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Post by unhfan on Jul 9, 2020 4:04:05 GMT -5
Ivy League = Pussies. We need to play football in the fall, even without fans. Ignorance is bliss. 3 million cases 131,000 deaths in the United States. I don’t think this virus is just going to magically disappear as some do.
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Post by hc6774 on Jul 9, 2020 7:05:00 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Jul 9, 2020 7:18:44 GMT -5
Paywall
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Post by alum on Jul 9, 2020 7:26:21 GMT -5
Ivy League = Pussies. We need to play football in the fall, even without fans. Stop being gross. Do you know anyone who actually uses that term in conversation any more? This is a question of how much risk the NCAA, its conferences, their members' presidents and athletics directors, the coaches they hire, and their players are willing to assume. Some are apparently more risk averse than others. Just because some disagree with you, they are "pussies? " I assume you are using that term to imply they lack manly qualities I assume you attribute to yourself. I am not opposed to trying to make this work. The coaches are getting paid, the players are on scholarship and many colleges are fully open. I think colleges that are bringing their whole student bodies back can give this a try with the understanding that they may have to shut it down but I don't think that those who disagree with me are to be mocked.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jul 9, 2020 7:28:12 GMT -5
Ivy League = Pussies. We need to play football in the fall, even without fans. Ignorance is bliss. 3 million cases 131,000 deaths in the United States. I don’t think this virus is just going to magically disappear as some do. I know we are not going to see eye to eye here, but I believe it’s worth sharing that roughly 50,000 of these deaths have come inside two states (New York and New Jersey). This figure certainly would have been lower if elderly people were not marched into long-term care facilities by Phil Murphy and Andrew Cuomo. Furthermore, roughly 2.6% of deaths attributed to this virus have come to people below the age of 44. While the virus won’t magically disappear (and I haven’t seen anyone on this message board saying it will), we have an acute understanding of who is most at risk.
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Post by hcpride on Jul 9, 2020 7:32:01 GMT -5
Ivy League = We need to play football in the fall, even without fans. Ignorance is bliss. 3 million cases 131,000 deaths in the United States. I don’t think this virus is just going to magically disappear as some do. Don't know about 'magically', but here on Long Island it (and associated deaths) is essentially disappearing: "It’s a far cry from early April, when 3,265 new cases were identified in one day. Only 103 cases were identified Tuesday. Deaths of Long Island residents declined from 126 in one day to zero over the same period. Hospitalizations declined from 3,938 on April 7 to just 104 on Monday." www.newsday.com/news/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-infection-rate-1.46538738 No doubt the country and society can continue - based on the data and the science regarding who is at risk of death - while combating this virus and all other illnesses.
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Post by trimster on Jul 9, 2020 7:34:45 GMT -5
Ivy League = Pussies. We need to play football in the fall, even without fans. Based on what; the early returns of college football programs that brought teams back to campus to work out. How has that gone?
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Post by hcpride on Jul 9, 2020 7:35:45 GMT -5
Ivy League = Pussies. We need to play football in the fall, even without fans. Based on what; the early returns of college football programs that brought teams back to campus to work out. How has that gone? So far so good. Once they go to full contact there are sure to be some injuries - some serious and some not so serious.
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Post by unhfan on Jul 9, 2020 8:11:00 GMT -5
Based on what; the early returns of college football programs that brought teams back to campus to work out. How has that gone? So far so good. Once they go to full contact there are sure to be some injuries - some serious and some not so serious. No outbreaks of Covid-19? I must have misread ESPN.
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Post by trimster on Jul 9, 2020 8:26:05 GMT -5
So far so good. Once they go to full contact there are sure to be some injuries - some serious and some not so serious. No outbreaks of Covid-19? I must have misread ESPN. I think half of the Clemson team has Covid. Alabama has had major problems. Others have as well. If the general student body has similar results, campuses will be quarantined.
