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Post by purplehaze on Jun 25, 2020 10:43:26 GMT -5
That young man who is 26 yrs old was indeed a lax player at Bowdoin - believe his family name is 'Ellard' - he's alive and well and responded very well to remdesivir which he received while in the ICU at UPenn.
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Post by inhocsigno on Jun 25, 2020 11:21:44 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Jun 25, 2020 11:24:52 GMT -5
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Post by gks on Jun 25, 2020 11:32:22 GMT -5
The term victim insinuates that these people are all dying or gravely ill. Truth is far, far from that.
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Post by hchoops on Jun 25, 2020 11:37:08 GMT -5
Changed No matter what you call people who contract the virus, it is far from a good thing, and is not disappearing anytime soon
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jun 25, 2020 11:47:23 GMT -5
Changed No matter what you call people who contract the virus, it is far from a good thing, and is not disappearing anytime soon Not if you subscribe to the "herd immunity" theory. I thought the head of the PGA Tour said it very well -- I think we have to come to terms with the fact that it is okay if someone tests positive for this virus, just so long as that person is capable of defeating it (which the overwhelming part of the population are).
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Post by hchoops on Jun 25, 2020 11:56:53 GMT -5
Check Houston, Arizona, and All the states where cases, and deaths are rising, and as I wrote above, younger people also I would listen to the doctors, not the PGA
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jun 25, 2020 12:05:10 GMT -5
Initial Herd Immunity may work for cattle and bison, where members of the herd are expendable and, where collateral damage may occur for the good of the herd to survive. Vaccination is needed before the entire herd becomes immune without massive casualties.
Ethically, the Concept of Herd Immunity without vaccination is antithetical to human life.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 25, 2020 12:52:35 GMT -5
Probably the same thing as happens to Bundesliga guys who have diabetes. Have any US athletes (college or pro) died of Covid-19? Important to understand Type 1 vs Type 2 diabetes here. I would be surprised if any professional athlete has Type 2 diabetes which tends to involve overweight adults and may have more issues with a respiratory illness. Someone who has well-controlled Type 1 diabetes, as a professional athlete would almost have to, is not at materially greater risk thank anyone else. From the American Diabetes Association: Q: Do I need to worry about DKA (diabetic ketoacidosis)? When sick with a viral infection, people with diabetes do face an increased risk of DKA (diabetic ketoacidosis), commonly experienced by people with type 1 diabetes. DKA can make it challenging to manage your fluid intake and electrolyte levels—which is important in managing sepsis. Sepsis and septic shock are some of the more serious complications that some people with COVID-19 have experienced. If your blood sugar has registered high (greater than 240 mg/dl) more than 2 times in a row, check for ketones to avoid DKA. www.diabetes.org/coronavirus-covid-19/how-coronavirus-impacts-people-with-diabetes
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 25, 2020 16:14:01 GMT -5
Suspicion that COVID-10 may induce Type 1 diabetes. The course of the illness in an individual with type 1 is not as severe as that in an individual with type 2, but it is not benign. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7237369/
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 25, 2020 17:12:05 GMT -5
Whats the logic behind restrictions on air travel and overnights? Costs? Why not let the schools make those decisions themselves? Much more exposure to other people in airports especially, but also hotels. Aren't airports basically deserted now with travel down 80%? Granted, due to drastically reduced service the planes are back to being somewhat full but I believe masks are required. And when the football team flies, the team takes up half of the plane. Meaning they are all sitting around people who they are already exposed to 7 days/week. Planes and hotels are being disinfected on the regular like never before. Couldn't the Silver Fox bus that would drive the team to play Georgetown at a neutral site like Lehigh also be considered a petri dish? The college campus in general is much, much, much more of a "petri dish" than an airplane or Hampton Inn. Mainly because 18-22 year old's looking to party aren't going to be taking social distancing seriously at all. The best thing young people can do is stay away from the vulnerable and elderly.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 25, 2020 19:17:17 GMT -5
Holy Cross will be a no-party zone this fall and RAs will be issued Tasers to enforce it.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 26, 2020 5:09:35 GMT -5
That young man who is 26 yrs old was indeed a lax player at Bowdoin - believe his family name is 'Ellard' - he's alive and well and responded very well to remdesivir which he received while in the ICU at UPenn. Yes, IIRC, his doctors petitioned the FDA (or Gilead) for emergency use okay for Remdesivir because at the time it was only allowed in clinical trials. www.boston.com/news/local-news/2020/04/17/jack-allard-bates-college-leaves-hospital-coronavirusLink has a video of him walking out of the hospital with hospital staff cheering and applauding.
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Post by hcpride on Jun 26, 2020 5:22:36 GMT -5
/\ I remember reading the story in April and one aspect that made it so unusual was that only four years prior (Class of 2016) he had been a college lacrosse player and was very sick. Good to see he is just fine now.
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Post by richh on Jun 26, 2020 9:28:31 GMT -5
Initial Herd Immunity may work for cattle and bison, where members of the herd are expendable and, where collateral damage may occur for the good of the herd to survive. Vaccination is needed before the entire herd becomes immune without massive casualties. Ethically, the Concept of Herd Immunity without vaccination is antithetical to human life. Agreed. Herd immunity only attaches at 70% of the population. US only at about 10% now. Think of the cost for herd immunity.
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Post by hcpride on Jun 26, 2020 10:23:02 GMT -5
I’ve seen non-vaccine herd immunity discussed primarily as a red herring or strawman (red strawman?) rather than as part of a serious discussion for US Covid -19 strategy.
On the other hand I have heard from serious folks that vaccines could be considered as a tool in herd immunity in the context of a universally administered vaccine preventing Covid-19 waves such that an infant (who cannot receive a vaccine) is protected.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 26, 2020 12:07:25 GMT -5
On the other hand I have heard from serious folks that vaccines could be considered as a tool in herd immunity in the context of a universally administered vaccine preventing Covid-19 waves such that an infant (who cannot receive a vaccine) is protected. Universally administered? That'll be interesting. One tweet from you know who calling the vaccine "fake" and a secret weapon of (choose one, Hillary, Obama, Bill Gates or Chii-na) will cause 35% of the public not to take it.
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Post by timholycross on Jun 26, 2020 13:41:59 GMT -5
On the other hand I have heard from serious folks that vaccines could be considered as a tool in herd immunity in the context of a universally administered vaccine preventing Covid-19 waves such that an infant (who cannot receive a vaccine) is protected. Universally administered? That'll be interesting. One tweet from you know who calling the vaccine "fake" and a secret weapon of (choose one, Hillary, Obama, Bill Gates or Chii-na) will cause 35% of the public not to take it. Why exactly would "you know who" do that, considering it could save his butt in the election? There is a large category of Americans that won't go near a vaccine, I'll give you that. But it seems to be from all sides of the aisle, so to speak.
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Post by richh on Jun 26, 2020 14:09:13 GMT -5
Universally administered? That'll be interesting. One tweet from you know who calling the vaccine "fake" and a secret weapon of (choose one, Hillary, Obama, Bill Gates or Chii-na) will cause 35% of the public not to take it. Why exactly would "you know who" do that, considering it could save his butt in the election? There is a large category of Americans that won't go near a vaccine, I'll give you that. But it seems to be from all sides of the aisle, so to speak. A vaccine will help develop herd immunity. Hopefully they do not comprise more than 30% of the population. I wish the WH had not make masks a political issue. If all wore them the wait for a vaccine would be fraught free. COVID is solely a medical issue to be handled as such.
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