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Post by nycrusader2010 on Aug 8, 2020 12:13:06 GMT -5
Yeah, just saw that on twitter....bad pun but it's starting to spread into the FBS conferences now....I doubt any college football is played this Fall. The P5 aren't going to follow the MAC or UCONN over the ledge...BUT once the ripple effect starts to hit the major conferences, I think you'll see a national conversation geared towards an across-the-board spring season. By that point, you might even be able to have fans in a lot of places, which would include a bowl and/or playoff system that could include butts in seats. So that will likely be the best of all worlds at both the FBS and FCS levels. The tipping point is going to be a couple of P5 schools experiencing what's happening on MLB teams right now.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Aug 8, 2020 13:35:56 GMT -5
Would be fun to have FCS be the only game in town come March/April.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Aug 8, 2020 13:44:06 GMT -5
Would be fun to have FCS be the only game in town come March/April. Well, FCS + the MAC and UCONN. Maybe UCONN can play in the PL.
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Post by hcpride on Aug 8, 2020 13:55:24 GMT -5
Yeah, just saw that on twitter....bad pun but it's starting to spread into the FBS conferences now....I doubt any college football is played this Fall. I don't know '87. I have a feeling the big football conferences are reassured by the growing body of data and science regarding college age athletes, Covid-19, and outcomes. (Remember, we are talking about a group of schools that look routinely at a whole host of very very serious health/injury issues, risks, and football.)
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Post by hcpride on Aug 8, 2020 13:57:06 GMT -5
Would be fun to have FCS be the only game in town come March/April. Well, FCS + the MAC and UCONN. Maybe UCONN can play in the PL. I was thinking UCONN might try to sneak in the CAA this spring - where they belong.
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Post by CHC8485 on Aug 8, 2020 15:40:02 GMT -5
Yeah, just saw that on twitter....bad pun but it's starting to spread into the FBS conferences now....I doubt any college football is played this Fall. I don't know '87. I have a feeling the big football conferences are reassured by the growing body of data and science regarding college age athletes, Covid-19, and outcomes. (Remember, we are talking about a group of schools that look routinely at a whole host of very very serious health/injury issues, risks, and football.) I'm not a trained epidemiologist or medical researcher but I am a trained scientist and I know how science works. Can we stop saying we know anything about outcomes with this virus? What are we 8 - 10 months since the virus was first seen in humans? There's a decent short term prognosis for any group of young healthy people who become infected. What's the outcome 12 months after infection? How about 5 years? or 25 years? Look-up Post Polio Syndrome which is estimated to impact 25% - 40% of polio survivors. It shows up 15+ years after recovery and manifests as new muscle weakness and muscle atrophy among other things. And to be clear, I don't want to use this as a springboard to a policy discussion, but the bottom line is - nobody knows the long term effects of infection.and assuming that an infected asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic 20 year old who "recovers" will be fine, may well result in the usual outcome when you assume.
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Post by bfoley82 on Aug 8, 2020 15:43:52 GMT -5
MAC is dun. Might play in the spring. That cancels BC's supposed opener. Umass could slide in there as they lost a game too
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Post by bfoley82 on Aug 8, 2020 15:45:59 GMT -5
I don't know '87. I have a feeling the big football conferences are reassured by the growing body of data and science regarding college age athletes, Covid-19, and outcomes. (Remember, we are talking about a group of schools that look routinely at a whole host of very very serious health/injury issues, risks, and football.) I'm not a trained epidemiologist or medical researcher but I am a trained scientist and I know how science works. Can we stop saying we know anything about outcomes with this virus? What are we 8 - 10 months since the virus was first seen in humans? There's a decent short term prognosis for any group of young healthy people who become infected. What's the outcome 12 months after infection? How about 5 years? or 25 years? Look-up Post Polio Syndrome which is estimated to impact 25% - 40% of polio survivors. It shows up 15+ years after recovery and manifests as new muscle weakness and muscle atrophy among other things. And to be clear, I don't want to use this as a springboard to a policy discussion, but the bottom line is - nobody knows the long term effects of infection.and assuming that an infected asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic 20 year old who "recovers" will be fine, may well result in the usual outcome when you assume. Eduardo Rodriguez is one example of an athlete in his prime that has been sidelined with a major health issue. Only a few years older than a college senior.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Aug 9, 2020 6:39:31 GMT -5
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Post by cmo on Aug 9, 2020 8:59:22 GMT -5
“What I can tell you is that not only are we are just as eager to face Navy’s football team in Philadelphia, we intend to maximize the Patriot League exception to compete against Navy in every sport we can this year,” Greg Mogavero, West Point’s associate athletic director for strategic communications, told Military Times.
