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Post by WCHC Sports on Aug 25, 2020 9:42:00 GMT -5
TNG all the way.
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 25, 2020 11:02:06 GMT -5
You are spot on with that and with my guys' opinion of "public pretenders."
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 25, 2020 11:43:52 GMT -5
There's another concept specific to sports. I'll call it the "Bill Belichick/Ernie Adams Phenomenon". When Bill arrived at Andover Academy for his PG year before Wesleyan, a fellow student, Ernie Adams, asked him if he was related to Steve Belichick, author of "Football Scouting Methods".
Bill was flabbergasted because only a handful of his father's book had ever been sold. Turns out Bill and Ernie are both lifetime football analytics savants and are still at the top of football analysis fifty years later.
Neither one had close to the size and talent necessary for playing in the NFL, yet they are experts in the game and no former player has matched their success as a coach and GM (Bill) and Director of Research (Ernie).
So, to me the push to have the coaching and front office staff in the NFL represent a similar demographic breakdown as the players is interesting because the legitimate applicant pool for coaching and Administration positions is so much broader than the pool of legitimate applicants for playing positions.
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Post by Tom on Aug 25, 2020 12:40:14 GMT -5
For what it's worth, my comment was not about public defenders, but about how money can tip the scales of justice
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 25, 2020 12:41:02 GMT -5
What they disliked most was (1) not being listened to and (2) being pressured to take a plea deal - even when they believed they were not guilty.
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Post by bfoley82 on Aug 25, 2020 12:52:09 GMT -5
There's another concept specific to sports. I'll call it the "Bill Belichick/Ernie Adams Phenomenon". When Bill arrived at Andover Academy for his PG year before Wesleyan, a fellow student, Ernie Adams, asked him if he was related to Steve Belichick, author of "Football Scouting Methods". Bill was flabbergasted because only a handful of his father's book had ever been sold. Turns out Bill and Ernie are both lifetime football analytics savants and are still at the top of football analysis fifty years later. Neither one had close to the size and talent necessary for playing in the NFL, yet they are experts in the game and no former player has matched their success as a coach and GM (Bill) and Director of Research (Ernie). So, to me the push to have the coaching and front office staff in the NFL represent a similar demographic breakdown as the players is interesting because the legitimate applicant pool for coaching and Administration positions is so much broader than the pool of legitimate applicants for playing positions. The NFL was 68 percent African American in 2014 and is now is at 70 percent. You would think the coaching staff's in college/NFL would get closer to that 68 percent number since former players usually coach. Out of 11 coaches on the Holy Cross football staff, there are two African-Americans. This isn't just a "Holy Cross" problem as Boston College has four out of 12 football coaches plus three support staff that are African-Americans. They also have two female support staffers and a hispanic assistant video coordinator. UNH on the other hand has one African-American football coach out of 12. Those numbers are way too low.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 25, 2020 13:01:52 GMT -5
There's another concept specific to sports. I'll call it the "Bill Belichick/Ernie Adams Phenomenon". When Bill arrived at Andover Academy for his PG year before Wesleyan, a fellow student, Ernie Adams, asked him if he was related to Steve Belichick, author of "Football Scouting Methods". Bill was flabbergasted because only a handful of his father's book had ever been sold. Turns out Bill and Ernie are both lifetime football analytics savants and are still at the top of football analysis fifty years later. Neither one had close to the size and talent necessary for playing in the NFL, yet they are experts in the game and no former player has matched their success as a coach and GM (Bill) and Director of Research (Ernie). So, to me the push to have the coaching and front office staff in the NFL represent a similar demographic breakdown as the players is interesting because the legitimate applicant pool for coaching and Administration positions is so much broader than the pool of legitimate applicants for playing positions. The NFL was 68 percent African American in 2014 and is now is at 70 percent. You would think the coaching staff's in college/NFL would get closer to that 68 percent number since former players usually coach. Out of 11 coaches on the Holy Cross football staff, there are two African-Americans. This isn't just a "Holy Cross" problem as Boston College has four out of 12 football coaches plus three support staff that are African-Americans. They also have two female support staffers and a hispanic assistant video coordinator. UNH on the other hand has one African-American football coach out of 12. Those numbers are way too low. If the New England Association of Sports Photographers (Mythical Association but if there is a similar actual one I am glad for you because of the camraderie and mutual support) asked you to chair a committee to double the amount of Minority Sports Photographers in the six state region, what would be your thoughts about how to do it? It would be a harder task because of the entrprenurial nature of the industry as opposed to coaching, but maybe you could get a grant to perform outreach...which isn't a bad idea in reality. Getting grant $$$ I mean.🙂
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Aug 25, 2020 13:13:58 GMT -5
It's news to me that Holy Cross has a problem with how Bob Chesney has pieced together his coaching staff.
