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Post by rgs318 on Oct 27, 2020 12:17:02 GMT -5
Who brought the lawsuit?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 27, 2020 12:47:45 GMT -5
How dumb is the administration at the school to not take Title IX into account, to not know such a lawsuit would be coming?
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Oct 30, 2020 16:49:51 GMT -5
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Post by trimster on Oct 30, 2020 17:16:34 GMT -5
If W&M became PL members, I think it would lead to a northern expansion so you could have a north and south split to reduce travel. Seven of eleven southern schools creates a lot of travel for schools like HC, BU and Colgate. Candidates that come to mind are Fairfield, Fordham and Northeastern.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 30, 2020 17:23:33 GMT -5
Interesting 'news' in that reporting in a Richmond newspaper. When the PL went back to scollies, there was an effort to have W&M, Richmond, and Villanova join the PL for football, with W&M joining for all sports. From the article,
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Post by purplehaze on Oct 30, 2020 17:28:58 GMT -5
The new reality of funding athletics in these covid times would point toward this move making sense for W&M - they would be the southern most school so comparative travel costs (vs CAA) have to be analyzed
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 30, 2020 17:51:04 GMT -5
Really? W&M going to the PL has about as much chance as HC getting into the IL. Not going to happen in either case.
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Post by trimster on Oct 30, 2020 18:06:25 GMT -5
Really? W&M going to the PL has about as much chance as HC getting into the IL. Not going to happen in either case. Due to ..... geography?
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Oct 30, 2020 18:21:37 GMT -5
Due to... how bottom feeder the PL is and everyone knows it- including the yet to be named new AD whoever it may be.
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Post by Tom on Oct 30, 2020 21:09:41 GMT -5
Reads like a rumor reported as news.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 30, 2020 21:57:41 GMT -5
W&M, Richmond and Villanova to the PL did not 'come close to happening'.
Richmond -- In 2002/2003, UR had a really rough stretch in football. They had just moved from CAA to A-10 in basketball at the time so there was talk that they would go non-scholarship in football and look at PL or Pioneer membership. Alum and boosters mutinied, and threatened to stop donating. 5 years later, Richmond had 2 I-AA national titles and hasn't looked back.
W&M -- original Colonial League member but left before a down of football was played due to the league's post-season ban and decision to eliminate scholarships. Put it this way, if W&M decided today that they wanted to join the Patriot League, their application for membership would be approved by the end of brunch tomorrow.
Villanova -- With Talley now retired, it's possible 'Nova could consider the PL in football. Would probably take a sustained period of futility for that conversation to come up.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Oct 30, 2020 22:46:06 GMT -5
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 31, 2020 7:32:55 GMT -5
Thanks -- I thought they won in 2005 and 2008 for some reason. You are right. App State won in '05, '06 and '07.
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Post by trimster on Oct 31, 2020 8:14:36 GMT -5
Really? W&M going to the PL has about as much chance as HC getting into the IL. Not going to happen in either case. I forgot they are a public university.
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Post by trimster on Oct 31, 2020 8:28:15 GMT -5
Really? W&M going to the PL has about as much chance as HC getting into the IL. Not going to happen in either case. I forgot they are a public university. An Ivy League insider ranked W&M atop his list of 8 "Public Ivies." Bill & Mary is the 2nd oldest college in the country behind Harvard.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 31, 2020 10:24:29 GMT -5
If I recall St. John's College in Annapolis is the third oldest college. It's also a school that does not award grades.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 31, 2020 11:42:54 GMT -5
trimster, it's not that the PL wouldn't want W&M (they would), but don't believe they have any interest in joining essentially a "yankee" (Northern) league made up of private colleges and universities (Army & Navy excepted). They would also be the furthest southern school with all road trips heading in one direction.
Going for the PL is that W&M also ain't getting into the IL any more than HC is and the PL is unquestionably the next "highest" academic league in the country. So, if they decide they want to add to their academic prestige (which they have no reason to want to as it is already up there), they might consider it. Two of my cousin's sons graduated from W&M rather than going to the traditional family trip to HC. Been to Williamsburg multiple times on business trips staying at a hotel across from their campus. One of my business associates was the younger brother of Terry Driscoll (both BC grads) when Terry was long-time AD at W&M and the 2 brothers got together for golf after business was over.
More gut than head but I just don't see them wanting to join the PL for any number of reasons. Too much to give up and not enough benefit for them.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Oct 31, 2020 13:24:27 GMT -5
As mentioned in the past, the 5th year non medical redshirt has been cited as an issue regarding W&M joining the Patriot League.