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Post by hcpride on Jul 9, 2020 8:26:58 GMT -5
So far so good. Once they go to full contact there are sure to be some injuries - some serious and some not so serious. No outbreaks of Covid-19? I must have misread ESPN. Covid-19 amongst early reporting college-aged footballers (asymptomatic and otherwise) does not indicate things are going badly. They are anticipated - and should not trigger faux horror. (I know the narrative says otherwise) I haven't hear of any serious injuries (or injuries at all although they certainly may have occurred). No idea how you are misreading ESPN.
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Post by hcpride on Jul 9, 2020 8:32:07 GMT -5
No outbreaks of Covid-19? I must have misread ESPN. I think half of the Clemson team has Covid. Alabama has had major problems. Others have as well. If the general student body has similar results, campuses will be quarantined. It is true many college-aged football players and students (on campus and otherwise) have tested positive for Covid-19 nationwide. More (on campus and not) will continue to do so. That is anticipated. Fortunately, the data and science indicates positive outcomes for this age group.
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Post by rickii on Jul 9, 2020 8:51:51 GMT -5
Couple comments....
You can’t trust the data #’s from ANY source....most reports come with a spin wash interpretation.
I’m going to assume that most here know that the specific data on deaths and death-rate percentages have been suspect for several weeks. ‘Cause of Death’ on death certificates have - in too many areas - been skewed in favor of expediency at the expense of normal probing as to preconditions severity.
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Post by unhfan on Jul 9, 2020 8:59:07 GMT -5
No outbreaks of Covid-19? I must have misread ESPN. Covid-19 amongst early reporting college-aged footballers (asymptomatic and otherwise) does not indicate things are going badly. They are anticipated - and should not trigger faux horror. (I know the narrative says otherwise) I haven't hear of any serious injuries (or injuries at all although they certainly may have occurred). No idea how you are misreading ESPN. Do you support wearing masks and social distancing? I’m just wondering how much of this do you think is all overblown fake news and we should just go back to the way things were pre pandemic. Do you believe what the esteemed Dr. Fauci says or is he just making things up?
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Post by Tom on Jul 9, 2020 9:21:45 GMT -5
If no Ivy schools are letting students travel, it's really hard to have road games, and at least half the teams playing any college sport are playing on the road.
I know that the percentage of teenagers and young 20's dying is very low, but I assume the hospitalization rate is higher. I have no numbers to back this up, but I'm guessing there are a bunch of kids out there who didn't die but were hospitalized and utilizing limited and strained resources. If you're in an area where medical facilities have excess capacity, you can let the kids get sick because they'll be OK with proper medical care. If you're getting to a point where things are maxed out and sick people can't get proper care, plans might have to be adjusted. Every night on the news there's a feel good story about someone being released after a month in ICU. I think it's likely some of them would have died if there was no bed available.
No stats, sources, or citations. Just an observation based in part on my version of common sense
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 9, 2020 9:21:58 GMT -5
Just for the record, New Jersey's Governor Murphy has now made masks mandatory for everyone - even outdoors. Just looking around, I see about 50/60% Compliance. In fairness, many do not yet know about the mandate.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 9, 2020 9:45:29 GMT -5
Is it true that "the science" tells us that younger people who have covid-19 do not readily transmit to older people ?
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Post by hchoops on Jul 9, 2020 10:07:53 GMT -5
No
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Post by hcpride on Jul 9, 2020 10:33:05 GMT -5
Covid-19 amongst early reporting college-aged footballers (asymptomatic and otherwise) does not indicate things are going badly. They are anticipated - and should not trigger faux horror. (I know the narrative says otherwise) I haven't hear of any serious injuries (or injuries at all although they certainly may have occurred). No idea how you are misreading ESPN. Do you support wearing masks and social distancing? I’m just wondering how much of this do you think is all overblown fake news and we should just go back to the way things were pre pandemic. Do you believe what the esteemed Dr. Fauci says or is he just making things up? Are you suggesting Dr. Fauci has said that college age student athletes (asymptomatic and otherwise) who test positive are going to have bad outcomes? (Other than statistical outliers) Do you understand that the reason why athletic teams test and re-test is because they anticipate there may be a positive and want to detect it early and deal with it properly?
