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Post by rgs318 on Jun 25, 2020 9:48:44 GMT -5
NJ high schools are seeing a growing controversy over nicknames. Pascack Valley Regional Schools has two high schools (Pascack Hills and Pascack Valley) that were split from one district when student population grew in the 1960s. To show a connection, they were nicknamed the Cowboys (Pascack Hills) and the Indians (Pascack Valley). "Indians" is on the objectionable list for several districts with movements to change the "Indian" nickname for Passaic, Weehawken and Wayne Hills. Indian Hills High School is part of that group since the school name is a problem but their nickneme "The Braves" has not drawn much criticism.
Opponents of the Cowboys (Pascack Hills) seem not to know much about history. One opponent said it showed bias because it excluded people color. In fact, a very large percentage of cowboys (and law enforcement agents) in the Old West were men of color. Apparently history can be rewritten to suit one's own bias. The story will continue.
(BTW, The Knights of St Joseph Reg. and the Crusaders of. Bergen Catholic are not currently targets for mascot renaming.)
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Post by gks on Jun 25, 2020 11:40:14 GMT -5
NJ high schools are seeing a growing controversy over nicknames. Pascack Valley Regional Schools has two high schools (Pascack Hills and Pascack Valley) that were split from one district when student population grew in the 1960s. To show a connection, they were nicknamed the Cowboys (Pascack Hills) and the Indians (Pascack Valley). "Indians" is on the objectionable list for several districts with movements to change the "Indian" nickname for Passaic, Weehawken and Wayne Hills. Indian Hills High School is part of that group since the school name is a problem but their nickneme "The Braves" has not drawn much criticism. Opponents of the Cowboys (Pascack Hills) seem not to know much about history. One opponent said it showed bias because it excluded people color. In fact, a very large percentage of cowboys (and law enforcement agents) in the Old West were men of color. Apparently history can be rewritten to suit one's own bias. The story swill continue.(BTW, The Knights of St Joseph Reg. and the Crusaders of. Bergen Catholic are not currently targets for mascot renaming.) If the name Cowboys bothers you then you have way too much free time on your hands.
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 25, 2020 12:04:28 GMT -5
Agreed.
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Post by Tom on Jun 26, 2020 7:13:50 GMT -5
NJ high schools are seeing a growing controversy over nicknames. Pascack Valley Regional Schools has two high schools (Pascack Hills and Pascack Valley) that were split from one district when student population grew in the 1960s. To show a connection, they were nicknamed the Cowboys (Pascack Hills) and the Indians (Pascack Valley). "Indians" is on the objectionable list for several districts with movements to change the "Indian" nickname for Passaic, Weehawken and Wayne Hills. Indian Hills High School is part of that group since the school name is a problem but their nickneme "The Braves" has not drawn much criticism. Opponents of the Cowboys (Pascack Hills) seem not to know much about history. One opponent said it showed bias because it excluded people color. In fact, a very large percentage of cowboys (and law enforcement agents) in the Old West were men of color. Apparently history can be rewritten to suit one's own bias. The story swill continue.(BTW, The Knights of St Joseph Reg. and the Crusaders of. Bergen Catholic are not currently targets for mascot renaming.) If the name Cowboys bothers you then you have way too much free time on your hands. I could say the same thing about many other names
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Post by timholycross on Jun 26, 2020 8:59:38 GMT -5
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 26, 2020 9:07:16 GMT -5
I agree on all of those. The names seem almost unbelievable today...almost as bad as Red skins.
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Post by alum on Jun 26, 2020 10:51:00 GMT -5
Do we really need to fight this culture war again?
