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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 1, 2020 20:28:13 GMT -5
The Ivies, and Georgetown have a problem. Their plans for the spring were to bring only part of the school back; e.g., freshmen on campus in the fall, replaced by seniors in the spring. There is much uncertainty on the voy board about what the Ivies will do. Georgetown has no plans right now to bring anybody back in the spring. There are fewer than 100 students on campus right now, many of them international students who couldn't go back right now. Men's and women's basketball just got back in advance of Big East play but have nothing to do--DC law forbids use of gymnasiums at this time.
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Post by hcpride on Oct 2, 2020 6:18:45 GMT -5
The Ivies, and Georgetown have a problem. Their plans for the spring were to bring only part of the school back; e.g., freshmen on campus in the fall, replaced by seniors in the spring. There is much uncertainty on the voy board about what the Ivies will do. Georgetown has no plans right now to bring anybody back in the spring. There are fewer than 100 students on campus right now, many of them international students who couldn't go back right now. ... Georgetown’s situation (essentially nobody on campus and no announced plans to return in the spring) is very similar to Princeton’s.
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Post by purplehaze on Oct 2, 2020 12:39:07 GMT -5
Let GU sit out the spring - I'm not in favor of playing in the playoffs in May - agree to get the wheels in motion for a 5 game spring season late March through April
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Post by hcpride on Oct 2, 2020 14:40:38 GMT -5
/\ IMHO a 5-game Spring 2021 “season” would be more trouble than it is worth. Especially if the first Fall 2021 games are just 4 months later.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 2, 2020 15:26:48 GMT -5
I should think our players would jump at the chance to play even 5 games in the Spring: "Let us play football!"
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Post by Crucis#1 on Oct 2, 2020 15:36:30 GMT -5
If there is a 5 game spring season for the PL, limit it to first and second year athletes. It will give them a chance to play their peers and get acclimated to college level competition, as well as allow evaluation. Allow the Seniors or Juniors to participate in practice and training in the spring. Extraordinary circumstances require a beyond the circle vision for implementation.
Consideration should be given to current Seniors and Juniors regarding an extra year or eligibility to play in 2021 and 2022. This would be done upon agreement with the coaching staff and the college regarding their academic requirements.
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Post by hc6774 on Oct 3, 2020 6:19:07 GMT -5
WIf there is a 5 game spring season for the PL, limit it to first and second year athletes. It will give them a chance to play their peers and get acclimated to college level competition, as well as allow evaluation. Allow the Seniors or Juniors to participate in practice and training in the spring. Extraordinary circumstances require a beyond the circle vision for implementation. Consideration should be given to current Seniors and Juniors regarding an extra year or eligibility to play in 2021 and 2022. This would be done upon agreement with the coaching staff and the college regarding their academic requirements. It's like a WW II Japanese Navy battle plan... but I like it... I would give seniors the option to play in the spring and graduate
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Post by hc2020 on Oct 8, 2020 12:45:33 GMT -5
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 9, 2020 14:16:37 GMT -5
The other day, Fauci set out a vaccination timeline. Everyone who is in a priority group, i.e., co-morbidities, essential workers, is vaccinated by April. The rest of the population, which includes otherwise healthy college students, is vaccinated by September (hopefully), or December (pessimistically). The logistics of vaccinating the latter group is the constraining factor. Once the priority group is vaccinated, restrictions can be eased.
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Post by HC92 on Oct 9, 2020 15:39:39 GMT -5
The other day, Fauci set out a vaccination timeline. Everyone who is in a priority group, i.e., co-morbidities, essential workers, is vaccinated by April. The rest of the population, which includes otherwise healthy college students, is vaccinated by September (hopefully), or December (pessimistically). The logistics of vaccinating the latter group is the constraining factor. Once the priority group is vaccinated, restrictions can be eased. How can we set out a vaccination timeline before we have an approved vaccine? Is every one of the vaccines currently in trial going to be approved and distributed on the same timeline? Does it matter if multiple vaccines receive approval?
