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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 24, 2020 9:26:22 GMT -5
His other four offers were all FBS: Central Michigan, Charlotte, Liberty, Troy, which should be full rides. No clues from his Twitter feed, other than his high school team is playing fall football, so perhaps new interest from elsewhere. Why would you assume they were fulls? A kid like Helms is a PWO at Clemson. FBS schools do not give partials, although some years ago in looking at scholarships by sport for several MAC members in the NCAA Revenue and Expenses reports, these particular schools did not fill the full 85 allowed. IIRC, the number of participants with scollies were in the low-mid 70s. Helms' heart was set on Clemson. And when other QBs higher on the depth chart opted for elsewhere given TL's intention of staying at Clemson, the depth chart opened up, and he jumped and is now the #3 or #4 QB, ----or, after reading the article below, even #2 today against Syracuse. clemsonsportstalk.com/s/6133/hunter-helms-a-house-divided-but-a-heart-for-clemson^^^ HC is mentioned.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Oct 24, 2020 12:35:18 GMT -5
Why would you assume they were fulls? A kid like Helms is a PWO at Clemson. FBS schools do not give partials, although some years ago in looking at scholarships by sport for several MAC members in the NCAA Revenue and Expenses reports, these particular schools did not fill the full 85 allowed. IIRC, the number of participants with scollies were in the low-mid 70s. Helms' heart was set on Clemson. And when other QBs higher on the depth chart opted for elsewhere given TL's intention of staying at Clemson, the depth chart opened up, and he jumped and is now the #3 or #4 QB, ----or, after reading the article below, even #2 today against Syracuse. clemsonsportstalk.com/s/6133/hunter-helms-a-house-divided-but-a-heart-for-clemson^^^ HC is mentioned. Oh I’m well aware of the factors that led to Helms decision, I’m just saying your assertion that Jacobs had full offers at those schools isn’t necessarily true.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 1, 2020 14:04:00 GMT -5
#13 Jake Jarmolovich Free safety NJ
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Post by purple1 on Nov 2, 2020 14:20:07 GMT -5
Big time playmaker who will cover a lot of ground. New Jersey recruits are starting to fill up the Holy Cross roster. Keep it going ......congrats !!
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 2, 2020 14:47:48 GMT -5
Big time playmaker who will cover a lot of ground. New Jersey recruits are starting to fill up the Holy Cross roster. Keep it going ......congrats !! For comparison--rostered players from New Jersey 2012= 12 New Jersey players 2016= 6 2020= 15
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 2, 2020 20:51:43 GMT -5
Looks good to this Jersey boy!
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 3, 2020 11:36:44 GMT -5
Understanding some folks having pride in the Garden State, educate me on what basis is NJ high school football superior to other states that come to mind like PA, OH, FL, TX?
Not being my usual wise guy self, I really don't know.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 3, 2020 11:51:50 GMT -5
Understanding some folks having pride in the Garden State, educate me on what basis is NJ high school football superior to other states that come to mind like PA, OH, FL, TX? Not being my usual wise guy self, I really don't know. The "Big North" Conference is made up of regional Catholic high schools. They always had good teams, but many were local parochial schools of the old "Tri-County Catholic Conference" and some of those schools no longer exist (St Cecilia's in Englewood, Pope Pius in Passaic, Queen of Peace in North Arlington, St. Joseph of WNY, St Luke's in Ho Ho Kus). The regionals now rule the roost. They draw players from several countries. The sports coupled with good academics and alumni playing for many top D-1 college teams have increased interest in athletes who want to attend. However, it was the start of games against teams from other regions (often televised) that boosted the quality and reputation of these teams into orbit. There are a few good public (regional) high schools that can complete with them, but ghat varies from, year to year. The schools have invested money from, those long distance travel games into facilities. The latest is Crusader Stadium at Bergen Catholic in Oradell, NJ. They do not have any 5 year players and are authentic academic institutions whose graduates have shown them can compete at the highest levels in college. Ironically, it was the public schools who helped to create this athletic juggernaut. They wanted to exclude parochial schools for decades. That was why these parochial schools started to play sao many out of state games. A court case finally forced the public school leagues to accept parochial members. However, the leagues them divided into sub-divisions and (coincidentally) the parochial all seemed to end up in the same division. Some ADs are so desperate to avoid playing parochial that they sued to - as they said it - ro/p games against parochial schools to avoid their players being hurt by the superior athletes attending gthe parochial schools. "We don't want to play you because we are afraid of you." That is hardly a slogan on which to build a major program, Most of these schools prefer to be big fish in a small pond to actually playing against top talent.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 3, 2020 15:55:06 GMT -5
