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Post by purplehaze on Jul 27, 2020 15:25:30 GMT -5
Inevitable development as the MAAC announced this afternoon that all fall sports have been cancelled
This is a big week with Power 5 conferences, as the pressure is on for them to make some decisions
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 27, 2020 20:19:45 GMT -5
P5 will forge ahead unless all hell breaks loose in a couple of team camps where a Florida Marlins-type breakout occurs. It WILL happen somewhere.
But let's get one thing straight. The Pac-12, Big Ten (and I think ACC) cancelling non-conference games has nothing at all to do with safety. It gives member institutions shelter from getting sued over guarantee payouts to smaller schools.
Example: If Oregon were to have played North Dakota State in front of no fans for their scheduled opener, they could be contractually obligated to pay out a hefty guarantee despite a complete loss of home game ticket revenue and concessions. However, now the individual schools have the ability to say, "but our conference canceled the game. It was out of our control". If it was really about "safety" and reducing potential exposure, why is the Pac-12 now playing 10 conference games instead of the usual 8? Is it somehow, for example, less risky now for Washington State to to board a flight from Spokane to LAX to play a previously not scheduled game at UCLA than it would have been for them to stay on campus and host Idaho?
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 27, 2020 20:32:50 GMT -5
P5 will forge ahead unless all hell breaks loose in a couple of team camps where a Florida Marlins-type breakout occurs. It WILL happen somewhere. But let's get one thing straight. The Pac-12, Big Ten (and I think ACC) cancelling non-conference games has nothing at all to do with safety. It gives member institutions shelter from getting sued over guarantee payouts to smaller schools. Example: If Oregon were to have played North Dakota State in front of no fans for their scheduled opener, they could be contractually obligated to pay out a hefty guarantee despite a complete loss of home game ticket revenue and concessions. However, now the individual schools have the ability to say, "but our conference canceled the game. It was out of our control". If it was really about "safety" and reducing potential exposure, why is the Pac-12 now playing 10 conference games instead of the usual 8? Is it somehow, for example, less risky now for Washington State to to board a flight from Spokane to LAX to play a previously not scheduled game at UCLA than it would have been for them to stay on campus and host Idaho? Bob Costas now appears on CNN and he just finished up a segment from his kitchen. He questioned how football can escape what baseball is experiencing because there is direct contact on each and every play. He said College football players don't get paid or have a union to protect them and it puts the lie to the term "student athlete" if campuses are not holding classes in person and football players are playing only for television money that goes to the schools. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 27, 2020 21:01:59 GMT -5
P5 will forge ahead unless all hell breaks loose in a couple of team camps where a Florida Marlins-type breakout occurs. It WILL happen somewhere. But let's get one thing straight. The Pac-12, Big Ten (and I think ACC) cancelling non-conference games has nothing at all to do with safety. It gives member institutions shelter from getting sued over guarantee payouts to smaller schools. Example: If Oregon were to have played North Dakota State in front of no fans for their scheduled opener, they could be contractually obligated to pay out a hefty guarantee despite a complete loss of home game ticket revenue and concessions. However, now the individual schools have the ability to say, "but our conference canceled the game. It was out of our control". If it was really about "safety" and reducing potential exposure, why is the Pac-12 now playing 10 conference games instead of the usual 8? Is it somehow, for example, less risky now for Washington State to to board a flight from Spokane to LAX to play a previously not scheduled game at UCLA than it would have been for them to stay on campus and host Idaho? Bob Costas now appears on CNN and he just finished up a segment from his kitchen. He questioned how football can escape what baseball is experiencing because there is direct contact on each and every play. He said College football players don't get paid or have a union to protect them and it puts the lie to the term "student athlete" if campuses are not holding classes in person and football players are playing only for television money that goes to the schools.Didn't the NCAA already draw a line in the sand and say that fielding competitive sports would not be an option for schools going to online-only this fall? |
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 27, 2020 21:17:24 GMT -5
Bob Costas now appears on CNN and he just finished up a segment from his kitchen. He questioned how football can escape what baseball is experiencing because there is direct contact on each and every play. He said College football players don't get paid or have a union to protect them and it puts the lie to the term "student athlete" if campuses are not holding classes in person and football players are playing only for television money that goes to the schools.Didn't the NCAA already draw a line in the sand and say that fielding competitive sports would not be an option for schools going to online-only this fall? That sounds familiar. I think Bob phrased it like "not having all students on campus" or something. I am sure the P-5 schools will cover themselves by having enough in-person classes to keep the TV money rolling in. Colleges might have an advantage over pro football and baseball if they can build an effective bubble around the players, but the direct contact won't allow for much margin of error. And colleges are "In Loco Parentis" to some degree where the pros are not. |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 28, 2020 12:06:50 GMT -5
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Post by Chu Chu on Jul 28, 2020 14:06:34 GMT -5
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 28, 2020 16:41:39 GMT -5
It's off limits to discuss opinions on COVID policy on this board as of now. I missed initial memo and probably missed a 30-day timeout only because of Dean's kindness. Will read article though, thanks. |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 28, 2020 17:32:51 GMT -5
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 28, 2020 18:06:12 GMT -5
Phreek -- I'm guessing its the tip of the iceberg. This is going to be quite the roller coaster in the sports world. Probably more so college than what we're already seeing in MLB with multiple teams already missing games due to outbreaks Week 1.