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Post by timholycross on Oct 9, 2020 15:54:53 GMT -5
The other day, Fauci set out a vaccination timeline. Everyone who is in a priority group, i.e., co-morbidities, essential workers, is vaccinated by April. The rest of the population, which includes otherwise healthy college students, is vaccinated by September (hopefully), or December (pessimistically). The logistics of vaccinating the latter group is the constraining factor. Once the priority group is vaccinated, restrictions can be eased. How can we set out a vaccination timeline before we have an approved vaccine? Is every one of the vaccines currently in trial going to be approved and distributed on the same timeline? Does it matter if multiple vaccines receive approval? Define "co-morbidity" too. What conditions? What age? What combination of the two?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 9, 2020 17:31:30 GMT -5
The other day, Fauci set out a vaccination timeline. Everyone who is in a priority group, i.e., co-morbidities, essential workers, is vaccinated by April. The rest of the population, which includes otherwise healthy college students, is vaccinated by September (hopefully), or December (pessimistically). The logistics of vaccinating the latter group is the constraining factor. Once the priority group is vaccinated, restrictions can be eased. How can we set out a vaccination timeline before we have an approved vaccine? Is every one of the vaccines currently in trial going to be approved and distributed on the same timeline? Does it matter if multiple vaccines receive approval? Fauci has said he expects that at least one vaccine will be available end of November - early December. Available meaning approved. There are three candidates who could meet that timeline: Moderna, Pfizer, Johnson&Johnson. AstraZenica's U.S. Phase III trial is suspended; it was once a front-runner. (Phase 3 trials continue in other countries.) Moderna and Pfizer have a mRNA vaccine, requiring two shots, 3-4 weeks apart. These were the first US vaccines out of the gate. The logistics of vaccine distribution and individual vaccination are complicated by the two-dose regime, and Moderna's vaccine must be stored at -20C, and Pfizer's at -40C. Johnson&Johnson is a modified adenovirus vaccine. It is also a single dose vaccine. So even though it started later, the one dose regime allows it to play catchup. Merck also started behind Moderna and Pfizer, will deploy a single dose vaccine (of a live, weakened virus) and is examining whether its vaccine might be administered orally. I don't think Merck's clinical trial data will be available by November, but that is speculation of my part. Merck should complete its clinical trials by year's end, and some suggest Merck is the tortoise that will catch up and surpass Moderna and Pfizer. ________________ > Fauci is able to set out a timeline post-approval because he knows how many doses each manufacturer will have produced by date x, y, and z. > It is very likely that different vaccines will be approved on different timelines, and different priority groups will receive different vaccines. For example, Pfizer's vaccine, given its cold temperature storage and transport requirements, might primarily be administered to health care personnel. A different vaccine might be used to inoculate essential workers. > It certainly helps immensely if different vaccines are approved, especially when it comes to inoculating the majority of the population, i.e., those without existing co-morbidities. Single dose vaccine is better than two. From an ease of administration standpoint, oral vaccine is better than a shot. (Remember polio, which went from shot (Salk) to oral (Sabin).
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 9, 2020 17:48:20 GMT -5
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 9, 2020 19:13:16 GMT -5
Phreek, would I be wrong to assume that the two-dose vaccines are simply getting the same concoction twice or are there two different formulations for the 1st and 2nd shot?
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 9, 2020 23:05:01 GMT -5
Will the shots be in the arm...or the other place?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 9, 2020 23:21:07 GMT -5
Will the shots be in the arm...or the other place? How good is your insurance plan?
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 9, 2020 23:32:37 GMT -5
Will the shots be in the arm...or the other place? How good is your insurance plan? I just ordered a cushion on Amazon.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 10, 2020 7:21:10 GMT -5
Phreek, would I be wrong to assume that the two-dose vaccines are simply getting the same concoction twice or are there two different formulations for the 1st and 2nd shot? I believe it is the same formulation. I think a one shot doesn't provide the level of protection sought. In the phase 1 trials, IIRC, for both Moderna and Pfizer, a subset of the volunteers being vaccinated were given a substantially higher dosage (250 micrograms) than what is being used in phase 3, and the adverse reactions were unacceptable; i.e., LongSuffering would need two cushions for a week. All the photos of volunteers being vaccinated indicate the arm is the preferred target area. It may be that Brazil, for example, may choose to inoculate Carnival participants elsewhere, given the larger already-exposed target area. The vaccines typically have a boost component(s) (which may vary by vaccine) to increase vaccine response and effectiveness, but a discussion of that is wandering into an area above my pay grade.
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Post by cruskater31 on Oct 13, 2020 10:01:29 GMT -5
Bringing this back to football, if the NCAA approved a 16 team bracket with only auto-bids, and a conference or two sits it out (hopefully not the PL), I wonder how they would handle it. Highest ranked non-qualifier gets an at-large bid, or play with 14 or 15 and a bye for the top team(s). It would be quite the poor look for the PL in the college football landscape IF the playoff happens next May.
