|
Post by hchoops on Jul 18, 2021 19:39:09 GMT -5
Sean was offered by Drexel
|
|
|
Post by bringbackcaro on Jul 18, 2021 20:06:03 GMT -5
Interesting---I sure hope you are right about "elite recruiter". I'm not sure I have seen enough from his players on the court to make that judgment quite yet. Gates and Johnson have proven themselves to me, Martindale has shown strong potential, and I expect many are excited about Kyrell Luc. Still. I think the jury is out..... IMO, recruiting should be separated from player development in this evaluation. For example, Nelson should get credit for beating out Southern Illinois for Louth, regardless of if Louth becomes an all-PL player. Looking more broadly at the “Bigs” (positions that are extremely difficult to recruit at our level), Nelson inherited a roster with zero guys who wanted to play in the paint, and in 24 months we have the aforementioned Louth, a transfer who won ROY in his previous league, and Rabinovich, who had legit D1 offers and at minimum filled a gaping roster hole for rebounding and interior toughness. And this was all for a program that had zero.zero momentum when he took over. That is some very impressive recruiting.
|
|
|
Post by sader1970 on Jul 18, 2021 20:25:23 GMT -5
1. Whether a coach is a good/great recruiter or not depends on how they perform on the court. Louth may turn out to be a great player and Nelson would then get credit for having recruited him. I'm not sure that we'll ever know if Nelson "beat out Southern Illinois" because, as we know, having an offer at a school doesn't mean it would ever have gotten consummated if the Salukis went for a different player they also offered.
2. How do you know we had "zero guys who wanted to play in the paint" as opposed to that's how Carmody wanted them to play?
I'll be impressed with his recruiting when he wins a PL championship. As much as we post how poor a coach Carmody was, he's got a PL championship under his belt, Brett so far has none. [And I am NOT positing that Carmody was even an adequate coach.] Results.
|
|
|
Post by possum on Jul 18, 2021 20:55:55 GMT -5
Evaluation of Nelson starts this year for me, nobody was winning with the roster he inherited in year one and I think they did okay last year. He did a great job accelerating the turnover of the roster and now it's time for the guys he brought in to start winning.
|
|
|
Post by deep Purple on Jul 18, 2021 21:19:23 GMT -5
2. How do you know we had "zero guys who wanted to play in the paint" as opposed to that's how Carmody wanted them to play? Who wanted to play in the paint? Verbeek?
|
|
|
Post by possum on Jul 19, 2021 5:00:41 GMT -5
Two of the three guys who played the center position in Nelson's first year transferred to D2 schools and one of them played fewer minutes at his new school than he did at HC.
|
|
|
Post by Tom on Jul 19, 2021 7:57:12 GMT -5
He's good at keeping the coaching staff intact. That will pay some type of dividend. Whether that will equal additional wins is hard to measure. Kind of a double edged sword. There used to be complaints on this board about a former coach who kept his staff basically intact because the assistants were not being properly groomed to get better jobs. Also, it currently appears the staff (unless you count the DOBO) will be in place for a 3rd season, although this is still not guaranteed. In a strange year of COVID and a rookie campaign that wouldn't have lots of people knocking on the assistants' door. Even if we call keeping the staff intact a good thing, I would rate Coach Nelson more "too early to tell": than "good"
|
|
|
Post by sader1970 on Jul 19, 2021 8:09:40 GMT -5
Agree with Tom's assessment. I'm a big fan of "results" rather than "appearances."
As far as keeping an intact assistant staff, here's a bit of analogy and I know I've posted this before closer to when it actually happened in a different context.
I met Bill Carmody and had a one-on-one conversation with him during a Patriot League baseball playoff game down at Hanover Field. In striking up the conversation, I asked him, "you've lost a lot of your players to graduation, do you have concerns about losing all that experience next season?" Without skipping a beat, his response was "I would have concerns if they had won more games."
|
|
|
Post by WorcesterGray on Jul 19, 2021 8:30:39 GMT -5
Those graduating players won a PL title. Too bad Carmody wasn't more concerned about who he brought in to replace them. With the exception of Butler, Pridgen and (to a lesser extent) Faw, his recruiting was woeful, and produced predictable results - and a dozen student athletes who were kicked out or fled.
|
|
|
Post by timholycross on Jul 19, 2021 13:30:39 GMT -5
Two (or maybe three) of Carmody's recruiting classes were no better (and, more likely, worse) than any non-scholarship class in the 90s.
|
|
|
Post by sader1970 on Jul 19, 2021 14:34:15 GMT -5
Don’t get me wrong. What struck me was the lack of appreciation for the graduated seniors who won him a miraculous PL championship and simultaneously a lack of acceptance of personal responsibility for the horrible record despite the championship (from memory lost every away PL game during the regular season but won them all in the tournament).
