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Post by ge on Jul 29, 2020 10:15:13 GMT -5
I did a web search yesterday on Holy Cross great track/cross country star Art Dulong yesterday. When Art came to Detroit for a cross country meet my dad, a huge HC alumnus had to pick up Art to and from the airport for his event. Naturally, I joined my dad for his duties and got to meet Art and root him on. I had also seen Art run at the NCAA Track Indoor Championship at Cobo Arena in Detroit during the late 60's. Here is a link to a March 1969 Crusader with articles on basketball great Ed Suidut (Page 11-10), HC football players Bob Neary and Paul Scopetski trying out for the Dolphins and Browns (Page 10) and Art Dulong on Page 11. I though some of you alums might enjoy this old periodical: crossworks.holycross.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2409&context=crusaderQuestion for you guys - of HC athletes over the years who were non-baseball,non-football or non-basketball is Art Dulong the greatest athlete in HC history?
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Post by hchoops on Jul 29, 2020 10:51:44 GMT -5
I believe we had some Olympic t&f athletes long ago, but Art certainly is one of the best
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Post by hc6774 on Jul 29, 2020 12:05:48 GMT -5
John Collins, a sprinter in the '60's?
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Post by alum on Jul 29, 2020 12:55:44 GMT -5
John Collins, a sprinter in the '60's? My initial gut reaction was that Dulong was going to be a lot better. It turns out that Collins holds the HC record in the 100 yard dash, an event which has not been competed in forty years. According to the HC track record list he ran 9.4 as a sophomore in 1966. Charlie Greene won the NCAA championships that year in 9.3. Greene was an Olympic medalist. I don't know about wind and weather so a comparison can only go so far. I also don't know if Collins ran that fast frequently. Collin's bio in the HC Hall of Fame is not accessible for some reason so I can't tell how he did in national championship meets, but he was obviously an extraordinary runner.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 29, 2020 13:24:47 GMT -5
Andy Kelly was a world record holder in the 300 yard dash, I think, so one could make a good case for him.
It's too bad that Art came so close to the 3:59 mile but did not quite get there--unless he did so after graduating??
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Post by efg72 on Jul 29, 2020 14:20:07 GMT -5
John Collins, a sprinter in the '60's? My initial gut reaction was that Dulong was going to be a lot better. It turns out that Collins holds the HC record in the 100 yard dash, an event which has not been competed in forty years. According to the HC track record list he ran 9.4 as a sophomore in 1966. Charlie Greene won the NCAA championships that year in 9.3. Greene was an Olympic medalist. I don't know about wind and weather so a comparison can only go so far. I also don't know if Collins ran that fast frequently. Collin's bio in the HC Hall of Fame is not accessible for some reason so I can't tell how he did in national championship meets, but he was obviously an extraordinary runner. John and his family live in the DC area- worked at the SEC, the Federal Reserve and then on the Senate Banking Committee before joining the law firm, Steptoe and Johnson, back in the mid 80s where he is still working He was running 5k, 10k, and mini-marathons up until the last five years or so and finishing up top in all of the events. John followed me as the head of the HC Club in DC back in the early 80s He is a great lawyer and an even better person-- BTW his 3 daughters went to HC
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Post by hc6774 on Jul 29, 2020 14:56:28 GMT -5
John Collins, a sprinter in the '60's? My initial gut reaction was that Dulong was going to be a lot better. It turns out that Collins holds the HC record in the 100 yard dash, an event which has not been competed in forty years. According to the HC track record list he ran 9.4 as a sophomore in 1966. Charlie Greene won the NCAA championships that year in 9.3. Greene was an Olympic medalist. I don't know about wind and weather so a comparison can only go so far. I also don't know if Collins ran that fast frequently. Collin's bio in the HC Hall of Fame is not accessible for some reason so I can't tell how he did in national championship meets, but he was obviously an extraordinary runner. Check out runner Tom Lawlor ’90, Crusader of the Year. From a letter by his class & roommate a few years ago… After graduating he competed on the international track circuit in England and Ireland in the summer of 1991. On schedule to qualify for the 1992 Olympic Trials at 5000 meters, a stress fracture ended his season that spring. The cross-country and track teams joined the Patriot League in 1991, the year after Tom’s graduation. As a point of comparison, Tom’s best times suggest that he continues to be a dominant presence in the last twenty-five years of Patriot League-level competition. His best collegiate times at 3000 meters and 5000 meters would have won the indoor championship in all but one year of Patriot League competition since 1991. His best time at 800 meters would have won the league in all but two years in that same period. In the mile (the Patriot League replaced the 1500 meters with the mile) and the 1000 meters, all but three years. The letter said that Coach Kavanaugh considered Tom the most successful runner at the College since Art Dulong.
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Post by Xmassader on Jul 29, 2020 23:28:40 GMT -5
Art Dulong was probably the premier athlete of the Class of 1970. Tennis players John Hughes and John Mayotte were also top notch athletes. The 1970 tennis team was headed to the NCAA regional until the event was cancelled after the Kent State shooting. May have been the last year when HC fielded an excellent tennis team.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 30, 2020 0:12:08 GMT -5
Golfer Paul Harney would have to be among the best from the minor sports.
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Post by thecrossisback on Jul 30, 2020 6:07:03 GMT -5
Golfer Paul Harney would have to be among the best from the minor sports. Harney was very good. But Willie (The Wedge) Turnesa. He won 2 US Amateurs. One of them was at Oakmont. He won 1 British Amateur at Carnoustie. (One of the toughest golf courses in the world).
