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Post by hchoops on Aug 28, 2020 11:42:52 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 28, 2020 19:45:22 GMT -5
1000 points as a junior. Not too shabby.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 28, 2020 22:24:10 GMT -5
H's a very talented and very hard working player, a delight to watch
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 29, 2020 5:18:42 GMT -5
His senior leadership will be a big plus when play resumes (hopefully) some time this academic year.
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Post by timholycross on Aug 29, 2020 11:24:29 GMT -5
One (of few) silver linings is that ABs getting more time to rehab than he would have in a normal year.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Aug 30, 2020 17:45:16 GMT -5
Great thread title hoops. Looking forward to watching Butler's senior campaign digitally.
I am predicting a full PATRIOT LEAGUE basketball season this academic year. Anything more than that, or any possibility of butts in seats at Hart are bonuses IMO.
The COVID death totals and hospitalizations in the PL footprint are trending very low across the board -- let's hope they stay that way.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Aug 30, 2020 20:00:24 GMT -5
H's a very talented and very hard working player, a delight to watch AB is someone the entire HC community can be proud of. I hope has a great (and healthy) senior season.
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Post by hchoops on Sept 25, 2020 19:16:50 GMT -5
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Post by rickii on Sept 26, 2020 7:22:02 GMT -5
His senior leadership will be a big plus when play resumes (hopefully) some time this academic year. Respectfully, coming off a 3-26 season, I don’t think looking for Senior leadership is critical to the agenda of putting a program together from scratch. We’re not even sure if Butler can get/stay healthy.
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Post by hchoops on Sept 26, 2020 7:39:24 GMT -5
His senior leadership will be a big plus when play resumes (hopefully) some time this academic year. Respectfully, coming off a 3-26 season, I don’t think looking for Senior leadership is critical to the agenda of putting a program together from scratch. We’re not even sure if Butler can get/stay healthy. Leadership is important on every team in every sport, especially one coming off a 3-26, even more so on a team with 8 new players. It is not necessary to have it come from a senior, but Austin has shown leadership in the past and most likely will take the role this season. As Austin says in this interview, he is healthy. Staying healthy is a question no one can answer for any athlete in any sport.
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Post by rickii on Sept 26, 2020 7:56:35 GMT -5
I’ll admit to be foggy on the tangible value leadership he showed on a 3-26 club. Nobody did. As to health, you definitely worry about a player with a history of injury. You don’t worry about a kid who doesn’t....until he gets injured😜
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Post by efg72 on Sept 26, 2020 7:57:44 GMT -5
The best thing about having 8 new players is that group didn’t experience 3-26 last season nor do those new players own that record. The same would be true if they went 26-3 last year.
Naturally improvements in talent and coaching are required, but I agree leadership matters—chemistry and trust in each other are added benefits.
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Post by Xmassader on Sept 26, 2020 8:14:28 GMT -5
Austin had surgery to correct thoracic outlet syndrome, a condition (I think) in which a rib impinges on blood flow to the shoulder. Once the impingement was removed and full blood flow restored, the hope/expectation is that he will return to full health. So far, every off season report or comment I’ve heard seems to indicate that will be the case.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Sept 26, 2020 9:54:09 GMT -5
Some forget that as part of the 6 man soph group he was part of a team that went 9-4 in non conference play and was looking pretty good......until conference play started. Last year was a year like no other (course this year is shaping up as a once in a lifetime year as well, sadly). AB has street cred in my book.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Sept 26, 2020 10:13:01 GMT -5
I am still SMH after going 9-4 in the OOC play, two years ago, how the wheels came off during the PL season. After such a promising start, how the year ended in disappointment.
With the monumental changes in the roster, with new blood, hopefully there will be “a can do” attitude of achievement for the entire season of play.
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Post by possum on Sept 26, 2020 10:40:44 GMT -5
Nelson's future is pretty much tied to the success or failure of the incoming class. If I were him my first priority would be developing the younger players by giving them as much playing time as possible even if it's at the expense of a returning player.
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Post by hchoops on Sept 26, 2020 11:06:17 GMT -5
The new players will receive plenty of minutes.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 26, 2020 11:08:32 GMT -5
I think Nelson’s future is winning games . . . . now.
After his disastrous start, at least partly his fault and as head coach his total responsibility, he needs to win and show significant progress and he should not have the luxury of waiting 2-3 years when these incoming recruits “mature.”