My larger point was having a stable coaching staff is not necessarily a good thing when you win, what was it, 10 or fewer games combined in 2 seasons?
|
|
|
Post by rgs318 on Jul 19, 2021 15:16:28 GMT -5
Having a stable coaching staff seems to have helped recruiting and retention. Now let's see if it helps the wins to start to add up...with God's help as well!
|
|
|
Post by longsuffering on Jul 19, 2021 15:17:45 GMT -5
Don’t get me wrong. What struck me was the lack of appreciation for the graduated seniors who won him a miraculous PL championship and simultaneously a lack of acceptance of personal responsibility for the horrible record despite the championship (from memory lost every away PL game during the regular season but won them all in the tournament). My larger point was having a stable coaching staff is not necessarily a good thing when you win, what was it, 10 or fewer games combined in 2 seasons? I think BC took responsibility for his performance in a sense by giving up the compensation owed him for his final season. Some would have stayed and mailed it in for a season or tried to negotiate a buy out or something. I related to his coaching tenure as him having good intentions but the same drive and energy he probably had as a younger coach not being there for him at his last stop. Winning the first year might have reduced the impetus for him to update his approach, also.
|
|
|
Post by sader1970 on Jul 19, 2021 16:01:21 GMT -5
I appreciate your charitable interpretation of his conversation with me and his coaching career at Holy Cross.
|
|
|
Post by breezy on Jul 19, 2021 16:32:20 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by WorcesterGray on Jul 19, 2021 16:49:09 GMT -5
Mostly MAAC offers, five total in the last month or so.
|
|
|
Post by hchoops on Jul 19, 2021 17:01:05 GMT -5
Pretty skilled and athletic Hard to tell about the comp
|
|
|
Post by longsuffering on Jul 19, 2021 17:05:23 GMT -5
I appreciate your charitable interpretation of his conversation with me and his coaching career at Holy Cross. Thanks, btw you do some of your best work at baseball games. I recall another informative vignette about Coach Chesney when you sidled up next to him at the ballpark. Glad we can all benefit from your gift of gab.😊
|
|
|
Post by WorcesterGray on Jul 19, 2021 17:10:15 GMT -5
More or less realistic options for bigs at this point, that we know of.. Current year offers only
PF - Sean Logan (NJ - Westfield HS), 6-10. OFFER. Others from Bucknell, Lafayette, Northeastern, Toledo, Drexel PF - Nicolo Nobili (OH - SPIRE Institute), 6-9. OFFER. Others from BU, Rider, Sam Houston State, UMBC. PF - Thomas Haugh (PA - Perkiomen), 6-9. OFFER. Others from BU, Marist, Siena, Fairfield, Albany.
|
|
|
Post by WorcesterGray on Jul 19, 2021 17:16:52 GMT -5
Brief CoBL scouting report of Haugh. Both he and Nobili were in action at Spooky Nook fest this past weekend, which HC assistant(s) attended. Like the idea of a defensive-minded big www.cityofbasketballlove.com/thomas-haugh
|
|
|
Post by WorcesterGray on Jul 19, 2021 17:22:21 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by hchoops on Jul 19, 2021 20:53:54 GMT -5
William and Mary also offers Sean
|
|
|
Post by trimster on Jul 21, 2021 7:12:27 GMT -5
William and Mary also offers Sean Lehigh becomes the 4th PL school to offer Logan.
|
|
|
Post by WorcesterGray on Jul 21, 2021 7:19:48 GMT -5
Nicolo Nobili has picked up an offer from American.
|
|
|
Post by WorcesterGray on Jul 22, 2021 8:52:44 GMT -5
Thomas Haugh has added an offer from Quinnipiac, his fourth from the MAAC..
|
|