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Post by hchoops on Aug 24, 2020 14:34:56 GMT -5
Football may practice only no volleyball(indoor)
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Post by hcpride on Aug 25, 2020 8:02:02 GMT -5
If it is OK for large numbers of NYS high school kids to be inside one school building [without social distancing] for seven hours daily any science-based arguments against (outdoor) cross-country and soccer (for example) become unsustainable. Not to mention the fact that club sports have been doing quite well (on LI) for over the last month or two here.
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Post by hchoops on Aug 25, 2020 8:13:15 GMT -5
If it is OK for large numbers of NYS high school kids to be inside one school building [without social distancing] for seven hours daily any science-based arguments against (outdoor) cross-country and soccer (for example) become unsustainable. Not to mention the fact that club sports have been doing quite well (on LI) for over the last month or two here. Confusing soccer and cross country are allowed
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Post by hcpride on Aug 25, 2020 8:44:04 GMT -5
If it is OK for large numbers of NYS high school kids to be inside one school building [without social distancing] for seven hours daily any science-based arguments against (outdoor) cross-country and soccer (for example) become unsustainable. Not to mention the fact that club sports have been doing quite well (on LI) for over the last month or two here. Confusing soccer and cross country are allowed I don't know if it is allowed to confuse soccer and cross country but here is the governor's announcement:
Governor Andrew M. Cuomo today announced lower-risk, school-sponsored sports in all regions may begin to practice and play beginning September 21st. However, travel for practice or play will be prohibited outside of the school's region or contiguous regions or counties until October 19th. For the fall sports season, lower- and moderate-risk sports include tennis, soccer, cross country, field hockey and swimming.
Higher-risk sports, including those with full physical contact, may begin to practice on September 21st but cannot play until a later date or December 31st. In accordance with the Department of Health's guidance for sports and recreation during the COVID-19 public health emergency, practices for higher-risk sports are limited to individual or group, no- to low-contact training. Higher-risk sports include football, wrestling, rugby, hockey and volleyball.
www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-cuomo-announces-lower-risk-school-sports-all-regions-may-begin-september-21
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Post by hchoops on Aug 25, 2020 8:49:36 GMT -5
I do not see what is unclear here, except the initial use of lower risk, then the use of lower and moderate risk. But it seems clear that soccer, cross country, etc are allowed starting Sept 21
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Aug 25, 2020 19:18:33 GMT -5
Football may practice onlyno volleyball(indoor) I imagine VERY LIMITED practices since DOH specifies no-to-low-contact in individual or group settings. In other words, we might as well "punt" the idea of HS football in NYS this year. Very sad for departing seniors.
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Post by timholycross on Aug 26, 2020 12:01:17 GMT -5
Will NY give football a shot in the spring if things are ok (not debating what "ok" means, just if they have a plan)?
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Post by hchoops on Aug 26, 2020 16:41:48 GMT -5
It remains to be seen
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Post by hchoops on Aug 26, 2020 20:04:09 GMT -5
Nassau County (Long Island)Superintendents Pulled a Pac12-Ivy and postponed all sports until 2021 Their hope is to fit three seasons into the rest of the school year after 1/21
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Aug 26, 2020 23:34:00 GMT -5
Will NY give football a shot in the spring if things are ok (not debating what "ok" means, just if they have a plan)? The difficult thing about trying this in HS is that at this level you have so many multi-sport athletes. Smaller schools might not even be able to field a football team in spring if competing for manpower with baseball, lacrosse and outdoor track.
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Post by hcpride on Aug 27, 2020 9:34:01 GMT -5
Will NY give football a shot in the spring if things are ok (not debating what "ok" means, just if they have a plan)? The difficult thing about trying this in HS is that at this level you have so many multi-sport athletes. Smaller schools might not even be able to field a football team in spring if competing for manpower with baseball, lacrosse and outdoor track. Yes, if many schools don't do football now they are not doing it this year IMHO.
Beyond that, in Nassau we'll see the spectacle of high school kids spending seven hours a day indoors in school (classes, labs, hallways and not social distancing) but forbidden to participate in outdoor high school fall sports such as cross country and soccer. At least that is the plan. A week ago I thought that absurdity was too illogical to happen. I was wrong. I guess Nassau County athletic association/district superintendents are 'erring on the safe side'.
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Post by alum on Aug 27, 2020 10:05:25 GMT -5
The difficult thing about trying this in HS is that at this level you have so many multi-sport athletes. Smaller schools might not even be able to field a football team in spring if competing for manpower with baseball, lacrosse and outdoor track. Yes, if many schools don't do football now they are not doing it this year IMHO.
Beyond that, in Nassau we'll see the spectacle of high school kids spending seven hours a day indoors in school (classes, labs, hallways and not social distancing) but forbidden to participate in outdoor high school fall sports such as cross country and soccer. At least that is the plan. A week ago I thought that absurdity was too illogical to happen. I was wrong. I guess Nassau County athletic association/district superintendents are 'erring on the safe side'.
