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Post by sader1970 on Jun 28, 2020 8:40:40 GMT -5
My intent was to also make this same point in a follow up post.
Apolitical.
No question Clarence and Ted Wells more famous now but admitting my Class bias, I’d take Art’s leadership on campus over either.
I can’t find my “Fraternity” copy at home right now but there would be stories in there that would reinforce my recommendation.
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Post by alum on Jun 28, 2020 9:32:56 GMT -5
Generally, in order to get a building named for someone, a several million dollar gift is required. Sounds to me like sader1970 wants to chair the committee.😁
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 28, 2020 10:39:36 GMT -5
mm67, trying to drag back in here, right? My last post on the subject. 1. I don't have the $$$ to have naming rights for any building on campus. Wish I did. Clarence Thomas, the original point above, would be a disaster as while some might appreciate his renown, there are simply far too many alums and many, many others who remember his confirmation hearing and regardless of your political persuasion (i,e, conservative/liberal, democrat/republican) Anita Hill (love her or hate her) will rise like shrapnel to the surface and we'd be substituting one controversy for another. Black Lives DO Matter and Art would be an outstanding individual to be so honored. As for having millions of dollars, you need that when you are building a building, not to simply re-name a building. Pretty sure Fr. Brooks didn't donate millions (though he was worth millions to the College) when they tacked his name on Mulledy. How much did Edith Stein donate to the College? Or the sainted Fr. Hart? You could make a case for Ted Wells but IMHO Art was the more senior founder of the BSU and, as I said, had only Bob DeShay for company before the others got in (Orion Douglass '68 too). Signing off!
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Post by timholycross on Jun 28, 2020 12:24:56 GMT -5
Patriot haters would make a strong case for Ted Wells!
Orion Douglass is a great guy and, along w/Mr. DeShay, had it even worse than the Fraternity era young men.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 28, 2020 16:39:49 GMT -5
Patriot haters would make a strong case for Ted Wells! Orion Douglass is a great guy and, along w/Mr. DeShay, had it even worse than the Fraternity era young men. Would naming a building for Ted Wells put the Kraft-Hiatt Program for Jewish-Christian Understanding at risk? Since Fr. Brooks used to sit in the owner's box with the Kraft-Hiatt family, I think he might give his posthumous vote to another worthy co-name. But on a serious note, that group that Fr. Brooks recruited: Grayson, Wells, Jones, Thomas, etc. really made their mark after Holy Cross and did not forget the College or Father Brooks when they did. Admiration for all.
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Post by Tom on Jun 28, 2020 18:25:18 GMT -5
. Another possibility is to drop Brooks entirely and name the building after a female. Are there any buildings named after any woman either white or a woman of color? Certainly, at some point in the not too distant future there should be a woman or two or three or more honored in this way. Stein hall is named after Edith Stein The new fieldhouse is the Joanne Chouinard Luth Recreation and Wellness Cenyer
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 28, 2020 18:46:03 GMT -5
. Another possibility is to drop Brooks entirely and name the building after a female. Are there any buildings named after any woman either white or a woman of color? Certainly, at some point in the not too distant future there should be a woman or two or three or more honored in this way. Stein hall is named after Edith Stein The new fieldhouse is the Joanne Chouinard Luth Recreation and Wellness Cenyer May HC have many more Joanne Chouinard Luths in its future.
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Post by Tom on Jun 28, 2020 20:25:30 GMT -5
Stein hall is named after Edith Stein The new fieldhouse is the Joanne Chouinard Luth Recreation and Wellness Cenyer May HC have many more Joanne Chouinard Luths in its future. Not likely unless the family follows the George Foreman theory on naming kids
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 28, 2020 22:30:23 GMT -5
May HC have many more Joanne Chouinard Luths in its future. Not likely unless the family follows the George Foreman theory on naming kids Cloning technology is advancing rapidly.
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Post by timholycross on Jun 29, 2020 6:57:55 GMT -5
Texas football had, concurrently, Johnny "Ham" Jones and Johnny "Lam" Jones; although the odds on another Joanne Luth are a lot less.
