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Post by Tom on Sept 5, 2020 8:18:43 GMT -5
Bob Feller accomplished the over 100 level despite missing more than 3 1/2 Seasons at the peak of his career by serving in WWII He could have won well over 300 games I don't remember the exact quote, but Warren Spahn once said something to the effect of the one win he helped get by going to Europe was worth more than all the potential wins he could have gotten if he stayed home ----------------------- semi off topic. but thanks KY for an interesting trivia question |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Sept 5, 2020 9:08:17 GMT -5
Speaking of Warren Spahn . . . Spahn won 277 games after he turned thirty-years-old. Remarkable. Compare that to Koufax who I believe was basically retired by age 30 or 31 |
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Sept 5, 2020 9:44:49 GMT -5
Combine the Koufax career with the after 30 career of Spahn and you pretty much have Walter Johnson (probably a few more wins; thinking Koufax won 160-170).
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Post by hchoops on Sept 5, 2020 10:47:26 GMT -5
Koufax (only won 166 games I think) and Gibson are not correct-the other guesses are spot on 1= + 170 Clemens •••with an unreal 354-184 record 2= + 137 Randy Johnson 303-166 3= +130 the great Whitey Ford 236-106 4= +128 Greg Maddux 355-227 5= +119 Pedro Martinez with a remarkable 219-100 record 6= +118 Warren Spahn 363-245 7=+117 Mike Mussina 270-153 8= +116 Jim Palmer 268-152 9= +106 Tom Seaver 311-205 10=+104 Bob Feller 266-162 11= +103 Andy Pettite 256-153 12= +1-2 Tom Glavine 305-203 13= +101 Juan Marichal 243-142 Andy Pettite has, I believe, another distinction and it is a singular one. He is the only pitcher is baseball history to win 200+ games and never have a losing season. To accomplish that he had to win the last game he pitched and in winning it go 11-11 for his last season Filled in the last names above and you have nailed the whole list--great work and now back to Kentucky Oaks Day at Chirchill Downs |
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Post by hchoops on Sept 5, 2020 10:48:42 GMT -5
Koufax (only won 166 games I think) and Gibson are not correct-the other guesses are spot on 1= + 170 Clemens •••with an unreal 354-184 record 2= + 137 Randy Johnson 303-166 3= +130 the great Whitey Ford 236-106 4= +128 Greg Maddux 355-227 5= +119 Pedro Martinez with a remarkable 219-100 record 6= +118 Warren Spahn 363-245 7=+117 Mike Mussina 270-153 8= +116 Jim Palmer 268-152 9= +106 Tom Seaver 311-205 10=+104 Bob Feller 266-162 11= +103 Andy Pettite 256-153 12= +1-2 Tom Glavine 305-203 13= +101 Juan Marichal 243-142 I fixed Clemens |
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Post by CHC8485 on Sept 5, 2020 15:40:56 GMT -5
OK. As a 14 year old Mets fan who had just graduated 8th grade and was a paper boy delivering the NY Daily News ...
I really did not like Dick Young but read his columns most every morning before heading out on my route. I was really naive about what he was actually saying in those columns and where the information was coming from, so now I really don't like him. I recall a back page headline that I think ran sometime shortly after that trade. It showed a picture of a mostly empty Shea Stadium titled "Grant's Tomb." I really hated M. Donald!
So, that said, and without looking it up, the Mets received 4 players back from Cincinnati in exchange for Seaver. Name them and their position.
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 5, 2020 18:16:18 GMT -5
I believe the Mets got 4 players. Among them were pitcher Pat Zachary, minor leaguer Steve Henderson, infielder Doug Flynn, and another minor leaguer (?). They were never really accepted by the few fans that still came to Shea. MD Grant (one really cheap SOB) got them for less than he had been negotiating to pay Seaver.
The Dick Young article said Tom's "greedy" wife was the one pushing him to get more money in the 3 year contract he had been negotiating because she was jealous of the money Nolan Ryan was getting paid.