Wishing the affected Marlins and Phillies players a speedy recovery.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jul 28, 2020 18:08:04 GMT -5
P5 will forge ahead unless all hell breaks loose in a couple of team camps where a Florida Marlins-type breakout occurs. It WILL happen somewhere. But let's get one thing straight. The Pac-12, Big Ten (and I think ACC) cancelling non-conference games has nothing at all to do with safety. It gives member institutions shelter from getting sued over guarantee payouts to smaller schools. Example: If Oregon were to have played North Dakota State in front of no fans for their scheduled opener, they could be contractually obligated to pay out a hefty guarantee despite a complete loss of home game ticket revenue and concessions. However, now the individual schools have the ability to say, "but our conference canceled the game. It was out of our control". If it was really about "safety" and reducing potential exposure, why is the Pac-12 now playing 10 conference games instead of the usual 8? Is it somehow, for example, less risky now for Washington State to to board a flight from Spokane to LAX to play a previously not scheduled game at UCLA than it would have been for them to stay on campus and host Idaho? The contract language is going to be interesting to follow... Auburn's contract with UMass spells out a bunch of reasons that the game can be canceled but a pandemic or anything close to it isn't included. So if they decide that playing conference games and cancel non conference, that could be a breach of contract on Auburn's side. www.masslive.com/umassfootball/2020/07/will-umass-football-still-get-19m-from-auburn-if-sec-cancels-nonconference-games-its-complicated-matt-vautour.html |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 29, 2020 8:22:25 GMT -5
P5 will forge ahead unless all hell breaks loose in a couple of team camps where a Florida Marlins-type breakout occurs. It WILL happen somewhere. But let's get one thing straight. The Pac-12, Big Ten (and I think ACC) cancelling non-conference games has nothing at all to do with safety. It gives member institutions shelter from getting sued over guarantee payouts to smaller schools. Example: If Oregon were to have played North Dakota State in front of no fans for their scheduled opener, they could be contractually obligated to pay out a hefty guarantee despite a complete loss of home game ticket revenue and concessions. However, now the individual schools have the ability to say, "but our conference canceled the game. It was out of our control". If it was really about "safety" and reducing potential exposure, why is the Pac-12 now playing 10 conference games instead of the usual 8? Is it somehow, for example, less risky now for Washington State to to board a flight from Spokane to LAX to play a previously not scheduled game at UCLA than it would have been for them to stay on campus and host Idaho? The contract language is going to be interesting to follow... Auburn's contract with UMass spells out a bunch of reasons that the game can be canceled but a pandemic or anything close to it isn't included. So if they decide that playing conference games and cancel non conference, that could be a breach of contract on Auburn's side. www.masslive.com/umassfootball/2020/07/will-umass-football-still-get-19m-from-auburn-if-sec-cancels-nonconference-games-its-complicated-matt-vautour.htmlI think I could take "prohibitory or governmental authority" and drive a truck through it. The SEC is a prohibitory authority, 'no OOC games'. The governor of a state saying no fans at any game is a governmental authority. |
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Post by bfoley82 on Jul 29, 2020 12:04:59 GMT -5
I think I could take "prohibitory or governmental authority" and drive a truck through it. The SEC is a prohibitory authority, 'no OOC games'. The governor of a state saying no fans at any game is a governmental authority. No fans at a game doesn’t mean they have to cancel the game. I am thinking Auburn will end up having to push the game to another year. |
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