Carmody turned out to be a major disappointment. I didn’t think his successor could possibly have lowered the bar on our expectations but Nelson did.
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 26, 2020 11:43:14 GMT -5
I’ll admit to be foggy on the tangible value leadership he showed on a 3-26 club. Nobody did. As to health, you definitely worry about a player with a history of injury. You don’t worry about a kid who doesn’t....until he gets injured😜 One tangible fact: he didn't leave.🙂
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Post by rickii on Sept 26, 2020 11:43:17 GMT -5
I think Nelson’s future is winning games . . . . now. After his disastrous start, at least partly his fault and as head coach his total responsibility, he needs to win and show significant progress and he should not have the luxury of waiting 2-3 years when these incoming recruits “mature.” Carmody turned out to be a major disappointment. I didn’t think his successor could possibly have lowered the bar on our expectations but Nelson did. I’m neutral on Nelson. Guy walked into a mess when the two best players bailed. Then it got worse when a good player he didn’t recruit and later maybe a better one he did both bailed. We can and did wonder if we’d have gone 3-26 had all 4 played together....I think not. Anyway, with likely at least 4 frosh starting....well, that’s not usually a recipe for immediate results.
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Post by rickii on Sept 26, 2020 11:45:15 GMT -5
I’ll admit to be foggy on the tangible value leadership he showed on a 3-26 club. Nobody did. As to health, you definitely worry about a player with a history of injury. You don’t worry about a kid who doesn’t....until he gets injured😜 One tangible fact: he didn't leave.🙂 LOL!
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 26, 2020 11:58:26 GMT -5
I think Nelson’s future is winning games . . . . now. After his disastrous start, at least partly his fault and as head coach his total responsibility, he needs to win and show significant progress and he should not have the luxury of waiting 2-3 years when these incoming recruits “mature.” Carmody turned out to be a major disappointment. I didn’t think his successor could possibly have lowered the bar on our expectations but Nelson did. He needs to show he can execute his fair share of wins in winnable games: come from behind wins, hold the lead wins, effort wins, end of game clock management/substitution/fouling wins, mid game defensive adjustment wins, and every other sports cliche win. We don't have to have to be over .500, but we should have depth unlike last year, there should be no more hangover from the Carmody system, and we should be able to move up to 8-10 wins out of 30 or so games.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 26, 2020 12:04:13 GMT -5
Well, as I posted weeks/months ago, OK, a coach loses a player or two. That's life.
Losing as many players as he did, I'll let the statisticians on the board opine but from my perspective saying that's not his fault is a cop-out. It's been years since I took statistics but in the deep recesses of my mind, it strains credulity to think this was coincidence or the stars aligning in just the wrong way. Can't shake the feeling he ran off some of these guys and/or simply didn't care enough to try to keep them. Holy Cross is not a place for "one and dones," our players are here for the long haul with very few exceptions.
So, I give him no "out-of-jail-free" card for this coming season. It's on him. Produce! Win!
I certainly respect those with opposing views.
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Post by hchoops on Sept 26, 2020 12:20:27 GMT -5
I think Nelson’s future is winning games . . . . now. After his disastrous start, at least partly his fault and as head coach his total responsibility, he needs to win and show significant progress and he should not have the luxury of waiting 2-3 years when these incoming recruits “mature.” Carmody turned out to be a major disappointment. I didn’t think his successor could possibly have lowered the bar on our expectations but Nelson did. I’m neutral on Nelson. Guy walked into a mess when the two best players bailed. Then it got worse when a good player he didn’t recruit and later maybe a better one he did both bailed. We can and did wonder if we’d have gone 3-26 had all 4 played together....I think not. Anyway, with likely at least 4 frosh starting....well, that’s not usually a recipe for immediate results. Unlikely that 4 newcomers will start with 3 returnees who started
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Post by trimster on Sept 26, 2020 12:28:48 GMT -5
The best thing about having 8 new players is that group didn’t experience 3-26 last season nor do those new players own that record. The same would be true if they went 26-3 last year. Naturally improvements in talent and coaching are required, but I agree leadership matters—chemistry and trust in each other are added benefits. Speaking of 8 new players, does anyone know Coulibaly's status? I thought he couldn't come to the US because HC is going with strictly on-line classes.
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