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Post by hchoops on Sept 7, 2020 11:58:23 GMT -5
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Post by timholycross on Sept 7, 2020 22:12:11 GMT -5
Brock for Broglio was on the same level as Bagwell for Anderson.
At least, Milt Pappas (who was swapped for Frank Robinson), while not considered an elite pitcher; won over 200 games in his career.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Sept 8, 2020 7:26:24 GMT -5
Brock for Broglio was on the same level as Bagwell for Anderson. At least, Milt Pappas (who was swapped for Frank Robinson), while not considered an elite pitcher; won over 200 games in his career. Brock accumulated nearly 42 WAR after he was traded by the Cubs. Broglio, zero. One of the worst trades of all time, as was Bagwell-Anderson (Bagwell racked up 77 WAR, Anderson just 3)
The Reds got Pappas, Dick Simpson, and Jack Baldschun in the Robinson deal. Pappas and Simpson were traded separately, in turn, for Clay Carroll and Pedro Borbon, two key members of the Big Red Machine bullpen of the 1970s, so Robinson-Pappas was far from a total disaster for Cincinnati. Pappas, by the way, won half of his career total after departing the Orioles.
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Post by hchoops on Sept 8, 2020 7:43:11 GMT -5
The Mets’ Seaver and Nolan Ryan trades are also up there with the worst.
and the Mets doubled their atrocity by not protecting Seaver after he returned.
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Post by Tom on Sept 8, 2020 10:47:16 GMT -5
Always good to read Crossports. I did not know he played for the Cubs. I always thought he was a career Cardinal
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Post by timholycross on Sept 8, 2020 11:18:06 GMT -5
His one notable feat as a Cub.
"On June 17, 1962, in the first inning of the first game of a doubleheader, Brock, after two walks and a Ron Santo triple, smacked an Al Jackson pitch into the right-center field bleachers, his seventh of the season. In nearly fifty years of baseball games in New York, no one had ever reached that area (Joe Adcock, playing for the Milwaukee Braves, had hit one to the left-center field bleachers on April 29, 1953)."
Saw something where this inspired Cub management to try and make him a power hitter, which he really wasn't. St. Louis, which opened a huge ballpark in 1966, and was tailoring its club for speed, was perfect for him.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Sept 8, 2020 11:50:16 GMT -5
The great Christy Mathewson was involved in two lopsided trades between the Giants and Reds.
After an inauspicious debut with the Giants in 1900, Mathewson was sent to the minors, left unprotected, and picked up by the Reds. Cincinnati had second thoughts, and almost immediately sold him back to the Giants for a great pitcher named Amos Rusie, who had won 246 games since 1889, but had been sidelined with shoulder problems for a couple years. Rusie pitched three games for the Reds in 1901, before hanging it up for good - Mathewson went on to rack up 100 WAR and 373 wins on his way to the Hall of Fame (Rusie is there, too, ironically).
By 1916, Mathewson was finished, and the Giants traded him back to the Reds (for a couple of utility players), where he pitched a single game and then retired. To sweeten the deal, New York threw in a 23-year-old outfielder named Edd Roush, who was hitting just .188 at the time. Roush went on to accumulate another 40+ WAR, hit .300+ twelve times, and - wait for it - punched his ticket to the Hall.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 8, 2020 15:56:46 GMT -5
Bucknell Bison, it should be noted
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