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Post by hcpride on Jul 9, 2020 10:35:49 GMT -5
Is it true that "the science" tells us that younger people who have covid-19 do not readily transmit to older people ? The experts have been all over the place with this one. At one point the experts noted that young children (elementary age) did not seem to develop major symptoms and die at anything close to the rate of folks over 60 (that still holds true) AND that they did not seem to spread it to the extent older folks did (perhaps because they don't develop some of the symptoms that facilitate the spread). Now there has been a back and forth given the debate over reopening the public schools.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jul 9, 2020 10:44:56 GMT -5
Ivy League = Pussies. We need to play football in the fall, even without fans. Based on what; the early returns of college football programs that brought teams back to campus to work out. How has that gone? Ohio State and UNC both shutdown workouts yesterday.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 9, 2020 10:56:30 GMT -5
I would like to see a cogent argument why “We need to play football in the fall, even without fans”.
Provide your rationale.
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Post by Tom on Jul 9, 2020 11:12:31 GMT -5
Do you support wearing masks and social distancing? I’m just wondering how much of this do you think is all overblown fake news and we should just go back to the way things were pre pandemic. Do you believe what the esteemed Dr. Fauci says or is he just making things up? Are you suggesting Dr. Fauci has said that college age student athletes (asymptomatic and otherwise) who test positive are going to have bad outcomes? (Other than statistical outliers) Do you understand that the reason why athletic teams test and re-test is because they anticipate there may be a positive and want to detect it early and deal with it properly? That works great in MA where things are pretty tame right now. Last night they were showing massive lines waiting for tests in Phoenix and reported that results can take up to 10 days. I'm as much of a sports fan as the next guy, but is it reasonable that athletes should have better access to multiple tests in hot spots than the average guy just trying to get one No science, just an observation, but I would expect young children to be worse spreaders because they haven't learned some responsibility yet. Extreme example, but my 6 month old nephew blatantly coughed right in my face the other day with no effort to cover his mouth. We all can expect a 7 year old to deal with this better than a baby, but little kids in aren't going to do all the things we're being told to do. In the elementary schools, they'll need to do daily bus sweeps to collect all the lost masks.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jul 9, 2020 11:35:43 GMT -5
Are you suggesting Dr. Fauci has said that college age student athletes (asymptomatic and otherwise) who test positive are going to have bad outcomes? (Other than statistical outliers) Do you understand that the reason why athletic teams test and re-test is because they anticipate there may be a positive and want to detect it early and deal with it properly? That works great in MA where things are pretty tame right now. Last night they were showing massive lines waiting for tests in Phoenix and reported that results can take up to 10 days. I'm as much of a sports fan as the next guy, but is it reasonable that athletes should have better access to multiple tests in hot spots than the average guy just trying to get one No science, just an observation, but I would expect young children to be worse spreaders because they haven't learned some responsibility yet. Extreme example, but my 6 month old nephew blatantly coughed right in my face the other day with no effort to cover his mouth. We all can expect a 7 year old to deal with this better than a baby, but little kids in aren't going to do all the things we're being told to do. In the elementary schools, they'll need to do daily bus sweeps to collect all the lost masks. But let's say your six month year old nephew was at daycare all day, contracted the virus, and then coughed in your face. Now you would have an issue!
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Post by HC92 on Jul 9, 2020 11:45:15 GMT -5
I haven’t been following all of the Covid situations with college football teams closely. Based on what I have heard, it seems like there have been many cases with the first positive test when the athletes return to campus or shortly thereafter, suggesting they contracted it while home. Once positive, they have been quarantined until recovered. Without having gone back to campus, they would not have been tested if asymptomatic and would have continued to spread it for a couple of weeks at home. Is it possible, having them on campus and tested regularly and limiting contact with others is actually slowing the spread rather than accelerating it? If a higher percentage of kids test positive for the first time a week or more after they return to campus, that would suggest it’s not working or certain schools are not managing their players’ interactions well. As others have stated, this isn’t going away. If the % of positive in these team bubbles winds up lower than it is for the same demographic outside these bubbles, that’s good. I think. How well it works at a particular school will be driven by how well the school controls its players’ movements. I think.
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