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Post by timholycross on Jun 22, 2020 19:21:22 GMT -5
Bowdoin announced they are cancelling all athletics for the fall semester. Domino effect incoming? Umass Boston as well. No in person classes there either.
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Post by unhfan on Jun 22, 2020 19:23:32 GMT -5
Bowdoin announced they are cancelling all athletics for the fall semester. Domino effect incoming? Umass Boston as well. No in person classes there either. SNHU announced two weeks ago no in person classes for the fall semester but are still trying to figure out if they will have fall sports.
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Post by DiMarz on Jun 22, 2020 19:29:57 GMT -5
So that means Merrimack game is being moved to September 4th since it was scheduled on September 3rd? 🤷🏻♂️ The 3rd is a Thursday, so I don't see a big problem moving the game...
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Post by timholycross on Jun 22, 2020 19:52:28 GMT -5
When can students arrive on campus? What I am seeing is 8/29. Therefore, playing a football game on 9/4 or 9/11 is impossible.
Hope I'm missing something here.
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Post by hc2020 on Jun 22, 2020 20:24:24 GMT -5
When can students arrive on campus? What I am seeing is 8/29. Therefore, playing a football game on 9/4 or 9/11 is impossible. Hope I'm missing something here. I believe the date selected for returning players is currently August 22nd, but that date could possibly be changed. My understanding is that the president of HC is the ultimate decision maker.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 22, 2020 20:24:46 GMT -5
There are two key phrases that are being ignored: "...principles, which will guide..."
These are guidelines not rules. "...with rare exceptions, regular-season competition will exclude overnight travel." HC to Georgetown could well be an acceptable exception. The Patriot League Mafiosi won't show up if HC stays at the Courtyard the night before the Georgetown game. This is a very key point. As far as I know, the pL has no power to say when HC football players are allowed to report for training camp and/or when HC can play OOC football games -- those are NCAA rules. It would be nice to have a President with a spine who was capable of stepping up and not just rolling with the pL nonsense. Here is the Holy Cross AD's response
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jun 22, 2020 20:38:21 GMT -5
Ambiguity everywhere.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jun 22, 2020 20:47:09 GMT -5
Did the leaders in Center Valley spend more than 30 minutes on these guidelines and drafting this release? Sheesh.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jun 22, 2020 21:02:18 GMT -5
The PL is the epitome of a two-bit operation.
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Post by lafalum on Jun 22, 2020 21:10:12 GMT -5
There could not have been any thought in these atrocious "guidelines." These guidelines are not in the least in the interest of "health and safety" of any of the student athletes. It demonstrates a certain ignorance of the physical requirements of college athletics. Shame on the presidents ( double shame on the chairperson, Lafayette's president) shame on the AD's who certainly had to be at the table. These guidelines are created to shave a few dollars of expense at the cost of the well being of our students.
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Post by hc2020 on Jun 22, 2020 21:23:22 GMT -5
There could not have been any thought in these atrocious "guidelines." These guidelines are not in the least in the interest of "health and safety" of any of the student athletes. It demonstrates a certain ignorance of the physical requirements of college athletics. Shame on the presidents ( double shame on the chairperson, Lafayette's president) shame on the AD's who certainly had to be at the table. These guidelines are created to shave a few dollars of expense at the cost of the well being of our students. I do think that our AD is an ally of the football program and would like to see the players back on campus sooner than August 22nd. Let’s hope he can convince our president that this is the wiser decision from a player safety standpoint. Ultimately, he is the one who makes this call.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 22, 2020 21:30:48 GMT -5
No overnights with only rare exceptions.... We are at Gtown, Colgate and Laffy! Imagine getting on a bus early morning, going to Gtown, playing a game, then coming back all in one day! Midnight: Depart Worcester. 7:15 am: Arrive Arlington, VA 7:30: Breakfast at Key Bridge Marriott 9:00: Arrive Georgetown 12:00 pm Kickoff 3:15: Shower, Pack Up Gear 4:00 Depart Washington 6:00 Dinner on the Delaware Turnpike 12:00: Arrive Worcester I'm only half-joking that I'm not surprised the PL didn't mandate all games to be played at either Fisher Field or Goodman Stadium for "the good of the student athlete". Very similar itinerary to April 24, 1971 when a bus convoy left from behind Hogan so students could attend a protest march in Washington, with Father LaBran and his Stetson in the lead bus. It turned out to be the largest ever protest against an American War with 500,000 in DC and 150,000 in San Francisco. Nobody wore a mask and CNN did not cover it.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 22, 2020 21:42:47 GMT -5
There could not have been any thought in these atrocious "guidelines." These guidelines are not in the least in the interest of "health and safety" of any of the student athletes. It demonstrates a certain ignorance of the physical requirements of college athletics. Shame on the presidents ( double shame on the chairperson, Lafayette's president) shame on the AD's who certainly had to be at the table. These guidelines are created to shave a few dollars of expense at the cost of the well being of our students. I do think that our AD is an ally of the football program and would like to see the players back on campus sooner than August 22nd. Let’s hope he can convince our president that this is the wiser decision from a player safety standpoint. Ultimately, he is the one who makes this call. If things are going to be done the right way, might as well do them early and boost the morale of the college community with another championship season and a credible showing against BC. The OOC schedule against New England Rivals is as compelling as the league schedule. Perhaps some of the opponents will not be ready to play us, but a chance to catch BC off guard in a year they have a new coach and system would make up for any cancellations. After decades of not playing BC it seems a shame just to run up the white flag and cancel the game.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 22, 2020 21:45:21 GMT -5
HC has been dealt several bad hands (Covid, recession, dorm occupancy limits, etc.) and one good hand (football). Why not play the good hand?