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Post by CHC8485 on Sept 5, 2020 19:26:14 GMT -5
Correct. As if you'd ever get something close in value in this type of situation, I remembered all 4 as I desperately hoped 1 of them would become something more than a journeyman. No such luck. Looked up their stats on Baseball Reference. Pat Zachary, P - In his second season with the Reds when traded, went (41-46) in 6 years with the Mets. Had a 10 year career. Steve Henderson, LF - Minor League Prospect when traded and played immediately for the Mets (0.287; OPS .783; 35 HR) in 4 seasons. Had a 12 year career. Doug Flynn, 2B - In his 3rd season with the Reds when traded, 0.234 Ave; .557 OPS in 5 seasons with the Mets. Had a 11 year career Final Player was Stormin' Dan Norman, a classic 4A player who rode the Tidewater Shuttle for 4 seasons playing in 139 games with the Mets and then was traded to Montreal where he played 1 season in the minors and 1 with the Expos. Did I mention I really hated M. Donald Grant?!!!   |
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Post by timholycross on Sept 5, 2020 22:26:49 GMT -5
Speaking of Warren Spahn . . . Spahn won 277 games after he turned thirty-years-old. Remarkable. Won 20 games 13 times, including 23 wins at age 42. Oddly (never knew this), in the "Spahn and Sain" year, 1948, for the pennant winning Braves, went 15-12. |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 6, 2020 23:22:14 GMT -5
Clayton Kershaw is at 174-75 for his career so I think there's a great chance that he will join this august group in his next start. He is just ahead of Whitey Ford for highest career W-L percentage for 20th century pitchers with more than 100 wins.
Kershaw is 32YO. Whitey was 32YO during his great 25-4 season for the famous 1961 Yankees and finished that season with a career 178-63 record. So looking only at W-L Whitey was ahead at that point. It will be great to follow Kershaw (and Sherzer , Greinke, Verlander et al) to see how long he can continue to dominate batters
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 6, 2020 23:31:53 GMT -5
Baseball loses something without fans, as do all the sports. It will be interesting to see what happens with the NFL.
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Post by hchoops on Sept 7, 2020 9:17:05 GMT -5
Clayton Kershaw is at 174-75 for his career so I think there's a great chance that he will join this august group in his next start. He is just ahead of Whitey Ford for highest career W-L percentage for 20th century pitchers with more than 100 wins. Kershaw is 32YO. Whitey was 32YO during his great 25-4 season for the famous 1961 Yankees and finished that season with a career 178-63 record. So looking only at W-L Whitey was ahead at that point. It will be great to follow Kershaw (and Sherzer , Greinke, Verlander et al) to see how long he can continue to dominate batters You left out the best of the bunch.—Jake deGrom[—1.69 ERA Yesterday—35 swings and misses May get the Cy Young award for three n a row Name the only two pitchers to accomplish this |
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 7, 2020 9:46:25 GMT -5
After the award was split between leagues, IIRC the two were in the National League - Greg Maddux and Randy Johnson.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Sept 7, 2020 11:26:24 GMT -5
You left out the best of the bunch.—Jake deGrom[—1.69 ERA 32 years old. 69 career wins.
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Post by hchoops on Sept 7, 2020 11:42:57 GMT -5
The Cy Young voters wisely undervalue parts of the game pitchers have little control over
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Post by Tom on Sept 8, 2020 13:52:37 GMT -5
The Cy Young voters wisely undervalue parts of the game pitchers have little control over Sometimes they fall in love with wins which can be a function of the lineup behind you. I remember one year Bob Welsh won the Cy Young award with an incredible 27 wins (and some big bats behind him), but had an ERA a full run higher than Roger Clemens. There are other examples |
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Post by hchoops on Sept 8, 2020 14:36:04 GMT -5
It has been a while since wins were overvalued, thank goodness.
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