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Post by timholycross on Aug 25, 2020 14:02:25 GMT -5
It's news to me that Holy Cross has a problem with how Bob Chesney has pieced together his coaching staff. There's a wee, wee bit of irony to your post given how much flak OC Murphy has received in his tenure on Mt. St. James. Well, I guess we can say there's no racism behind the criticism.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 25, 2020 14:58:29 GMT -5
There's another concept specific to sports. I'll call it the "Bill Belichick/Ernie Adams Phenomenon". When Bill arrived at Andover Academy for his PG year before Wesleyan, a fellow student, Ernie Adams, asked him if he was related to Steve Belichick, author of "Football Scouting Methods". Bill was flabbergasted because only a handful of his father's book had ever been sold. Turns out Bill and Ernie are both lifetime football analytics savants and are still at the top of football analysis fifty years later. Neither one had close to the size and talent necessary for playing in the NFL, yet they are experts in the game and no former player has matched their success as a coach and GM (Bill) and Director of Research (Ernie). So, to me the push to have the coaching and front office staff in the NFL represent a similar demographic breakdown as the players is interesting because the legitimate applicant pool for coaching and Administration positions is so much broader than the pool of legitimate applicants for playing positions. The NFL was 68 percent African American in 2014 and is now is at 70 percent. You would think the coaching staff's in college/NFL would get closer to that 68 percent number since former players usually coach. Out of 11 coaches on the Holy Cross football staff, there are two African-Americans. This isn't just a "Holy Cross" problem as Boston College has four out of 12 football coaches plus three support staff that are African-Americans. They also have two female support staffers and a hispanic assistant video coordinator. UNH on the other hand has one African-American football coach out of 12. Those numbers are way too low. I think there is a flaw in your logic. If we accept that "former players usually coach", should we limit that to former NFL players? Among all the coaches in college, how many played in the NFL? Wouldn't the better base be former college players? Is that base 70% African-American? I would guess not. Bob Chesney, for example, did not play in the NFL. But he did play D-3 football and perhaps in doing so built a good foundation of the college football game, applicable to any level of college. Just out of curiosity, I wonder when the last time an NFL Alum was the head coach of a national championship football team D-1, D-2, or D-3. Not a bad trivia question
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 25, 2020 15:01:32 GMT -5
Maybe Steve Spurrier with Florida?
