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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jul 6, 2020 12:37:35 GMT -5
Established by the Patriot League: patriotleague.org/news/2020/7/6/general-patriot-league-announces-formation-of-anti-racism-commission.aspxQuote from ADMB: “The Patriot League Anti-Racism Commission is an important initiative in our League’s efforts to develop solutions to fight racism and discrimination and advance policies that will lead to an equitable, inclusive and welcoming educational experience for all. I am thankful for the thoughtful conversations of our minority head and assistant coaches that spearheaded this initiative and for Jennifer Heppel and the Council of Presidents’ leadership in formally recognizing the Commission within the League’s governance framework.”
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 6, 2020 14:18:28 GMT -5
A better approach than tying ropes to Christopher Columbus's neck and pulling his head off. I can predict with confidence there will be no destruction of property or tear gas fired or tens of thousands of dollars of police overtime paid during the activities of this Commission, as well as no unnecessary spread of the virus due to huge gatherings.
A good way for an Academic Conference to make a difference without anyone being bullied, villified, or having their health endangered.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jul 6, 2020 15:08:44 GMT -5
A better approach than tying ropes to Christopher Columbus's neck and pulling his head off. I can predict with confidence there will be no destruction of property or tear gas fired or tens of thousands of dollars of police overtime paid during the activities of this Commission, as well as no unnecessary spread of the virus due to huge gatherings. A good way for an Academic Conference to make a difference without anyone being bullied, villified, or having their health endangered. Point of clarification. It was a statue of Columbus. I spoke to a Black Lives Matter activist, graduate of Lincoln U and NYU grad school. His concern was that the movement was being hijacked by others with a different agenda. Just so there is no confusion as to BLM’s “movement” I think it bears posting a link to their mission statement: blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jul 6, 2020 16:56:07 GMT -5
The mission statement is beautiful. Thank you. The destruction of the nuclear family doesn’t sit well with me.
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 6, 2020 17:01:29 GMT -5
That mission statement will still find those who disagree with it, but IMHO it is a good starting point for discussions on race.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 6, 2020 17:39:37 GMT -5
The nuclear family was destroyed over a 200 year period, when fathers, mothers, uncles, aunts, cousins were sold down the river.
It should not have “sit well” with Fr. Mulledy and the Maryland Provence, and others in the church, when parts of families ended up in Louisiana and other states that allowed slavery.
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Post by purplehaze on Jul 6, 2020 19:17:41 GMT -5
I guess if they want to destroy it they consider it still alive and a threat to their agenda - pretty sad if you ask me
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Post by timholycross on Jul 6, 2020 21:37:53 GMT -5
Wonder how much the lives of the half dozen or so Black children who were shot to death this weekend matter to them vis-a-vis the non-government-affiliated Black men that shot them?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jul 6, 2020 22:06:47 GMT -5
Was it only a half dozen?
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Post by Tom on Jul 7, 2020 8:48:50 GMT -5
The mission statement is beautiful. Thank you. The destruction of the nuclear family doesn’t sit well with me. It seems counterproductive to me. Yes, it's nice when neighbors pitch in and help out, but doesn't every statistic show that kids do better in a two parent household? I don't understand the logic of breaking down a dynamic that gives kids the best chance to succeed in life.
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Post by alum on Jul 7, 2020 9:10:20 GMT -5
The mission statement is beautiful. Thank you. The destruction of the nuclear family doesn’t sit well with me. I read through the What We Believe section almost all the way to the bottom to find this reference to the nuclear family: We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.First of all they didn't say they want the "destruction of the nuclear family" but instead called for reliance on extended families and "villages" if those involved were comfortable. I know the villages comment grates on many because a person they don't like wrote a book with that in the title, but I also find that those people often rely on the grandparents or the neighbors. They aren't necessarily doing it so they can work. Often it is so they can go away for the weekend without the kids. Second, you conveniently ignored this passage that preceded it by several paragraphs: We make our spaces family-friendly and enable parents to fully participate with their children. We dismantle the patriarchal practice that requires mothers to work “double shifts” so that they can mother in private even as they participate in public justice work.May I assume you agree with them on everything else in this statement?
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 7, 2020 9:31:56 GMT -5
“It takes a village” en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_takes_a_villageThe societal construct is different from one of rugged individualism by a purely concentric nuclear family that is seen in American culture. When one views life through only a filter that they are comfortable, a change of filter is seen as an aberration or anathema. In viewing comments on Crossports, I see that of a perspective from a monolithic view, not one of an understanding that comes by travel or true reflection of different societal constructs other than “Western”. The reaction I am seeing is “Primordial”. The reaction ..... It has always been that way in my world, I am now exposed to another construct, and I am not use to it, therefore it is wrong. Glad that I had Dr. Imse for several classes. He provided a path to understand coexistence within a society.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 7, 2020 10:07:27 GMT -5
Isn't the empirical evidence pretty strong that children raised with a father in the home have much better outcomes than those who do not?
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 7, 2020 10:46:43 GMT -5
Ideally, one would want to have a Father, a Mother, both sets of grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins all within a relative close proximity. In essence a “village”.
Unfortunately our society, post WWII, moved away from families being within proximity. This is seen across all ethnic groups within the US.