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Post by trimster on Oct 31, 2020 13:26:11 GMT -5
trimster, it's not that the PL wouldn't want W&M (they would), but don't believe they have any interest in joining essentially a "yankee" (Northern) league made up of private colleges and universities (Army & Navy excepted). They would also be the furthest southern school with all road trips heading in one direction. Going for the PL is that W&M also ain't getting into the IL any more than HC is and the PL is unquestionably the next "highest" academic league in the country. So, if they decide they want to add to their academic prestige (which they have no reason to want to as it is already up there), they might consider it. Two of my cousin's sons graduated from W&M rather than going to the traditional family trip to HC. Been to Williamsburg multiple times on business trips staying at a hotel across from their campus. One of my business associates was the younger brother of Terry Driscoll (both BC grads) when Terry was long-time AD at W&M and the 2 brothers got together for golf after business was over. More gut than head but I just don't see them wanting to join the PL for any number of reasons. Too much to give up and not enough benefit for them. I suspect your gut is right. I wouldn't mind W&M and Richmond joining the PL but I doubt it will ever happen.
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Post by bison137 on Oct 31, 2020 15:03:10 GMT -5
As mentioned in the past, the 5th year non medical redshirt has been cited as an issue regarding W&M joining the Patriot League. Yes, that is a HUGE issue. W&M redshirts most of their players. For example, they only have two seniors on the roster who never redshirted (one a punter). And last season they sat 13 of their incoming frosh as redshirts - and a number of the others in that class will redshirt this year..
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 31, 2020 23:53:18 GMT -5
If every college was forced by NCAA regulation to play by the same rule of four continuous years of eligibility it would be unfair to some students who get injured, but it would be more financially efficient for every college. Since most colleges lose money on Athletics, I guess it's a matter of the Football Industrial Complex in the power conferences winning the day and other conferences following suit in an effort to keep up.
If the Covid recession is long and deep, maybe some sensible reforms will happen that favor the large number of non-power conference schools and actually help the power conferences reel in excesses, too.
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Post by trimster on Nov 1, 2020 7:29:01 GMT -5
Sadly, I don't see much coming in the way of changes to reign in what goes on with the big boys. Look at what happened with redshirting a few years ago. You can now play 3 or 4 games in a redshirt year and not use any eligibility. I am not talking about a medical related issue here, just your typical redshirt year. How crazy is that.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 1, 2020 7:33:57 GMT -5
How crazy? Very, IMHO! They are operating in a different world, and PL policies are letting them do it by denying our members era the chance to compete on a level playing field. Of course, this is not the only way that is done...sadly.
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Post by Tom on Nov 2, 2020 9:57:49 GMT -5
In this crazy world with nothing better to talk about than improbable hypotheticals, here's a random thought: For non football sports, adding southernmost W&M could actually decrease travel.
As mentioned elsewhere, if this somehow did happen, the Patriot League would probably add another northern school to keep the number even (see Loyola/BU) That would make 12. Most conferences, when they get to that magic number, go to two divisions of 6. Home and home in your own division and only playing the other division once. Instead of the basketball teams heading south of the Mason-Dixon line three times a year, they would only go twice.
Not likely, if for no other reason than Army and Navy kind of like their home and homes. But, hey - At some point this week, I am supposed to get my first look at the hoops freshmen in some sort of exhibition against Assumption, but this is 2020, so that's not happening and my mind is wandering to fill the void
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Post by trimster on Nov 2, 2020 11:00:40 GMT -5
In this crazy world with nothing better to talk about than improbable hypotheticals, here's a random thought: For non football sports, adding southernmost W&M could actually decrease travel. As mentioned elsewhere, if this somehow did happen, the Patriot League would probably add another northern school to keep the number even (see Loyola/BU) That would make 12. Most conferences, when they get to that magic number, go to two divisions of 6. Home and home in your own division and only playing the other division once. Instead of the basketball teams heading south of the Mason-Dixon line three times a year, they would only go twice. Not likely, if for no other reason than Army and Navy kind of like their home and homes. But, hey - At some point this week, I am supposed to get my first look at the hoops freshmen in some sort of exhibition against Assumption, but this is 2020, so that's not happening anstill play each other twice in the regular seasond my mind is wandering to fill the void I like your thinking. Why stop at 12. You would have 7 obvious southern and 4 obvious northern schools. I would try to add 3 northern schools from the likes of Northeastern, Fordham, Fairfield, UVM, Marist, Bryant. As far as Army and Navy, who is to say they can't play each other twice in a season? Only one game, designated before the season starts, would count as a league game. Same applies to anyone else who wants to play a school twice from the other division like HC and Bucknell. From an HC standpoint, it reduces travel and possibly brings some old rivals into the mix.
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