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Post by longsuffering on Sept 28, 2020 21:42:09 GMT -5
I can confirm from direct communication with Kyle that he remains a student at Holy Cross and his decision to leave the team was health related [He didn't specify if the thought of playing for Nelson made him ill! ]. I did not ask nor did he volunteer whether he remains on athletic scholarship. Can you confirm anything about Connor Niego?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 28, 2020 22:37:34 GMT -5
Phillip Berrigan was on the cover of Time with his brother Daniel. joe califano was on the cover in 1978 i will have to check for timothy leary- attended hc but not an alum If you have access to a list of cover appearances, perhaps check if U.S. Senator David I. Walsh, D-MA ever made it in the years leading up to WW2. He was a graduate of Holy Cross in the 1890s and was chairman of the powerful Naval Affairs committee before and during the war and a major thorn in the side of FDR because Walsh was an isolationist and head of the "America First Committee" right up until the bombs dropped on Pearl Harbor, and FDR was in favor of supporting England and the allies against Hitler before the US entered the war. So Walsh was a key figure in a major political story of the day and might have made the cover of Time. I checked 1930-1942 (Wikipedia has a list of all covers) and did not see him
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 28, 2020 22:42:48 GMT -5
If you have access to a list of cover appearances, perhaps check if U.S. Senator David I. Walsh, D-MA ever made it in the years leading up to WW2. He was a graduate of Holy Cross in the 1890s and was chairman of the powerful Naval Affairs committee before and during the war and a major thorn in the side of FDR because Walsh was an isolationist and head of the "America First Committee" right up until the bombs dropped on Pearl Harbor, and FDR was in favor of supporting England and the allies against Hitler before the US entered the war. So Walsh was a key figure in a major political story of the day and might have made the cover of Time. I checked 1930-1942 (Wikipedia has a list of all covers) and did not see him Thanks Ky
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Post by hc6774 on Sept 29, 2020 8:25:36 GMT -5
Can you define “rumor” ? ”some of us have heard “ ?? I am pretty sure we all know what a rumor is. If you are asking me what "some of us have heard" means, it means exactly what you would think. You clearly have your sources, and I have mine. I will repeat: this is not unprecedented at Holy Cross. Page 160, The Last Amateurs:"Willard did cut a couple of walk-ons and he cut Malik Waters, who had come back the previous season from major knee surgery but simply didn't have the quickness Willard though imperative to contribute to his system. Stowers was so busy with his schoolwork that he didn't really have a chance to brood about not being a basketball player anymore. Waters did. He sat around the dorm in his practice gear for days, clearly adrift and devastated." This is a pretty weak precedent... perhaps a better one would be Willard's senior year when he was the only senior scholarship player not cut by Jack Donahue... the other 2, both from Worcester, were not happy but went on to have distinguished careers in law and education
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Post by Tom on Sept 29, 2020 9:09:31 GMT -5
Not a huge deal, but weren't Waters and Stowers both kind of recruited/preferred walk on's like DJ Hart?
None of the upperclassmen were on scholarship as HC just started to re-institute scholarships
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Post by hc6774 on Sept 29, 2020 9:33:04 GMT -5
Not a huge deal, but weren't Waters and Stowers both kind of recruited/preferred walk on's like DJ Hart? None of the upperclassmen were on scholarship as HC just started to re-institute scholarships I think that's why Feinstein titled book The Last Amateurs
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Post by Tom on Sept 29, 2020 9:57:01 GMT -5
If we are assuming for a moment that Coach Nelson drove kids off the team and that Coach Willard set a precedent, I think it is a relevant difference that "driving" a non scholarship player off the team isn't affecting the kid financially. Driving a scholarship kid off a team takes away his free education. Driving a non scholarship player off the team, the kid still has the fine HC education at the same out of pocket cost.
Disclaimer: This is a philosophical exercise in the strength of an analogy/precedent. I have no clue what circumstances made any of last year's kids decide to leave
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Post by trimster on Sept 29, 2020 10:03:19 GMT -5
I think all of the speculation on why 9 players left the program last year is a bit of a waste of time. It happened. If a lot of kids continue to exit, we appear to have a problem. Let's see how things play out.
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Post by hceconhist on Sept 29, 2020 13:29:01 GMT -5
I disagree that the role of a scholarship makes that much of a difference regarding whether it is acceptable to cut/"run off" a player at our level. It obviously can make a night-and-day difference on the court (hello 2001-2003!), but part of the reason why were are in the PL is to maintain the right "perspective" on collegiate athletics. If it is wrong to "run off" a scholarship player, it is wrong to cut a non-scholarship rising senior whose spot on the roster is not costing you anything and could only help what turned out to be an injury-plagued 1999-2000 team.
For the record, I am agnostic on whether it is ethical to do so. As has been said by others, we should all agree that this cannot happen again any time soon.
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