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Post by crusader99 on Sept 3, 2020 6:30:58 GMT -5
We are receiving reports that the College has established a student committee to monitor and report the activities of other students residing off-campus. We understand that these students are reporting to a group of administrators.
this is nuts and should be alarming to most fair minded adults. Are there standards, guidelines for the members of the monitoring committee. If so, how were they established, was there a community discussion and was there any advanced publication that the College would participate in this type of undertaking.
In the name of public health, the College is fully remote except to those who meet the requirements to physically access the campus. The community accepted these rules prior to reenrolling. The College cannot condone a group of students monitoring other students off campus and reporting activities to administrators who will then create a database and disciplinary action. If there is lawless behavior, any civilian can contact law enforcement to report the same. A proper investigation can be conducted and due process would attach to protect those who maybe wrongfully charged as well as other civil protections such as remedies under abuse of process and malicious prosecution laws.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Sept 3, 2020 6:38:02 GMT -5
Absolutely ridiculous, but not all that surprising from B.
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Post by crusader12 on Sept 3, 2020 6:45:48 GMT -5
This school has gone off the rails. If things don't change my children will not be attending.
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Post by crusader99 on Sept 3, 2020 6:54:27 GMT -5
Hopefully someone can speak with decision makers and put this to an immediate end.
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Post by hc6774 on Sept 3, 2020 6:56:33 GMT -5
Maybe the RA's are being repurposed? They probably don't have enough to do.
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Post by lou on Sept 3, 2020 7:19:05 GMT -5
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Post by newfieguy74 on Sept 3, 2020 7:32:05 GMT -5
Absolutely ridiculous, but not all that surprising from B. I think I would want to see the details before I judge this. A pandemic calls for unusual measures; unchecked transmission threatens an in-person spring semester along with all sports.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Sept 3, 2020 7:35:54 GMT -5
Going to be even bigger problems if/when members of this internal affairs rat squad drop dimes on other students and are outed.
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Post by crusader99 on Sept 3, 2020 7:37:43 GMT -5
Slippery slip indeed. Where is the limit.. how is off-campus defined. Civil liberties v. Spring sports. Never thought that would be a subject of a debate, let’s hope it does not get to that level.
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Post by gks on Sept 3, 2020 8:23:34 GMT -5
Did they send something home to parents?
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Post by crusader99 on Sept 3, 2020 8:37:24 GMT -5
Not yet
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 3, 2020 8:43:43 GMT -5
Since all HC students are adults, why would something. be sent home to their parents? After all, this is not high school or elementary school (despite some students behaving as if it were).
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Post by Tom on Sept 3, 2020 9:13:14 GMT -5
My guess is that when word gets out about who the students on the monitor and report committee are, those kids will have no problem social distancing for the rest of the pandemic.
I say "when" word gets out because these kids are probably not well trained in under cover work and the names will slip. Probably kids not on the committee will also be ostracized for being suspected of being on the committee.
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Post by CHC8485 on Sept 3, 2020 9:27:08 GMT -5
Without further details, if true, this is hardly in the spirit of mutual respect and community the college strives to build and so don't agree with the establishment of such a "committee."
But, that said, one parent "receiving reports" does not make it fact. Would not be the first time we've heard reports on this board that were close, but not exactly spot-on, to action that was actually taken.
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Post by hcpride on Sept 3, 2020 9:37:43 GMT -5
We are receiving reports that the College has established a student committee to monitor and report the activities of other students residing off-campus. We understand that these students are reporting to a group of administrators. Does off-campus include kids living in Boston in an apartment and attending (online) HC? In their hometown? In their parents' basement? Worcester only?
I'm shocked, shocked to hear that college kids go to parties (Without masks! Without social distancing! With beer!). I wonder if I should clue-in admin that one of the primary reasons kids go off campus is to do precisely that. Not me of course, I was in love with Worcester's natural beauty and cultural attractions in the 80's. But those other kids...
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 3, 2020 9:46:11 GMT -5
Create an "honor code" like the service academies had (have?). Instead of a committee of a few student who will be looked at as stool pigeons, put the responsibility on all students (and faculty and administrators and staff!!). In the good old days, the service academy honor codes required reporting violations not just of others but self-reporting any of your own violations. Penalties included suspension and expulsions. And, yes, students did self-report violations sometimes with extreme consequences.
Time for the students to learn a lesson in life that you will be held accountable for your actions or inactions.
P.S. For those who feel you can't and shouldn't even try to stop students from partying and maintaining social distancing and wearing masks, this is not the 1960's, 70's, 80's, 90's . . . . . This is a pandemic in 2020. "DRASTIC TIMES CALL FOR DRASTIC MEASURES"
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Post by hcpride on Sept 3, 2020 9:51:21 GMT -5
Given the number of high-schoolers we've got in my area having parties and smooching away, I remain shocked, shocked college-aged kids are doing the same.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 3, 2020 9:51:42 GMT -5
Going to be even bigger problems if/when members of this internal affairs rat squad drop dimes on other students and are outed. Fantastic wording—and I agree
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 3, 2020 10:04:21 GMT -5
I'm not endorsing an East German approach, but acknowledge the awkward position HC is in. If an HC student attends a gathering while at home and is one of several who have a positive test after contact tracing, he is not going to be identified as a Holy Cross student. If the same student is living on College St. but otherwise no different than if he was at home in Scranton, and he tests positive after a gathering, that will probably drag Holy Cross' name through the mud in the media.