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 25, 2020 18:12:45 GMT -5
It's news to me that Holy Cross has a problem with how Bob Chesney has pieced together his coaching staff. There's a wee, wee bit of irony to your post given how much flak OC Murphy has received in his tenure on Mt. St. James. Well, I guess we can say there's no racism behind the criticism. I am an equal opportunity critic myself.😊
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Post by bison137 on Aug 25, 2020 19:46:18 GMT -5
There's another concept specific to sports. I'll call it the "Bill Belichick/Ernie Adams Phenomenon". When Bill arrived at Andover Academy for his PG year before Wesleyan, a fellow student, Ernie Adams, asked him if he was related to Steve Belichick, author of "Football Scouting Methods". Bill was flabbergasted because only a handful of his father's book had ever been sold. Turns out Bill and Ernie are both lifetime football analytics savants and are still at the top of football analysis fifty years later. Neither one had close to the size and talent necessary for playing in the NFL, yet they are experts in the game and no former player has matched their success as a coach and GM (Bill) and Director of Research (Ernie). So, to me the push to have the coaching and front office staff in the NFL represent a similar demographic breakdown as the players is interesting because the legitimate applicant pool for coaching and Administration positions is so much broader than the pool of legitimate applicants for playing positions. The NFL was 68 percent African American in 2014 and is now is at 70 percent. You would think the coaching staff's in college/NFL would get closer to that 68 percent number since former players usually coach. Out of 11 coaches on the Holy Cross football staff, there are two African-Americans. This isn't just a "Holy Cross" problem as Boston College has four out of 12 football coaches plus three support staff that are African-Americans. They also have two female support staffers and a hispanic assistant video coordinator. UNH on the other hand has one African-American football coach out of 12. Those numbers are way too low. I don't think you'd expect that at all in the NFL since many coaches come from the college ranks and did not play in the league. Just having NFL ability doesn't make one a better coach. And many of the top NFL players have no desire to coach because they are already wealthy. As for college coaches, the majority of college players are Caucasian and there is no reason to not expect the majority of coaches to also be so. Yes, there should be more African-American coaches in a number of schools - but simply looking at the racial makeup of NFL or players at schools like Alabama is misleading.
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Post by bfoley82 on Aug 26, 2020 1:16:07 GMT -5
The NFL was 68 percent African American in 2014 and is now is at 70 percent. You would think the coaching staff's in college/NFL would get closer to that 68 percent number since former players usually coach. Out of 11 coaches on the Holy Cross football staff, there are two African-Americans. This isn't just a "Holy Cross" problem as Boston College has four out of 12 football coaches plus three support staff that are African-Americans. They also have two female support staffers and a hispanic assistant video coordinator. UNH on the other hand has one African-American football coach out of 12. Those numbers are way too low. I don't think you'd expect that at all in the NFL since many coaches come from the college ranks and did not play in the league. Just having NFL ability doesn't make one a better coach. And many of the top NFL players have no desire to coach because they are already wealthy. As for college coaches, the majority of college players are Caucasian and there is no reason to not expect the majority of coaches to also be so. Yes, there should be more African-American coaches in a number of schools - but simply looking at the racial makeup of NFL or players at schools like Alabama is misleading. The NCAA diversity report was released in March. Please read up on some of the figures as the only level that has more white players is D-3. FBS, FCS, and D-2 all have more African-American players. www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/diversity-research
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Post by bfoley82 on Aug 26, 2020 1:23:19 GMT -5
The NFL was 68 percent African American in 2014 and is now is at 70 percent. You would think the coaching staff's in college/NFL would get closer to that 68 percent number since former players usually coach. Out of 11 coaches on the Holy Cross football staff, there are two African-Americans. This isn't just a "Holy Cross" problem as Boston College has four out of 12 football coaches plus three support staff that are African-Americans. They also have two female support staffers and a hispanic assistant video coordinator. UNH on the other hand has one African-American football coach out of 12. Those numbers are way too low. If the New England Association of Sports Photographers (Mythical Association but if there is a similar actual one I am glad for you because of the camraderie and mutual support) asked you to chair a committee to double the amount of Minority Sports Photographers in the six state region, what would be your thoughts about how to do it? It would be a harder task because of the entrprenurial nature of the industry as opposed to coaching, but maybe you could get a grant to perform outreach...which isn't a bad idea in reality. Getting grant $$$ I mean.🙂 You do recognize that there is a shortage of minority and especially female sports photographers right? Sony is currently giving grants to these female photographers like here. fstoppers.com/business/sony-calling-female-photographers-apply-alpha-female-plus-grant-program-506805Also with the BLM movement, there are several companies doing the same for that demographic.