Understanding some folks having pride in the Garden State, educate me on what basis is NJ high school football superior to other states that come to mind like PA, OH, FL, TX? Not being my usual wise guy self, I really don't know. I think it's more a matter of New Jersey HS football being superior to that of NY, CT, MA and other Northeast states. PA may be an outlier in the Northeast (is Western PA Midwest?) and OH, FL, TX are not part of the comparison pool in this non-expert's analysis. For example, one site has New Jersey with 8 Blue Chip recruits in 2020 while New York has 1, even though NY has higher population. I like the measure of "D-1 players per capita" and am looking for that. I believe I presented such data on our board before, likely when we were discussing the strength/weakness of Massachusetts HS football for the umpteenth time, but don't have it right at hand
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 3, 2020 16:03:02 GMT -5
Okay--one more look at "Blue Chip Recruits", while suggesting that "Total D-1 Recruits" would be a better measure
5 year period- 2015 to 2019
37= New Jersey 8= Connecticut 6= New York 2= Massachusetts
Here are the traditional football hotbeds referenced earlier
249= Florida 238= Texas 70= Ohio 43= Pennsylvania
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 3, 2020 16:21:57 GMT -5
KY, you have too much time on your hands and need to get a hobby. Oh, wait, you have a hobby - here.🙄
But wherever you pulled those stats from, it seems to show that while NJ may be good for the region, the better places to recruit are the states I suggested.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 3, 2020 16:26:35 GMT -5
Texas and Pennsylvania have always been hotbeds for recruits. However, given the smaller number of teams and fewer high school redshirts NJ does pretty well sending kids to top programs. (Texas, for example, is notorious for holding kids back a year in elementary school to have then graduate from high school a year older than they would be normally.) Trying to say which is better with any state vs state comparison may be an exercise in futility.
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Post by HC92 on Nov 3, 2020 19:36:35 GMT -5
I enjoy hearing about states where high school football is still a thing. Definitely not so here in CT outside of a handful of towns.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 4, 2020 10:18:27 GMT -5
KY, you have too much time on your hands and need to get a hobby. Oh, wait, you have a hobby - here.🙄 But wherever you pulled those stats from, it seems to show that while NJ may be good for the region, the better places to recruit are the states I suggested. Other factors come into play--the size of the state is important because the per capita is more important than the raw number. More snowmobiles are sold in California than in North Dakota but I'd rather have a snowmobile store in Fargo than in LA. Another key factor is the varying appeal of HC in the different markets, i.e. it may be easier to entice a kid from a NJ Catholic HS to travel a short way to HC than it is to land a kid from Odessa West High School in Texas.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 4, 2020 10:28:02 GMT -5
That last point is a good one and after many years drawing good recruits from that market, HC was shown little interest for some years while the numbers going from NJ to Power 5 conferences went up. It is good to see HC in the mix once again in NJ, especially in the Big North Super Conference.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 4, 2020 11:44:04 GMT -5
+JMJ+, KY, you are starting to sound like Phreek with his "endowment dollars per student" stuff! I have nothing against NJ (have a number of relatives residing there) other than their fetish with traffic jughandles and the gall to call their state the "Garden State" (Newark, Trenton anyone?). And, yes, I'm just kidding because there are indeed lovely places in Jersey. Living in RI, they also have the gall to call it the "Ocean State" when there are at least a half dozen states better qualified to be called that. Someone said that RI should be the "Bay State" since Narragansett Bay predominates and Mass should be called the "Ocean State" with the Cape and the islands. Whatever, I digress. I'll take total numbers over a per capita when it comes to recruiting. My real point, however, is there are great athletes anywhere . . . . even in Rhode Island.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 4, 2020 11:55:42 GMT -5
So we'll award you that snowmobile franchise in California. Good luck!
