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Post by unhfan on Jun 26, 2020 19:33:23 GMT -5
As the MEAC is imploding it appears that Howard is looking for a new home. While some think PL membership is where they should end up one gentleman is hearing the Ivy League for athletics.
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Post by hchoops on Jun 26, 2020 19:40:17 GMT -5
In today’s atmosphere it will be a challenge for the elite eight to say no, if asked
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jun 26, 2020 19:57:15 GMT -5
In today’s atmosphere it will be a challenge for the elite eight to say no, if asked And isn’t that a shame? Howard doesn’t really make much sense for a number of reasons — it puts the Ivy League at an odd number of schools, they don’t have a traveling partner, academically they’re not at the level of the other eight schools so what would that mean with the AI, etc. I don’t disagree with you though, hoops. Optically, it wouldn’t look great — the Ivy League denying entry to an exclusive club to one of the most well known and highly regarded HBCUs. |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 26, 2020 20:46:02 GMT -5
Trey Crosby never heard of the Academic Index. The Academic Index is more than enough to keep Howard from even applying.
25th and 75th percentiles SAT Math
Howard 550 / 630
Cornell 720 / 800
Howard, 11 percent of the freshmen entering fall of 2018 were ranked in the bottom half of their high school class.
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Post by timholycross on Jun 27, 2020 7:00:21 GMT -5
Adding Howard would make getting a 12th team (a 9th football team not needed or wanted) and splitting into divisions a priority with, at that point, 4 schools clustered in DC/MD.
Harvard clobbered them in football last year. Academics aside, they are not at PL/Ivy standards.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 27, 2020 13:43:30 GMT -5
There is ZERO chance the Ivy League adds Howard.
I actually wouldn't mind Howard in the PL. Not sure what kind of SAT range their typical ATHLETES are in compared to regular student body. Are their football recruits composed of guys who just scrape by NCAA clearinghouse or are they more indicative of the body overall? If the former, the AI will be a challenge for them.
I think the PL, CAA and NEC would all ar least take a look at bringing in Howard.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 27, 2020 13:49:27 GMT -5
In today’s atmosphere it will be a challenge for the elite eight to say no, if asked Why? Name the last time the Ivy league invited a new member? In the early 1980s Army and Navy asked into the Ivy League and were denied. HOW COULD THE ELITISTS POSSIBLY DO THAT TO STUDENTS WHO ARE GOING TO DIE FOR OUR COUNTRY AFTER GRADUATION??? BIGOTRY!!! And that would've allowed the Ivies to stay I-A to boot... |
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 27, 2020 14:14:11 GMT -5
The Ivy league doesn't have to protect it's left flank. They are among the most woke institutions in the world. Remembering when D-1 split, I recall one impetus to allow all D-1 schools to stay in D-1 and just have a subdivision instead of some schools dropping to D-2 was the umbrage expressed by Ivy League schools, who had won multiple national football championships, at no longer being in D-1. At least that was mentioned in the New England Media, it might not have mattered a whit in Texas or California.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 27, 2020 15:00:40 GMT -5
The AI problem for Howard and membership in the PL is the AI floor, which is a score of 168. No student athlete with a score below 168 can play a varsity sport in the PL.
Off the top of my head, a 168 probably translates to a combined SAT of around 1100 and 3.0-3.25 GPA. I suspect that the median female GPA and SATs at Howard are markedly higher than the median male GPA and SATs.
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Post by timholycross on Jun 27, 2020 15:39:17 GMT -5
So, any college with that academic level is not a good fit, plain and simple. I would hope that would settle the matter.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 27, 2020 15:55:30 GMT -5
So, any college with that academic level is not a good fit, plain and simple. I would hope that would settle the matter. Only if they're ok with handcuffing theyre sports programs. See Towson football in the PL. They are much more competitive in the CAA than they ever were here. To somewhat of a lesser extent Loyola in Men's Hoops. |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 28, 2020 14:52:11 GMT -5
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Post by bison137 on Jun 28, 2020 15:24:05 GMT -5
The AI problem for Howard and membership in the PL is the AI floor, which is a score of 168. No student athlete with a score below 168 can play a varsity sport in the PL. Off the top of my head, a 168 probably translates to a combined SAT of around 1100 and 3.0-3.25 GPA. I suspect that the median female GPA and SATs at Howard are markedly higher than the median male GPA and SATs. That's correct. And the median GPA and SAT for athletes is significantly lower than the average for their overall student body. |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 28, 2020 18:27:53 GMT -5
Still it would be entertaining to see a group of activists start a campaign for Howard to join the Ivies just to hear how the Ivies react to it
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 28, 2020 19:55:22 GMT -5
The most entertaining part of this initial tweet is seeing some of the reactions that seem to bash the toughness of the Ivy League. Bruh, you lost to Harvard by like 80 last year. Definitely won halftime though, give em that. |
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Post by gks on Jun 29, 2020 9:24:20 GMT -5
In today’s atmosphere it will be a challenge for the elite eight to say no, if asked So by this logic..... So a school can just ask the Ivy League to join and they have to take them? |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 29, 2020 10:47:08 GMT -5
In today’s atmosphere it will be a challenge for the elite eight to say no, if asked So by this logic..... So a school can just ask the Ivy League to join and they have to take them? No, I think it's more an issue that any negative outcome for African-Americans can be seized upon by the grievance industry practitioners and declared to be racism. In fact, Howard might not even be involved, might not even "apply" for membership. The activist could just get on the right TV network and present the issue to the public. |
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Post by timholycross on Jun 29, 2020 11:18:05 GMT -5
So by this logic..... So a school can just ask the Ivy League to join and they have to take them? No, I think it's more an issue that any negative outcome for African-Americans can be seized upon by the grievance industry practitioners and declared to be racism. In fact, Howard might not even be involved, might not even "apply" for membership. The activist could just get on the right TV network and present the issue to the public. Exactly. It would be brilliant strategy by the Howard powers-that-be to seize such an opportunity. |
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