial models’ require us to force our students to live in more densely populated dorms because we do not want to take a financial hit”. You have about 50-60 students (mostly seniors) seeking to go to Worcester to be with their classmates that are willing to help HC de-densify the campus by living elsewhere (at much greater expense) and they are being denied “permission” to do so. HC has chosen $$ over the health and safety (and overall well-being) of these students. This is not surmise, by the way- it is being openly stated during the various webinars and Zoom calls being held. Dean Irish repeated it twice yesterday. When he said it the first time, it met with some shock. When he was asked in follow up if money is the prime reason for the denial of “permission” to live off-campus, he confirmed that is is! I give him high marks for being brutally honest. This is not his decision. It is the decision of the “rudderless” ship that HC has unfortunately become. This is sad and shortsighted. Where have you gone Father Swords and Father Brooks?
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