Thanks to the Patriot League, other academy sports will be allowed to compete.
“We are very fortunate that the Patriot League recognized the unique ethos and role intercollegiate competition plays in the broader missions of both Army and Navy in our mission to educate and train officers to serve in the U.S. armed forces and has excepted our institutions from their ruling allowing us to compete,” Mogavero said.
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Post by timholycross on Aug 9, 2020 10:20:28 GMT -5
Maybe Army Navy Air Force will be a home-and-home-and-home-and-home round robin this year. Gives each school 8 games.
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Post by rickii on Aug 9, 2020 12:33:41 GMT -5
“What I can tell you is that not only are we are just as eager to face Navy’s football team in Philadelphia, we intend to maximize the Patriot League exception to compete against Navy in every sport we can this year,” Greg Mogavero, West Point’s associate athletic director for strategic communications, told Military Times. Thanks to the Patriot League, other academy sports will be allowed to compete. “We are very fortunate that the Patriot League recognized the unique ethos and role intercollegiate competition plays in the broader missions of both Army and Navy in our mission to educate and train officers to serve in the U.S. armed forces and has excepted our institutions from their ruling allowing us to compete,” Mogavero said. Yea like the PL is ever going to tell Army or Navy what they can or can’t do....
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Aug 9, 2020 14:30:45 GMT -5
I think the point of the PL exemption had absolutely nothing to do with football. The PL knows that it can't tell the service academies what to do when it comes to a sport they play at a different level.
I believe the point was to allow Army and Navy to have the "star competitions" in minor sports, which would've been originally scheduled as Patriot League contests. Like the Men's and Women's soccer games and cross country meets, and women's volleyball game for example. Pretty sure an Army-Navy game will be played in every sport, even if it's the only intercollegiate game those teams play.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 9, 2020 16:38:18 GMT -5
I have no problem with this exception and if the pandemic continues into the winter and BU wants an exception to play hockey the answer is yes as far as I am concerned. I hesitate to mention another thought because it is just a musing and I doubt the request for a PL exception would ever be made by HC, but if the HC football staff has a good safety record in their regular conditioning/practice(?) sessions this fall and UMass and BC have a good safety record playing games and if they each need to fill open dates in October or November...would the PL consider an exception for HC to play two local games? I got the impression that the football staff plans on giving the same dedication to training this fall as they have the last couple of years, but I don't have a full understanding of exactly what the football team will be doing during this non-season.
Again, I doubt this will even be considered for many good reasons but I am hoping teams that do play this fall have a good experience with their safety protocols and if they do it will be interesting to see if thinking adjusts. Colleges will have an opportunity to create more of a bubble than MLB has chosen to do.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Aug 9, 2020 16:45:55 GMT -5
I have no problem with this exception and if the pandemic continues into the winter and BU wants an exception to play hockey the answer is yes as far as I am concerned. I hesitate to mention another thought because it is just a musing and I doubt the request for a PL exception would ever be made by HC, but if the HC football staff has a good safety record in their regular conditioning/practice(?) sessions this fall and UMass and BC have a good safety record playing games and if they each need to fill open dates in October or November...would the PL consider an exception for HC to play two local games? I got the impression that the football staff plans on giving the same dedication to training this fall as they have the last couple of years, but I don't have a full understanding of exactly what the football team will be doing during this non-season. Again, I doubt this will even be considered for many good reasons but I am hoping teams that do play this fall have a good experience with their safety protocols and if they do it will be interesting to see if thinking adjusts. Colleges will have an opportunity to create more of a bubble than MLB has chosen to do. BU doesn't play hockey in the PL so they wouldn't need permission from the Lehigh Valley Authority in order to compete in Hockey East.