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 4, 2020 12:00:25 GMT -5
Nah, I lived in the Syracuse area for 9 long winters. Average snowfall: 120" annually. Syracuse has the dubious distinction of more snow than any other city in the U.S. I guarantee you they have more snowmobiles than either California or any Dakotas per capita. FWIW, the topography is flat so cross country skiing is more popular than downhill in the Salt City area. (No, I don't want a skiing franchise either).
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Post by hc87 on Nov 4, 2020 19:12:35 GMT -5
Little Rhody has some of the best beaches on the East Coast imo...not known for football (notable exceptions being Bullet Bill, Mark van Eeghan etc)...there is a kid who plays D-Line for Michigan who went to Hendricken...
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 4, 2020 19:46:33 GMT -5
Little Rhody has some of the best beaches on the East Coast imo...not known for football (notable exceptions being Bullet Bill, Mark van Eeghan etc)...there is a kid who plays D-Line for Michigan who went to Hendricken... I owned a cottage on Hog Island in Narragansett Bay in the 1980s. The other nearby islands had beautiful names such as Hope, Prudence and Patience Islands, but I was on Hog - supposedly named because that is where the hogs were quarantined in Colonial days. Who knew that 400 years later we would all be quarantined, too. The reason why I think Ocean State is an appropriate moniker is because when driving down to the Ferry Dock in Bristol you would pass everyday houses such as Capes, Splits and Ranches occupied by ordinary working families and the backyards would back up to salt water. There was so much coastline on the Bay that waterfront property appeared to be discounted in a way it wasn't elsewhere. Whether those properties now sell for a premium, I don't know.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 4, 2020 20:37:48 GMT -5
Uh, the "Bay" is not the ocean. Last weekend drove all the way to the east bay, Bristol, for a nice walk at Colt State Park. As for beaches, sorry, I'm from Long Island originally, and there are no beaches in RI as good as the beaches on LI and Fire Island off LI. Just my opinion, of course. Probably most famous location in RI, other than Providence, is Newport where JFK and Jackie got married and where the America's Cup races used to be based. But even Newport is on the bay. FWIW, my wife really likes Newport (2nd to Nantucket), but not for the beaches and more for the "small town" feel and little shops very similar to Port Jefferson on the north shore of LI. So, if my wife really likes Newport and Nantucket, then I love them!
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 4, 2020 22:20:49 GMT -5
Newport, Nantucket, she has good taste.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 5, 2020 6:02:01 GMT -5
Last digression: I take pictures of lighthouses around the world when I traveled and more closer to home. The one above is the Goat Island lighthouse across from Newport with the Newport (Pell) bridge in the background.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 5, 2020 7:58:20 GMT -5
Uh, the "Bay" is not the ocean. Last weekend drove all the way to the east bay, Bristol, for a nice walk at Colt State Park. As for beaches, sorry, I'm from Long Island originally, and there are no beaches in RI as good as the beaches on LI and Fire Island off LI. Just my opinion, of course. View Attachment Do not forget Montauk and the Hamptons’ beaches
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 5, 2020 8:13:04 GMT -5
Too far out, hoops! Besides, that's Billy Joel country (well, Christie Brinkley, anyway) in the Hamptons. Montauk is "Jaws" territory. Go to the North fork and you are in wine country formerly Long Island potatoes but that might have been before you migrated from Brooklyn. But you did indirectly bring up a good point. Long Island sandy beaches are best on the south shore with the ocean. North shore is on the LI Sound and beaches generally more rocky and no better than Connecticut without the pounding surf!!
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