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Post by hc2020 on Oct 13, 2020 11:49:49 GMT -5
It would be nice if HC had the same opportunity to put the pads on and have some real football practices:
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Post by hc2020 on Oct 17, 2020 14:46:46 GMT -5
An update sent out on Friday from HC about spring semester. Hopefully a good sign for spring football:
Dear Students, Parents and Colleagues, As we approach the mid-term of the semester, I want to acknowledge and express my gratitude for your hard work and commitment to teaching, studying and supporting the education of our students, and also update you on our plans for the spring. I continue to be impressed by the resiliency and resolve of our entire community. While we are not physically together, learning and engagement has not waned, and our sense of community remains incredibly strong. We continue to move through this uncertain time together, and, as Dr. Fauci advised our students last week, we continue to move forward with hope. As I said in my fall address a few weeks ago, our plan is to bring all students who wish to be on campus back in the spring. We will maintain strict health and safety guidelines and testing protocols in order to help protect our campus and local community. It is important that we find ways to be together, and all of us will play a role in ensuring that we are able to do so. We are currently testing approximately 700 residential and off campus students twice a week and we have 530 employees in our testing protocol as well. Working with the Broad Institute and OneMedical, we will be scaling this up for the spring. The results of our testing are available on our COVID-19 Dashboard. We are also drawing on the plans we developed for the fall semester and the knowledge we have gained through our own experience and that of our peer institutions to allow our students to live, learn and build community together as safely as possible on campus in the spring. I want to reiterate that only serious community and state public health concerns will prevent us from being together on campus this spring. To understand any such concerns, we are monitoring the following metrics and trends, and how they relate to each other. These metrics will be posted to our dashboard in the coming week: • The Effective Reproduction Rate (Rt) in Massachusetts. The Rt is the average number of people who become infected by an infectious person. • Certain information from the state’s public health dashboard. • The 7-day Weighted Average of Positive Molecular Test Rate in Massachusetts. • Number of hospitals in MA using surge capacity. • Similar information in the city of Worcester, including the test positivity rate, and the average daily incidence rate per 100,000. • Local hospital capacity. • State guidance. The Governor of Massachusetts has outlined a 4-phase reopening plan. We are currently in Phase III. Next week, students will receive information about enrollment for spring courses, which will take place in mid November. The housing process will begin at that time as well. As the details of our plans are finalized over the next month and as we progress toward the start of the semester, we will update you via weekly email updates and our COVID-19 Response and Reopening website. I offer my prayers for the health of all of you and your families and for continued success in managing the work of the fall semester. I look forward to being together again soon on Mount St. James. Sincerely,
Philip L. Boroughs, S.J. President
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Post by joshua1 on Oct 17, 2020 17:27:04 GMT -5
Will fans be allowed to attend games if we have a spring football season what do you think I hope fans will be allowed to attend games this spring if there is football
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Post by Crucis#1 on Oct 18, 2020 18:53:43 GMT -5
Our second favorite FCS team.... Sacramento State / Holy Cross West, 🙂, has decided against playing football in the spring of 2021. Really wish that HC would schedule a game at Sacramento State when it is safe to do so in appreciation of their kind gesture in 1969. Since members of both teams are now in their 70’s, the game should be scheduled within the next 5 years. hornetsports.com/sports/fball/2020-21/releases/20201015i09uoy
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Post by hc2020 on Oct 19, 2020 18:37:05 GMT -5
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Post by hc2020 on Nov 7, 2020 18:06:00 GMT -5
The current plan for the spring s to have the team back on campus shortly after New Year’s Day. The month of January will be devoted to team conditioning and on-field and classroom activities. Regular padded practices will likely begin on or about February 1st, with an expectation of a March 6th or 13th first game. The actual schedule will consist of 4-6 conference games, with a potential of splitting the conference into a North and South Divisions to enable teams to adhere to the current no overnight travelled requirements. This might require HC to play Colgate and Fordham twice, and potentially Lehigh or Lafayette as well. Unless a full 6 game conference schedule is employed, the distance between HC and Bucknell and Georgetown may make games against those teams prohibitive. The league is committed to sending a conference champion to the FCS playoffs, with North and South champions perhaps playing teach other to determine the league representative.
Also, at the moment the belief is that it is unlikely that the Ivy League will be playing a regular conference schedule in the spring due in part to the fact that several schools will only have a portion of their team on campus in the spring. Some schools could possibly decide to play in he spring, with the possibility that a Patriot League crossover game or two could be scheduled with a geographically close Ivy League opponent. This scenario, however, is not envisioned at the moment.
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