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jun 22, 2020 21:56:26 GMT -5
New coach or otherwise, HC is not beating BC.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 22, 2020 21:57:06 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 23, 2020 0:08:28 GMT -5
Must be a coincidence, but the link ID is the square root of pi. I've come down from the Ivory Tower regarding the fairness of college football being played during a pandemic. Football and other sports have intrinsic value that doesn't have to be diminished because other parts of a college require necessary restrictions. If student athletes can play their season safely, go for it and the same for every other part of the college. If only so many students can reside on campus each semester, the fall athletes can distance learn in the spring semester to make it equitable.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 23, 2020 5:31:18 GMT -5
HC has already signaled that move-in day will be staggered. Based on the expectation that all students will be tested before start of classes, it would be logical to have the testing done well in advance of the day that classes commence. That way, any student who tests positive can be isolated, and quarantines of contacts are limited.
The rationale for ending the on-campus portion of the fall semester by Thanksgiving is that a percentage of returning students would be infected and the isolation / quarantine protocols that would come into force in response would be disruptive to on-campus completion of classes.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 23, 2020 5:46:59 GMT -5
Bowdoin announced they are cancelling all athletics for the fall semester. Domino effect incoming? Umass Boston as well. No in person classes there either. Bowdoin is cancelling fall athletics because only freshmen will be on campus for the fall semester. Freshmen are off-campus for the sping semester, and sophs, juniors, and seniors return for the spring semester. Hence, varsity sports resume. I think this is partly a reaction to the relative isolation of Brunswick from a health resources standpoint, and also the antipathy shown by year-round residents of the state toward New Yorkers fleeing their pandemic-ravaged cities for their seasonal, second homes in Maine. UMass Boston has too many day students. (Chelsea does not yet have herd immunity, but its getting there.) This decision is similar to that for the CSU system, which is mostly day students, and the opposite of what the UC system is doing (UC system is predominately residential).
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Post by hcpride on Jun 23, 2020 6:29:01 GMT -5
HC has already signaled that move-in day will be staggered. Based on the expectation that all students will be tested before start of classes, it would be logical to have the testing done well in advance of the day that classes commence. That way, any student who tests positive can be isolated, and quarantines of contacts are limited. The rationale for ending the on-campus portion of the fall semester by Thanksgiving is that a percentage of returning students would be infected and the isolation / quarantine protocols that would come into force in response would be disruptive to on-campus completion of classes. I wasn't thinking HC would have a one-time all-student round of involuntary testing. (It is true that would identify the student who tests positive the precise instant the test is administered and the student could be isolated).) My assumption was that the non-athlete (I think athletes might have some sort of test at first) would report symptoms as they develop throughout the semester and be administered a test as necessary. With Covid-19 protocols - including treatment for symptoms and quarantine - ensuing upon a positive. (Since the symptoms are identical to seasonal flu I imagine they also might get a flu virus test if the Covid-19 virus test is negative...and if positive for the flu virus given treatment for symptoms and told to self-quarantine.)
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 23, 2020 6:54:23 GMT -5
In Florida, the median age for COVID-19 patients for various counties last week was: ^^^WJXT, Jacksonville. I have read nothing about the college requiring students to sign a hold harmless waiver (similar to what was required of attendees for a certain rally) so a student (or his/her parents) who becomes seriously ill or dies, could seek damages against the college for its failure to take necessary and appropriate steps to provide for the safety and health of the students. (And this does not even capture the case of an infected student who returns home and infects members of his/her family, including elderly members.) The college's defense, of course, will be that it relied on the counsel and advice of Crossports posters, rather than certain alumni of the college with expertise in the field. Holy Cross is spending in the eight figures for the fall semester to reduce the risk of COVID-19 infection among students, faculty, and staff.
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Post by gks on Jun 23, 2020 7:02:36 GMT -5
As I see it, these impositions only enhance the chances that players will get injured. Cutting back preseason preparation, forcing teams to incur unreasonable travel restrictions and minimizing the ability of teams to get players on campus, tested and appropriately quarantined as a group are all pretty much negated by these rules. Hopefully our AD can talk some sense into the administration, which seems to be pretty clueless. Students in their teens and early twenties (especially healthy D1 athletes) are the least likely to experience significant effects from COVID-19, yet they are being treated like they are elderly in nursing homes. Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Post by gks on Jun 23, 2020 7:02:55 GMT -5
What the Patriot League does best.
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Post by bigfan on Jun 23, 2020 7:12:46 GMT -5
patriot league is a big joke
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 23, 2020 7:16:31 GMT -5
Not many are laughing. At this time, leadership is clearly needed more than "comedy."
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