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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 3, 2020 13:43:15 GMT -5
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Post by Tom on Sept 3, 2020 13:47:47 GMT -5
As always, sometimes you need to look past the stats. Right now, about 1% of the MA tests are positive, and per the article 0.1 % of college ones are positive.
My thought is that 100 percent of the college communities are probably getting tested - and tested a lot. Even people that are seemingly healthy and wouldn't get tested otherwise, are getting tested under college protocols. A decent percentage of the general population that is getting tested is doing so for a reason. Maybe symptoms, maybe exposure, whatever. If many to most of the people getting tested are doing so for a reason, then I think it's reasonable to assume that group will have a higher positive rate than the general population, If everyone who thinks they're sick and only some of the people who don't think they're sick gets tested, it only makes sense that the positive rate will be higher than the percentage of people actually infected. By forcing 100 percent of college students and staff to get tested, I would expect the positive rate to be closer to the percentage of infected people in the general population than the positive rate of those who choose to get tested.
I know I've stated this poorly, but in short, I think the college positive rate should be lower than the overall rate
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 3, 2020 14:55:18 GMT -5
Makes sense.
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Post by timholycross on Sept 3, 2020 19:51:28 GMT -5
Has any thought been given to Double Secret Probation as one of the penalties?
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Post by JRGNYR on Sept 3, 2020 20:17:12 GMT -5
Has any thought been given to Double Secret Probation as one of the penalties? Perhaps Dean Wormer can weigh in.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 3, 2020 20:41:36 GMT -5
I don't know whether such a surveil and snitch committee exists. Potentially, I suppose there might be some sort of committee if its 'jurisdiction' was The Edge, which as I understand it, is where HC has leased apartments to be occupied by HC students. Its quite possible there are one or two RAs at The Edge, and HC might consider The Edge an extension of the campus. At the moment HC represents the only COVID hotspot in MA among all MA colleges and universities. A very dubious distinction. The positive test rate for HC is about four percent. For the other 107 colleges and universities using Broad for testing, the positive test rate is 0.1 percent. ___________________ Earlier this week, JMU said it was closing down and told the students on-campus to go back home. dcist.com/story/20/09/01/va-james-madison-university-coronavirus-cases-increase-students-online-learning/
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Post by hcpride on Sept 4, 2020 5:29:51 GMT -5
As always, sometimes you need to look past the stats. Right now, about 1% of the MA tests are positive, and per the article 0.1 % of college ones are positive. ....I know I've stated this poorly, but in short, I think the college positive rate should be lower than the overall rate I cut this for simplicity and agree the twice-weekly and blanket and involuntary testing on some campuses should yield a lower positive test percentage than a small city wherein many of the folks (in theory) who get voluntarily tested think they might have the virus (symptoms or exposure).
Of course many (most?) campuses seem to be running a combo system wherein kids who have symptoms or think they were exposed are tested PLUS a significant surveillance sample is tested.
Holy Cross has very, very few kids on campus … but still administer Covid tests to some students (don't know if any are random and don't know if some are off campus students). “As of 3 p.m. Sept. 1, the College has conducted 598 COVID-19 tests. Those tests have resulted in two positive cases. We will continue to update these numbers every day.“ www.holycross.edu/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19-information
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 4, 2020 6:44:35 GMT -5
As always, sometimes you need to look past the stats. Right now, about 1% of the MA tests are positive, and per the article 0.1 % of college ones are positive. ....I know I've stated this poorly, but in short, I think the college positive rate should be lower than the overall rate I cut this for simplicity and agree the twice-weekly and blanket and involuntary testing on some campuses should yield a lower positive test percentage than a small city wherein many of the folks (in theory) who get voluntarily tested think they might have the virus (symptoms or exposure).
Of course many (most?) campuses seem to be running a combo system wherein kids who have symptoms or think they were exposed are tested PLUS a significant surveillance sample is tested.
Holy Cross has very, very few kids on campus … but still administer Covid tests to some students (don't know if any are random and don't know if some are off campus students). “As of 3 p.m. Sept. 1, the College has conducted 598 COVID-19 tests. Those tests have resulted in two positive cases. We will continue to update these numbers every day.“ www.holycross.edu/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19-information
I believe the testing of those at the off-campus party and contacts was done by Worcester public health. This would explain why the 21 positives are not included in the HC tally. HC intended to test every student living off-campus or on-campus, starting around move-in day. This would have been two weeks after the party.
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Post by Tom on Sept 4, 2020 7:31:22 GMT -5
I am also assuming that HC is only testing students who have access to campus. I doubt that they're testing kids who don't meet criteria to have access to campus but are in town because they're stuck with a 3rd party lease.