I don't disagree that the final decision is wrong, but I can't call it absurd or illogical. It is easily explained. Administrators believe that the value of in person education is high enough to justify the risk of infection given the current level of the disease. Nevertheless, they are seeking to control every other factor they can to minimize the chance of disease spread in their efforts to keep the school open. I am guessing that there will be no school dances or choral groups, or plays and that clubs and student government will meet either remotely or in rooms where there can be substantial social distancing. If I were a principal or AD, I would be arguing that we could have soccer by playing a very localized schedule and doubling the number of buses to transport the kids to the games/meets. Cross country would be be similarly limited with local dual meets only with kids not taking off their masks until the starting line. Don't take my disagreement with your claim that your overlords are being illogical or absurd as a lack of sympathy with your situation. It would take a lot for me to not support a card carrying union worker like you.
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Post by hcpride on Aug 27, 2020 10:24:44 GMT -5
Yes, if many schools don't do football now they are not doing it this year IMHO.
Beyond that, in Nassau we'll see the spectacle of high school kids spending seven hours a day indoors in school (classes, labs, hallways and not social distancing) but forbidden to participate in outdoor high school fall sports such as cross country and soccer. At least that is the plan. A week ago I thought that absurdity was too illogical to happen. I was wrong. I guess Nassau County athletic association/district superintendents are 'erring on the safe side'.
I don't disagree that the final decision is wrong, but I can't call it absurd or illogical. It is easily explained. Administrators believe that the value of in person education is high enough to justify the risk of infection given the current level of the disease. Nevertheless, they are seeking to control every other factor they can to minimize the chance of disease spread in their efforts to keep the school open. I am guessing that there will be no school dances or choral groups, or plays and that clubs and student government will meet either remotely or in rooms where there can be substantial social distancing. If I were a principal or AD, I would be arguing that we could have soccer by playing a very localized schedule and doubling the number of buses to transport the kids to the games/meets. Cross country would be be similarly limited with local dual meets only with kids not taking off their masks until the starting line. Don't take my disagreement with your claim that your overlords are being illogical or absurd as a lack of sympathy with your situation. It would take a lot for me to not support a card carrying union worker like you. I don't disagree that it is easily explained. (Heck, I noted Nassau is 'erring on the safe side'.) And the Nassau soccer clubs can continue their travel schedules as they have been successfully doing the last month or two
(I guess I should have explained the somewhat wider context wherein Suffolk County is doing school and most fall outdoor sports and Nassau County is doing school and no fall outdoor sports. Or at least that is the plan. Nassau and Suffolk are the two Long Island counties and have similarly low positive test rates.)
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Post by Tom on Aug 27, 2020 11:02:18 GMT -5
Soccer is a more physical "contact" sport than people realize.
Many road races use chips on the runners and their time is calculated that way. Bring that to high school cross country and you could eliminate crowd at the starting line
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 27, 2020 11:11:56 GMT -5
They use chips at many NJ cross country races. It does make things a bit easier at the finish chute (no social distancing now, but it could be added with several chutes. They do not, however, take separate individual times at the start. Head to head competition is a key element of the sport and that would make it impossible. Also, separate runners at the start and they will still move within close distance over and over in a race.
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Post by hcpride on Aug 27, 2020 11:20:35 GMT -5
I was quite good at social distancing while a high school runner on Long Island. Especially halfway up Cardiac Hill. Not a very good runner - but a very safe runner.
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Post by alum on Aug 27, 2020 11:24:31 GMT -5
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Post by Tom on Aug 27, 2020 11:40:31 GMT -5
You are assuming fans will be allowed If only parents are allowed (a definite possibility) you could probably catch the second half after 92 gets the rare "fan" red card
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Post by alum on Aug 27, 2020 12:37:17 GMT -5
You are assuming fans will be allowed If only parents are allowed (a definite possibility) you could probably catch the second half after 92 gets the rare "fan" red card Although I would promise to stand by myself, wear a mask, and only yell at the ref when he misses his second offside call, I suspect that I might not be welcome.
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Post by timholycross on Aug 29, 2020 11:29:04 GMT -5
Mass. rules for high school soccer this year are horrendous. Only a semblance of what the game is supposed to be about.
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Post by hchoops on Aug 29, 2020 11:31:14 GMT -5
Mass. rules for high school soccer this year are horrendous. Only a semblance of what the game is supposed to be about. Examples, please
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Post by Crucis#1 on Aug 29, 2020 12:32:32 GMT -5
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Aug 30, 2020 17:56:50 GMT -5
Sorry if this counts as "discussing COVID policy" but here's one thing that I think gets lost among all these athletic guidelines:
The sum of individual contact within the context of playing or practicing a sport is a needle in a haystack compared to the total number of interactions that high school athletes will have with other humans throughout their daily lives off the field. Going to class, riding the school bus or carpooling with classmates, attending parties, romantic encounters, working their evening or weekend jobs, running errands with mom and dad, etc.
But I guess if this is the only way to allow sports to be played, we should refrain from complaints and just be grateful.
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Post by hchoops on Aug 30, 2020 18:26:27 GMT -5
Schools are responsible for school activities.
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Post by timholycross on Aug 30, 2020 21:33:19 GMT -5
As long as there's no thought about making any of these rule changes permanent.
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