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Post by Tom on Jun 26, 2020 11:05:33 GMT -5
Fighting Irish? Some of your fellow alums are quite offended by this moniker. They said this moniker encourages a negative, erroneous stereotype and should be changed. I know many people who have said it encourages a negative stereotype, one that is no less offensive than [fill in the blank] other nickname. I am one 100 percent of them have said it in the context that everyone else should lighten up and stop going out of their way to find things to label offensive. I don't know anyone who has seriously thought that Notre Dame should get rid of the Fighting Irish or were actually offended by the nickname
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jun 26, 2020 11:08:54 GMT -5
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Post by hcpride on Jun 26, 2020 12:23:23 GMT -5
And Columbia. Commemorates and glorifies Christopher Columbus. Known in some circles for starting the genocide of the indigenous peoples.
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Post by Tom on Jun 26, 2020 12:54:18 GMT -5
The Cal State at San Bernardino Coyotes glorifies the brutal attempts to wipe out the road runner population
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jun 26, 2020 13:14:53 GMT -5
And farther down south in California is USC — I have trouble sleeping at night knowing their mascot (the Trojans) brutally killed so many.
Why are we glorifying this?
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Post by hcpride on Jun 26, 2020 14:25:59 GMT -5
And University of Virginia. Is there anything so horrid as naming a school after a slave state?
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Jun 26, 2020 16:16:05 GMT -5
Fighting Irish? Some of your fellow alums are quite offended by this moniker. They said this moniker encourages a negative, erroneous stereotype and should be changed. I know many people who have said it encourages a negative stereotype, one that is no less offensive than [fill in the blank] other nickname. I am one 100 percent of them have said it in the context that everyone else should lighten up and stop going out of their way to find things to label offensive. I don't know anyone who has seriously thought that Notre Dame should get rid of the Fighting Irish or were actually offended by the nickname I am not offended (1/2 Irish) but I think it's a stupid nickname. However, I am considering calling my Cape tennis team the Fighting Quahogs.
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Post by thecrossisback on Jun 27, 2020 8:29:20 GMT -5
www.telegram.com/news/20200627/algonquin-nashoba-alums-campaign-to-retire-racist-school-mascotsJoyner’s petition to drop Algonquin Regional’s Tomahawks mascot has been signed by more than 2,000 people, while nearly the same amount of people have digitally signed a similar petition for Nashoba Regional in Bolton to dump its mascot since 1961, the Chieftains. According to Joyner’s petition, the name “Algonquin” was “stolen from the Algonquin people, part of Algonquian language group, which have predominant populations in parts of North America.” Algonquin Regional serves students from Northboro and Southboro. “There is no record of the Algonquin tribe consenting to the Northboro-Southboro School District’s decision to name the high school and mascot after them,” Joyner wrote on the petition’s page. “The Algonquin name in conjunction with the Tomahawk mascot — which is an ax-like weapon — perpetuates racist stereotypes, classifying Natives as violent and barbaric. Waste of time and effort worrying about this. Put the same energy into helping the school improve its methods of teaching and as well as athletics and other arts programs.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jun 27, 2020 8:42:51 GMT -5
Waste of time and effort worrying about this. Put the same energy into helping the school improve its methods of teaching and as well as athletics and other arts programs. A great point. I have often thought that if the same amount of energy and enthusiasm by these groups that have been petitioning to change names and tear down statues was put into building up their own communities, these communities would be far better off.