Again, not a fan of secret police but do respect the RA position, so some type of effort to help reduce infection could be helpful if designed so all buy into it. The college might have to offer some time in the "Jo" or something to get voluntary buy in.
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Post by alum on Sept 3, 2020 10:12:36 GMT -5
Those kids who are home in their childhood bedrooms and not living the off campus life probably would prefer that their friends living it up in Worcester knock it off so that everyone can return to campus in January.
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Post by crusader99 on Sept 3, 2020 10:21:36 GMT -5
Create an "honor code" like the service academies had (have?). Instead of a committee of a few student who will be looked at as stool pigeons, put the responsibility on all students (and faculty and administrators and staff!!). In the good old days, the service academy honor codes required reporting violations not just of others but self-reporting any of your own violations. Penalties included suspension and expulsions. And, yes, students did self-report violations sometimes with extreme consequences. Time for the students to learn a lesson in life that you will be held accountable for your actions or inactions. P.S. For those who feel you can't and shouldn't even try to stop students from partying and maintaining social distancing and wearing masks, this is not the 1960's, 70's, 80's, 90's . . . . . This is a pandemic in 2020. "DRASTIC TIMES CALL FOR DRASTIC MEASURES" An Honor code is a great idea. Rules and behavioral expectations can be published upfront for all to see prior to students and families accepting a spot and paying $75k in tuition. The College should define the limits of its reach; which would include a definition of "off-campus". Having objective standards, a review process and opportunity to be heard by independent reviewers is consistent with the law. We all have to recognize that society has evolved since the 60s. What is "drastic" is subjective to some and not others. Complying with the law is the appropriate baseline and not some subjective standard applied by a 18-22 year old. Respectfully, an ad-hoc student committee is way above its abilities for this type of undertaking.
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Post by Tom on Sept 3, 2020 10:27:35 GMT -5
We are receiving reports that the College has established a student committee to monitor and report the activities of other students residing off-campus. We understand that these students are reporting to a group of administrators. Does off-campus include kids living in Boston in an apartment and attending (online) HC? In their hometown? In their parents' basement? Worcester only?
I'm shocked, shocked to hear that college kids go to parties (Without masks! Without social distancing! With beer!). I wonder if I should clue-in admin that one of the primary reasons kids go off campus is to do precisely that. Not me of course, I was in love with Worcester's natural beauty and cultural attractions in the 80's. But those other kids...
I would assume anyone with access to the campus. We have read here that anyone who will be granted access to the campus must agree to the code of conduct. Anyone who agrees to the code of conduct, agrees to the consequences contained in the code of conduct. In theory, I'm not sure this applies to a student living in Worcester with no access to the campus (and thus no agreement to the code of conduct). That being said, in practice if an undercover committee person wanders into a house on college hill because of loud music, probably everyone there will get reported
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Post by hcpride on Sept 3, 2020 10:45:15 GMT -5
Perhaps calling it “The Committee of Public Safety” would send a firm message to the college-age kids who want to grab a beer and mingle with friends once in a while.
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Post by Tom on Sept 3, 2020 10:49:25 GMT -5
Given the number of high-schoolers we've got in my area having parties and smooching away, I remain shocked, shocked college-aged kids are doing the same. Once again, we are talking about college kids or high schoolerers ignoring guidelines. Drinking alcohol under the age of 21 violates an actual law. I don't think kids who are knowingly breaking the law will hesitate at ignoring guidelines -------------------- Ignoring guidelines isn't just kids. Lots of people from MA are popping up to Maine. They are supposed to get a test or quarantine. I don't think people with summer homes in ME are getting tested every week or bringing all their food and other supplies up every weekend. They're buying groceries. They're buying gas. Someone I work with went to a ME hotel for a weekend. They were required to sign a form saying they complied. They lied on the form. Now RI is in the mix. With certain exceptions people coming to MA from RI need to test or quarantine. Lots of MA people take day trips to the RI beaches and I don't think sitting on a public beach counts as quarantine. People of all ages are taking these guidelines on an a la carte basis. Following only as they choose. Some are way more responsible than others. Some people treat it like it's over. Hospitals aren't over flowing. People are still dying, but not at the rates of April or May. Even Florida and Arizona aren't in the news like they were a month ago. Adherence to guidelines is all over the place by people from all walks of life. College students aren't going to be any different. And just like some adults, there will be some college kids who strictly follow every guideline
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 3, 2020 13:21:01 GMT -5
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