It is very difficult for a single parent to raise a family, be it either mother or father. I know that I would have been “Up the creek” without my wife in raising my children.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jul 7, 2020 10:52:32 GMT -5
The destruction of the nuclear family doesn’t sit well with me. . [/b] We dismantle the patriarchal practice that requires mothers to work “double shifts” so that they can mother in private even as they participate in public justice work.May I assume you agree with them on everything else in this statement? [/quote] I’m honestly not even sure what this means, but after reading the entire mission statement I found it interesting that “father” was not mentioned one time. It’s not just in the African American community, but a problem that has persisted in this country within all communities — not having two parents in the home. In the 1960s, ~75% of black households were husband and wife. I believe that number is now around ~25%. Marcellus Wiley had a great take on BLM —
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Post by alum on Jul 7, 2020 10:57:52 GMT -5
Isn't the empirical evidence pretty strong that children raised with a father in the home have much better outcomes than those who do not? I think that the evidence is mixed and there are a lot of factors at play (economic stability, domestic violence, frequent arguing without domestic violence, etc.) Lots of books and journal articles have been written about this topic. Of course, those all generalize. Each family has its own situation. May I assume that if you think having a father in the home produces better outcomes that you must really like families with kids being raised in a nuclear family with two dads? I didn't read the BLM statement as saying that nuclear families are bad. I read it to acknowledge that we have to find room to liberate all families from violence, racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, ageism (should matter to a class of 75 guy.)
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jul 7, 2020 11:06:05 GMT -5
Isn't the empirical evidence pretty strong that children raised with a father in the home have much better outcomes than those who do not? . May I assume that if you think having a father in the home produces better outcomes that you must really like families with kids being raised in a nuclear family with two dads? Or two mothers, for that matter.
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 7, 2020 11:11:53 GMT -5
Having been raised by a single mom (her husband died in WWII), grandmother, and great grandmother...a "house of women." (A neighbor did play a bit of surrogate dad role.) I saw first-hand the role of an extended family. My grandfathers and uncle stepped in and helped Mom raise me. Having two parents in the home can be a positive force. When I worked in Paterson, I saw how the welfare system forced Dads out by providing more too homes where there was no father present. It was a cause of huge negative reaction in the local community. It is not an either/or situation. Kids who feel loved and supported benefit from that. regardless of the sources of that affection.
However, the lack of support for fathers in some minority communities is troubling (to put it mildly). I wish there had been a stronger position in the mission about the role of fathers, but I don't see that as a major flaw.
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Post by Tom on Jul 7, 2020 11:32:49 GMT -5
“It takes a village” en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_takes_a_villageThe societal construct is different from one of rugged individualism by a purely concentric nuclear family that is seen in American culture. When one views life through only a filter that they are comfortable, a change of filter is seen as an aberration or anathema. In viewing comments on Crossports, I see that of a perspective from a monolithic view, not one of an understanding that comes by travel or true reflection of different societal constructs other than “Western”. The reaction I am seeing is “Primordial”. The reaction ..... It has always been that way in my world, I am now exposed to another construct, and I am not use to it, therefore it is wrong. Glad that I had Dr. Imse for several classes. He provided a path to understand coexistence within a society. As one of the people who commented, I agree with the "it takes a village" logic, but that doesn't relieve the parents of their responsibilities. My outlook might be clouded by the fact I was fortunate enough to grow up in a nuclear family, but my view of the world doesn't affect the numbers that show kids in two parent homes do better than kids who aren't in two parent homes. Sadly in 2020 America, the villagers aren't doing a very good job. Based on prevalent statistics, I don't think it's a good plan to get rid of the best tool currently in the tool belt unless I have something better in place
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 7, 2020 12:07:30 GMT -5
Isn't the empirical evidence pretty strong that children raised with a father in the home have much better outcomes than those who do not? I think that the evidence is mixed and there are a lot of factors at play (economic stability, domestic violence, frequent arguing without domestic violence, etc.) Lots of books and journal articles have been written about this topic. Of course, those all generalize. Each family has its own situation. May I assume that if you think having a father in the home produces better outcomes that you must really like families with kids being raised in a nuclear family with two dads? I didn't read the BLM statement as saying that nuclear families are bad. I read it to acknowledge that we have to find room to liberate all families from violence, racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, ageism (should matter to a class of 75 guy.) That astounds me--I thought the evidence was overwhelming Here's a website that purports to lay out some supporting data on this issue. Alas, I believe it is a conservative leaning site so the Left can dismiss it out of hand even if the data are factual lifeisbeautiful.org/statistics-on-fatherless-homes/I think there's also a difference between the single parent household (mother only) where the father is not there due to death ( e.g. "my Dad was a firefighter and died in the line of duty; I'm the son of a hero") and the one where the father is just absent ("my dad abandoned me--why?". That's just my speculation--no evidence to cite there.
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Post by bison137 on Jul 7, 2020 12:25:28 GMT -5
The evidence IS overwhelming. Kids growing up without fathers statistically have a significantly higher rate of school dropouts, criminal behavior, alcohol and drug abuse, pregnancy, obesity, etc.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 7, 2020 12:44:23 GMT -5
There is a pendulum and the farther you push it to one side the more powerful the overcorrection is when it swings back. I hope we find the sweet spot in the middle soon as the worldwide pandemic is disruptive enough on it's own.
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Post by alum on Jul 7, 2020 13:04:59 GMT -5
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Post by Tom on Jul 7, 2020 13:15:08 GMT -5
Obviously there are other factors. A kid from a single parent rich household might have a greater chance of success than a kid from a poor two parent household. A kid from a single parent household might be better off than a kid from a two parent household if one of the parents is abusive or has substance abuse problems
Perhaps it's more accurate to say all other things being basically equal, kids from two parent households have a better chance of success than kids from single parent households
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 7, 2020 13:23:50 GMT -5
Tom, nicely worded..."a better chance." That sums it up. Dads can be important role models...but that I can be a two edged sword. If looking at all kids from single parent homes the stats are pretty clear. BUT, there are exception s on both side of that generalization.
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