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Post by Tom on Jun 27, 2020 9:32:59 GMT -5
www.telegram.com/news/20200627/algonquin-nashoba-alums-campaign-to-retire-racist-school-mascotsJoyner’s petition to drop Algonquin Regional’s Tomahawks mascot has been signed by more than 2,000 people, while nearly the same amount of people have digitally signed a similar petition for Nashoba Regional in Bolton to dump its mascot since 1961, the Chieftains. According to Joyner’s petition, the name “Algonquin” was “stolen from the Algonquin people, part of Algonquian language group, which have predominant populations in parts of North America.” Algonquin Regional serves students from Northboro and Southboro. “ There is no record of the Algonquin tribe consenting to the Northboro-Southboro School District’s decision to name the high school and mascot after them,” Joyner wrote on the petition’s page. “The Algonquin name in conjunction with the Tomahawk mascot — which is an ax-like weapon — perpetuates racist stereotypes, classifying Natives as violent and barbaric. Waste of time and effort worrying about this. Put the same energy into helping the school improve its methods of teaching and as well as athletics and other arts programs. I posted about the Algonquin thing on another thread. They're not just looking to get rid of the mascot. They want to change the name of the school as well -------------------------------------- In the city of Worcester, Holy Name high school and St Peter-Marian are combining and the new school will be called St Paul's. I'll have to do some checking to see if there is a record of him giving the diocese his consent to name a school after him
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 27, 2020 14:24:11 GMT -5
www.telegram.com/news/20200627/algonquin-nashoba-alums-campaign-to-retire-racist-school-mascotsJoyner’s petition to drop Algonquin Regional’s Tomahawks mascot has been signed by more than 2,000 people, while nearly the same amount of people have digitally signed a similar petition for Nashoba Regional in Bolton to dump its mascot since 1961, the Chieftains. According to Joyner’s petition, the name “Algonquin” was “stolen from the Algonquin people, part of Algonquian language group, which have predominant populations in parts of North America.” Algonquin Regional serves students from Northboro and Southboro. “ There is no record of the Algonquin tribe consenting to the Northboro-Southboro School District’s decision to name the high school and mascot after them,” Joyner wrote on the petition’s page. “The Algonquin name in conjunction with the Tomahawk mascot — which is an ax-like weapon — perpetuates racist stereotypes, classifying Natives as violent and barbaric. Waste of time and effort worrying about this. Put the same energy into helping the school improve its methods of teaching and as well as athletics and other arts programs. I posted about the Algonquin thing on another thread. They're not just looking to get rid of the mascot. They want to change the name of the school as well -------------------------------------- In the city of Worcester, Holy Name high school and St Peter-Marian are combining and the new school will be called St Paul's. I'll have to do some checking to see if there is a record of him giving the diocese his consent to name a school after him You are a Doubting Thomas.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jun 27, 2020 14:31:31 GMT -5
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 27, 2020 15:20:45 GMT -5
Fordham mascot is sexist.
Rams are all MALE.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 27, 2020 15:36:05 GMT -5
And University of Virginia. Is there anything so horrid as naming a school after a slave state? You win Crossports. A cousin of mine attended Lee-Davis High School in Mechanicsville, VA. Nickname: Confederates. Over/under on complete nane overhaul? That one may be long overdue...
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 27, 2020 15:39:03 GMT -5
And Columbia. Commemorates and glorifies Christopher Columbus. Known in some circles for starting the genocide of the indigenous peoples. With regards to Yale and Columbia, youre forgetting the rules. If you are a person or institution deemed OK by the "woke crowd" (like Jimmy Kimmel or Joe Biden), your bigotry is forgiven.
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 27, 2020 17:06:19 GMT -5
No need for forgiveness...it is simply ignored.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 28, 2020 0:20:20 GMT -5
Mulledy - Brooks. Hasn't the time arrived to remove Mulledy? It would be appropriate to replace Mulledy with the name of an African American Alumnus. Brooks-Thomas Hall it is.
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 28, 2020 7:30:47 GMT -5
No. Brooks-Martin Hall. Classmate, Art Martin '70, was a founder of the Black Student Union at Holy Cross. It's been 50 years since he graduated and this Purple Knight would deserve this distinction.
I am unaware that Clarence Thomas did anything special as a campus leader during those turbulent 60's other than being a member of the BSU when he was on campus but defer to Crucis on this. Certainly, nothing I recall reading in "Fraternity" nor my own experience was Clarence worthy of this honor (besides, doesn't he already have an honorary degree from HC?).
Art was on campus when it was lily-white before Brooks made his famous recruiting road-trip. In addition, he was an excellent athlete in track while Clarence was under the delusion he was a great football player. Art was respected by all both before and after Fr. Brooks' efforts and helped change the face of the Holy Cross campus.
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