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 26, 2020 6:55:20 GMT -5
There was a review session held at Rutgers University before the bar exam. My colleague's daughter (a most diligent student) went to the session. She was told she would have to leave because this session was for "black students only." No white students were allowed to attend. There had been no such information about that restriction on the many announcements of this session. Guess some critics could call this "Black Privilege." It seemed a bit racist because of the underlying belief that students of color needed a review while Caucasian students did not.
(PS: She did pass the bar and has now been a practicing attorney for years.)
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 26, 2020 7:20:24 GMT -5
If the New England Association of Sports Photographers (Mythical Association but if there is a similar actual one I am glad for you because of the camraderie and mutual support) asked you to chair a committee to double the amount of Minority Sports Photographers in the six state region, what would be your thoughts about how to do it? It would be a harder task because of the entrprenurial nature of the industry as opposed to coaching, but maybe you could get a grant to perform outreach...which isn't a bad idea in reality. Getting grant $$$ I mean.🙂 You do recognize that there is a shortage of minority and especially female sports photographers right? Sony is currently giving grants to these female photographers like here. fstoppers.com/business/sony-calling-female-photographers-apply-alpha-female-plus-grant-program-506805Also with the BLM movement, there are several companies doing the same for that demographic. I assumed that anything connected to sports would have a male/female imbalance. This $5000 grant plus camera plus tutelage will be effective but naturally I feel for a male trying to get started on an uneven playing field. Interestingly, as a white male if I was trying to break into an industry I might apply for a grant program designed for females only and make the sponsor discriminate against me by rejecting me based on gender, but I would never do that for a grant program restricted to African Americans. Why? Because to my core I know with certitude that Blacks have been screwed by the system for 400 years and young persons, on average, still start out a step behind. But as far as females in 2020, I'm not so sure about it, it might be more that today there are less females in a particular field but white females don't have a stark disadvantage in family income, quality of schools, neighborhood they come from, etc. than white males.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Aug 26, 2020 8:01:19 GMT -5
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 26, 2020 8:50:54 GMT -5
Actually, since I was interested and taught sociology, she told me directly and showed me one of the flyers. It was not a black study group. It had been widely advertised all over the New Brunswick campus. She was not trying to make a point and showed up, in good faith, to participate. She was shocked when she was told she would have to leave. 1. No one ever said she did not have the ability to study for the bar - except for you, that is. 2. No one ever tried or thought to try a legal route. Why would you think lawsuit ? 3. There is “evidence” beyond simple hearsay but you seem certain there is not. Apparently you do not care about facts...only trying to make a point.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 26, 2020 8:55:27 GMT -5
I can see the Black Students Union hosting a family reception after graduation and if a few white students, parents or Professors stop by to congratulate a student and family they know, everyone is happy to see them. But a Black only graduation defeats the whole purpose of all the effort to integrate colleges and the rest of society.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Aug 26, 2020 9:19:15 GMT -5
If the New England Association of Sports Photographers (Mythical Association but if there is a similar actual one I am glad for you because of the camraderie and mutual support) asked you to chair a committee to double the amount of Minority Sports Photographers in the six state region, what would be your thoughts about how to do it? It would be a harder task because of the entrprenurial nature of the industry as opposed to coaching, but maybe you could get a grant to perform outreach...which isn't a bad idea in reality. Getting grant $$$ I mean.🙂 Also with the BLM movement, there are several companies doing the same for that demographic. Let's leave politics out of this.
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Post by bfoley82 on Aug 26, 2020 10:21:08 GMT -5
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Post by newfieguy74 on Aug 26, 2020 11:33:57 GMT -5
If MLK is rolling over in his grave it's because of the persistent racism in this country. I have not spoken with, listened to, or read a single black person who does not recount daily instances of either overt racism or microaggressions.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Aug 26, 2020 11:40:10 GMT -5
Honorable Dean - keep an eye on this thread please.
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Post by timholycross on Aug 26, 2020 11:59:57 GMT -5
I've wagered the Dean will terminate this one at some point.
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