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Post by alum on Jul 30, 2020 7:30:06 GMT -5
My initial gut reaction was that Dulong was going to be a lot better. It turns out that Collins holds the HC record in the 100 yard dash, an event which has not been competed in forty years. According to the HC track record list he ran 9.4 as a sophomore in 1966. Charlie Greene won the NCAA championships that year in 9.3. Greene was an Olympic medalist. I don't know about wind and weather so a comparison can only go so far. I also don't know if Collins ran that fast frequently. Collin's bio in the HC Hall of Fame is not accessible for some reason so I can't tell how he did in national championship meets, but he was obviously an extraordinary runner. Check out runner Tom Lawlor ’90, Crusader of the Year. From a letter by his class & roommate a few years ago… After graduating he competed on the international track circuit in England and Ireland in the summer of 1991. On schedule to qualify for the 1992 Olympic Trials at 5000 meters, a stress fracture ended his season that spring. The cross-country and track teams joined the Patriot League in 1991, the year after Tom’s graduation. As a point of comparison, Tom’s best times suggest that he continues to be a dominant presence in the last twenty-five years of Patriot League-level competition. His best collegiate times at 3000 meters and 5000 meters would have won the indoor championship in all but one year of Patriot League competition since 1991. His best time at 800 meters would have won the league in all but two years in that same period. In the mile (the Patriot League replaced the 1500 meters with the mile) and the 1000 meters, all but three years. The letter said that Coach Kavanaugh considered Tom the most successful runner at the College since Art Dulong. Lawlor was really good. He ran a 3:50 to win the New Englands in the 1500 in 1990. That converts to a 4:08 mile. As I recall, he was a very good runner coming out of high school but he really took off (pun intended) in college.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 30, 2020 10:02:10 GMT -5
Golfer Paul Harney would have to be among the best from the minor sports. Harney was very good. But Willie (The Wedge) Turnesa. He won 2 US Amateurs. One of them was at Oakmont. He won 1 British Amateur at Carnoustie. (One of the toughest golf courses in the world). Willie definitely has the best golf nickname. Of the seven golfing Turnesa brothers, Willie was the only one not to turn pro.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 30, 2020 12:19:23 GMT -5
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Post by Ignutz on Jul 30, 2020 13:31:14 GMT -5
I did a web search yesterday on Holy Cross great track/cross country star Art Dulong yesterday. When Art came to Detroit for a cross country meet my dad, a huge HC alumnus had to pick up Art to and from the airport for his event. Naturally, I joined my dad for his duties and got to meet Art and root him on. I had also seen Art run at the NCAA Track Indoor Championship at Cobo Arena in Detroit during the late 60's. Here is a link to a March 1969 Crusader with articles on basketball great Ed Suidut (Page 11-10), HC football players Bob Neary and Paul Scopetski trying out for the Dolphins and Browns (Page 10) and Art Dulong on Page 11. I though some of you alums might enjoy this old periodical: crossworks.holycross.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2409&context=crusaderQuestion for you guys - of HC athletes over the years who were non-baseball,non-football or non-basketball is Art Dulong the greatest athlete in HC history? I got to know Arthur a bit when he was principal at Concord-Carlisle High School. In an early chat about his running days at HC, he noted a record that he held which would never be broken - his having run the fastest mile ever run at (the since demolished) Boston Garden.
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Post by hc811215 on Jul 30, 2020 15:15:16 GMT -5
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Post by ts1970 on Jul 30, 2020 19:45:12 GMT -5
My initial gut reaction was that Dulong was going to be a lot better. It turns out that Collins holds the HC record in the 100 yard dash, an event which has not been competed in forty years. According to the HC track record list he ran 9.4 as a sophomore in 1966. Charlie Greene won the NCAA championships that year in 9.3. Greene was an Olympic medalist. I don't know about wind and weather so a comparison can only go so far. I also don't know if Collins ran that fast frequently. Collin's bio in the HC Hall of Fame is not accessible for some reason so I can't tell how he did in national championship meets, but he was obviously an extraordinary runner. Check out runner Tom Lawlor ’90, Crusader of the Year. From a letter by his class & roommate a few years ago… After graduating he competed on the international track circuit in England and Ireland in the summer of 1991. On schedule to qualify for the 1992 Olympic Trials at 5000 meters, a stress fracture ended his season that spring. The cross-country and track teams joined the Patriot League in 1991, the year after Tom’s graduation. As a point of comparison, Tom’s best times suggest that he continues to be a dominant presence in the last twenty-five years of Patriot League-level competition. His best collegiate times at 3000 meters and 5000 meters would have won the indoor championship in all but one year of Patriot League competition since 1991. His best time at 800 meters would have won the league in all but two years in that same period. In the mile (the Patriot League replaced the 1500 meters with the mile) and the 1000 meters, all but three years. The letter said that Coach Kavanaugh considered Tom the most successful runner at the College since Art Dulong. Any relation to Professor Thomas Lawlor of the English Dept., now retired I believe?
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Post by hc6774 on Jul 31, 2020 6:08:21 GMT -5
I knew that Tom Lawlor too; no relation, young Tom's dad is Jack '44
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Post by alum on Aug 5, 2020 12:07:42 GMT -5
As soon as I saw your (and sader1970's) posts about this book, I ordered it. HC got it out to me quite quickly and I breezed through it. It is a very detailed description of Art Dulong's high school, college and limited post college career. The author tracked down the results of dozens of obscure high school and college meets. I always knew that athletes of that era trained and raced a lot, but I was flabbergasted by the number of road races they ran in the summer and even between seasons--sometimes more than one in a weekend. Art also raced in multiple races in meets and sometimes multiple meets in a weekend. I guess that is the work required for his scholarship. Dulong answered a lot of questions from the author about training including his differences with his coaches about the right training regimen. He treats his teammates, coaches and opponents graciously in all of his comments. Thanks to you guys for calling my attention to this book.
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