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 9, 2020 17:08:09 GMT -5
Why would BU not being in the PL for hockey be any different than Army and Navy not being in the PL for football?
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Post by bfoley82 on Aug 9, 2020 17:51:01 GMT -5
I have no problem with this exception and if the pandemic continues into the winter and BU wants an exception to play hockey the answer is yes as far as I am concerned. I hesitate to mention another thought because it is just a musing and I doubt the request for a PL exception would ever be made by HC, but if the HC football staff has a good safety record in their regular conditioning/practice(?) sessions this fall and UMass and BC have a good safety record playing games and if they each need to fill open dates in October or November...would the PL consider an exception for HC to play two local games? I got the impression that the football staff plans on giving the same dedication to training this fall as they have the last couple of years, but I don't have a full understanding of exactly what the football team will be doing during this non-season. Again, I doubt this will even be considered for many good reasons but I am hoping teams that do play this fall have a good experience with their safety protocols and if they do it will be interesting to see if thinking adjusts. Colleges will have an opportunity to create more of a bubble than MLB has chosen to do. Why wouldn't you just use Holy Cross women's hockey as the example instead of BU? They are also in Hockey East.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 9, 2020 18:14:41 GMT -5
Why would BU not being in the PL for hockey be any different than Army and Navy not being in the PL for football? No difference but the Academies still sought and received an exception...although that might have been for the minor sports that they play in the PL and the football programs were never a concern for the PL.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 9, 2020 18:18:05 GMT -5
I have no problem with this exception and if the pandemic continues into the winter and BU wants an exception to play hockey the answer is yes as far as I am concerned. I hesitate to mention another thought because it is just a musing and I doubt the request for a PL exception would ever be made by HC, but if the HC football staff has a good safety record in their regular conditioning/practice(?) sessions this fall and UMass and BC have a good safety record playing games and if they each need to fill open dates in October or November...would the PL consider an exception for HC to play two local games? I got the impression that the football staff plans on giving the same dedication to training this fall as they have the last couple of years, but I don't have a full understanding of exactly what the football team will be doing during this non-season. Again, I doubt this will even be considered for many good reasons but I am hoping teams that do play this fall have a good experience with their safety protocols and if they do it will be interesting to see if thinking adjusts. Colleges will have an opportunity to create more of a bubble than MLB has chosen to do. Why wouldn't you just use Holy Cross women's hockey as the example instead of BU? They are also in Hockey East. As an old Male Chauvinist I didn't think of that until after I posted.
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Post by cmo on Aug 9, 2020 21:00:07 GMT -5
Will there be a Turnpike Trophy exemption ? 😃
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Aug 9, 2020 21:06:58 GMT -5
Why would BU not being in the PL for hockey be any different than Army and Navy not being in the PL for football? No difference but the Academies still sought and received an exception...although that might have been for the minor sports that they play in the PL and the football programs were never a concern for the PL. Exactly. The exemptions are basically to allow Army and Navy to play each other in minor sports.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Aug 10, 2020 9:26:03 GMT -5
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Post by timholycross on Aug 10, 2020 9:41:57 GMT -5
The current thinking seems to be the people running college football want to shut it down while the players want to play. Exactly the opposite of what it was a few days ago. Why? In my opinion, because the schools know they're liable if something goes wrong.
(edit)- The shutdown's started.
If that happens, then unless the NFL's attempt to play is on the whole, successful; I wouldn't even dangle out the prospect of playing in the spring unless there is a vaccine or a solid therapeutic. The moving of the goal line is as injurious, in my mind, as the actual cancellations.
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Post by hchoops on Aug 10, 2020 11:06:26 GMT -5
PAC 12 follows the Big 10 in canceling the season
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Post by cmo on Aug 10, 2020 11:20:30 GMT -5
I thought Trevor Lawrence made great points about them being safer on campus and playing in a controlled environment.
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