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Post by HC92 on Jul 2, 2020 7:42:46 GMT -5
Just saw an article that said Emory and Henry is re-examining its use of its wasp (i.e. bug) mascot as it may be offensive or exclusionary.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jul 2, 2020 7:49:13 GMT -5
It’s about time!
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Post by Tom on Jul 2, 2020 8:07:08 GMT -5
Just saw an article that said Emory and Henry is re-examining its use of its wasp (i.e. bug) mascot as it may be offensive or exclusionary. I have to admit every time I saw that guy dressed up like a bee, my mind immediately went to the old yankee blue bloods who didn't like Irish Catholics
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 3, 2020 7:11:36 GMT -5
When will the chickens come home to roost for Notre Dame and their offensive nickname?
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 3, 2020 7:23:31 GMT -5
Despite a large demonstration of students, parents and alumni/alumnae) against changing the nicknames, the two Pascack Valley High Schools' boards of education voted to retire their "Cowboy" and "Indian" mascots. There will be a contest in the coming academic year to pick two nicknames.
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Post by hcpride on Jul 3, 2020 7:44:44 GMT -5
/\ I'd suggest the blues and the greens. While I can imagine offense at anything (including these two colors) and I can imagine some difficulties for the blind (and color-blind!), the throwback to ancient rivals has a certain appeal.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 3, 2020 11:50:33 GMT -5
The “Blues” is offensive in the extreme. It’s a “dog whistle” for Blue Eyes and thereby excludes certain minority groups. Cancel it.
“Greens” is a thinly disguised euphemism for Money and thereby a not too subtle put down of the disadvantaged. Cancel it.
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Post by Tom on Jul 6, 2020 10:17:16 GMT -5
When will the chickens come home to roost for Notre Dame and their offensive nickname? No time soon. Fortunately, the Irish people, in general, are intelligent enough to know that nicknames are chosen as something the schools admire and are chosen because the group named posses certain qualities that the schools want to emulate. Furthermore, being of western European heritage, no one considers the Irish disenfranchised enough to tell us we're supposed to be offended at things we don't find offensive. Also, to follow old stereotypes, the Irish people, in general, have a good sense of humor and can laugh at themselves, even caricatures of themselves.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Jul 6, 2020 11:22:36 GMT -5
Tom, you're not understanding that more of the backlash is not coming from those targeted/mentioned/or referred to in the name... but those who are offended on behalf of those folks. Irish can take it in stride... but can the 'flakes?
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Post by Tom on Jul 6, 2020 11:47:47 GMT -5
I completely understand that there are lots of people out there telling others they should be offended. The Seminole nation likes the fact that Florida St thinks they're worthy of the honor, but there are groups out there that think the Seminole nation should be offended.
In an ironic twist, the groups in charge of deciding who should and should not be offended only seem to care about groups they consider to be disenfranchised. They tend to act like groups of western European lineage can think for themselves but other groups can't think for themselves and they need to be told when they should be offended
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 6, 2020 13:45:37 GMT -5
How about the Atlanta (nee Milwaukee and Boston) Braves? "Brave" is a laudatory term.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jul 6, 2020 15:30:29 GMT -5
How about the Atlanta (nee Milwaukee and Boston) Braves? "Brave" is a laudatory term. They could always change to the Atlanta Hekawis...
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 6, 2020 17:13:48 GMT -5
How about the Atlanta (nee Milwaukee and Boston) Braves? "Brave" is a laudatory term. They could always change to the Atlanta Hekawis...
Apropos for the leader of the original Hart Section F, . A reference to F Troop.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 6, 2020 23:19:50 GMT -5
Dan Snyder has finally relented and will change the name of the Washington Redskins, to the D.C. Redskins. Seriously, I like the Washington Federals as a new name.
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 7, 2020 6:46:17 GMT -5
How about the Washington Generals? it has name recognition from all of those Globetrotters and a link to the current President (from his NJ football team - with Hershel Walker).
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