It would be interesting to know how the school deals with students who meet the criteria for campus access but have off campus apartments with room mates who don't have access to campus
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 4, 2020 14:54:23 GMT -5
I am also assuming that HC is only testing students who have access to campus. I doubt that they're testing kids who don't meet criteria to have access to campus but are in town because they're stuck with a 3rd party lease. It would be interesting to know how the school deals with students who meet the criteria for campus access but have off campus apartments with room mates who don't have access to campus The college's policy is to test twice weekly any student, living off-campus, who has permission to come on campus, The policy is silent on testing students who are living on-campus and are not coming on-campus. Which as you suggest, leaves open a rather large loophole of what happens if a group of students renting together, one or more of whom has permission to come on campus, and a member of the group, who doesn't have permission and is not being tested, becomes symptomatic, or tests positive? (I assume is the group member is asymptomatic, no one is the wiser until a contact of that individual becomes sick or tests positive.)
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 4, 2020 15:08:49 GMT -5
Eleven Northeastern students (apparently freshmen) were dismissed for the semester for gathering together in a single room. The students were staying at the Westin Hotel in Boston (Copley Square) which Northeastern has leased to house students living off-campus but allowed to come on-campus. (The Westin is a far cry from Wheeler, that's for sure.)
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 4, 2020 15:57:32 GMT -5
Eleven students in a dorm room in Wheeler would have risked a fire from spontaneous combustion.
Are the members of this student surveillance committee more like the Young Pioneers of the Soviet Union, or the Hitler Youth who were to watch neighbors and to report on any observed "misconduct?" That is how some of the posts on here make it sound.
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 4, 2020 17:12:06 GMT -5
It is interesting we all had fun evoking Soviet style excesses when the on campus RA function is tried, true and well established across Academia and I think RA's must have a commitment to "See something, say something" as opposed to "Snitches get stitches."
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Post by Crucis#1 on Sept 4, 2020 17:38:31 GMT -5
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Post by hcpride on Sept 6, 2020 8:59:31 GMT -5
University of Alabama reports a bit over 2,000 Covid-positive tests as of this morning. Unsurprisingly, no student deaths due to Covid. One University of Alabama student did drown in a boating accident this year.
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Post by alum on Sept 6, 2020 10:23:10 GMT -5
University of Alabama reports a bit over 2,000 Covid-positive tests as of this morning. Unsurprisingly, no student deaths due to Covid. One University of Alabama student did drown in a boating accident this year. If we all stipulate that the vast majority of young people will recover from Covid 19 without serious consequences, will you stipulate that some will have sequelae including myocarditis?
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Post by Crucis#1 on Sept 6, 2020 11:57:39 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 6, 2020 13:12:52 GMT -5
University of Alabama reports a bit over 2,000 Covid-positive tests as of this morning. Unsurprisingly, no student deaths due to Covid. One University of Alabama student did drown in a boating accident this year. If we all stipulate that the vast majority of young people will recover from Covid 19 without serious consequences, will you stipulate that some will have sequelae including myocarditis? In appreciation for learning a new vocabulary word, sequelae, I will stipulate that. A coach could make articles about Red Sox pitcher "E-Rod" losing (at least) this season due to myocarditis available to his team to help guide their behavioral decision making.
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Post by timholycross on Sept 6, 2020 15:15:49 GMT -5
73K for tuition for one year? "International experience" or something like that. One could take a hell of a trip around the world for less than that, I bet.
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Post by bison137 on Sept 6, 2020 15:40:10 GMT -5
73K for tuition for one year? "International experience" or something like that. One could take a hell of a trip around the world for less than that, I bet. that’s the cost for tuition, room, board, and fees. Not a lot different from Holy Cross and other northeastern LAC’s.
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Post by HC92 on Sept 6, 2020 15:47:28 GMT -5
Has any thought been given to Double Secret Probation as one of the penalties? Not sure about this, but I have heard reports of a letter from Fr. B. to off campus students warning them that fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 6, 2020 17:29:23 GMT -5
Has any thought been given to Double Secret Probation as one of the penalties? Not sure about this, but I have heard reports of a letter from Fr. B. to off campus students warning them that fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life.I knew I had heard that colorful expression before, but could not remember where. I was thinking it might have come from a movie but then it hit me where I heard it: in my 36th wedding anniversary dinner with my wife last year.
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 6, 2020 17:44:05 GMT -5
LOL...I could only connect it to Dean Wormer and Animal House. Silly me!
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 7, 2020 6:40:16 GMT -5
Dean W. is not resting this Labor Day.
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Post by Tom on Sept 8, 2020 7:58:04 GMT -5
Has any thought been given to Double Secret Probation as one of the penalties? Not sure about this, but I have heard reports of a letter from Fr. B. to off campus students warning them that fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life. I don't know. It's been working out pretty good for me
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